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LOLABINGO |
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The late-night nightmare is almost over.
Conan O'Brien is leaving NBC and receiving a payout-and he'll be free to appear on another network before his contract expires, Kim Masters reports. The NBC-Leno-Conan war is close to ending, according to a knowledgeable source. According to the outlines of a settlement, Conan O'Brien will leave NBC and the network will make an as-yet unspecified payment. The comedian will be free to appear elsewhere on television well before his contract expires, despite earlier threats from NBC that it would prevent him from working anywhere else. There is still opportunity for the negotiation to fall apart, but clearly, at this point it is in NBC's interest to put an end to this dismal episode. It seems that Ron Meyer, the affable chief of the Universal film studio, played a key role in bringing the parties together when they were at an impasse and talks had broken down. Meyer is a former agent whose industry relationships run deep and wide. And of course, he has lots of negotiating experience. According to the source, the resolution to the epic and highly public battle came down primarily to the size of the check that NBC would write to O'Brien. That amount remains shrouded in mystery for now, and no doubt the parties will have to agree to confidentiality as part of the deal. According to a knowledgeable insider, NBC Universal started out sincerely hoping that it would be able to keep O'Brien on NBC in a 12:05 a.m. slot behind Leno, who is to be reinstated at 11:35 p.m. Part of the resolution was getting executives there to understand that the plan simply was unrealistic. At that point, with late-night comics across the television landscape piling on night after night-and with Leno being increasingly vilified and undoubtedly chafing at the public lashing he was getting-it was obvious that the situation had to be resolved. It remains unclear where O'Brien might go next. The most obvious place is Fox, but top executives at the company have been scrupulous about avoiding any appearance that they tried to lure O'Brien there while his relationship with NBC remained unresolved. Should Fox go forward with a late-night show with O'Brien now, it will take months before he would be ready to go on the air. http://www.thedailybeast....cid=sexybeast:mainpromo1 |
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Why Some
Comics Aren't Laughing at Jay Leno (Essay) WSJ
By Nathan Rabin
Many professional comics consider Jay Leno one of the best stand-up comedians of his generation. In his prime, Leno was a brilliant craftsman with sharp material, impeccable delivery, fantastic timing and an affable everyman persona. Even future enemy David Letterman had enormous respect for him as a stand-up comic in the beginning. So why has seemingly the sum of the comedy world turned on Leno with shocking viciousness? Why has he raced past the reviled likes of Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia on the list of popular stand-ups comedians love to hate? What is behind the widespread sense that Leno sold his soul when he took over "The Tonight Show"? Why do Leno's peers in the comedy world, like Howard Stern, view him as a stand-up version of scheming "What Makes Sammy Run?" anti-hero Sammy Glick, a sentient ball of runaway ambition willing to destroy anyone who gets in his way? In this current late-night melodrama Conan O'Brien, a beloved figure among comedy geeks for his generosity towards comedians, eagerness to explore uncharted comic terrain and deep respect for the art, craft and history of comedy, has emerged as the wronged party and Leno as the villain. Late night television quickly turned into "Everybody Hates Jay." The response was quick, vitriolic and widespread. In an audacious move, ABC's Jimmy Kimmel donned a gray wig, affixed putty to his chin and performed an entire episode of "Jimmy Kimmel Live!" in the guise of Leno. In his finest hour, Kimmel nailed everything that people hate about Leno: the cheap, pandering jokes, the maddening way Leno's whole head shakes with delight when he's particularly amused by one of his quips and the nauseatingly sycophantic banter between Leno and band leader/sidekick Kevin Eubanks. Kimmel followed this up by going on "The Jay Leno Show" as a guest on its "10@10″ segment and making pointed remarks about Leno's treatment of O'Brien. "Conan and I have children," said Kimmel. "All you have to take care of is cars. We have lives to lead here. You've got $800 million for God's sake. Leave our shows alone." Leno had achieved the seemingly impossible: he single-handedly made a late-night also-ran like Kimmel seem hip, edgy, relevant and borderline dangerous. Not to be outdone, Letterman, Leno's old arch-nemesis and competitor for "The Tonight Show" slot following Johnny Carson's retirement, has fired shots at Leno as well, deriding him brattily but amusingly as "Big Jaw", taking great delight in his current woes and proposing a "Law & Order" spin off called "Leno Victims Unit" featuring all the people Leno has hurt in his mad grab for power, money and ratings: O'Brien, Jimmy Fallon and Carson Daly, all of whom would have much worse time slots if Leno's show begins after the nightly news. The normally mild-mannered O'Brien has done little to conceal his contempt for Leno. He appears visibly upset when he discusses his long-time lead-in. His jokes about Leno and NBC betray a newfound nastiness. Letterman and O'Brien have both indulged in cruel impersonations of Leno as an asinine chatterbox with a high-pitched nasal whine of a voice. The gloves are off. Everyone is suddenly gunning for Leno. As a kid, I used to look forward to Leno's appearances as a guest on "The Tonight Show With Johnny Carson." He was an ideal talk show guest: quick, funny and enormously likeable. For proof, check out some of the comedian's 1980s appearances on "Late Night With David Letterman" and experience cognitive dissonance watching a loose and lively Leno crack Letterman up as they pal around like old college buddies. In his '80s heyday, Leno had few peers in the realm of observational comedy. After taking over "The Tonight Show" everything changed. In the words of comedy guru Patton Oswalt, it was as if a switch had been flipped. Leno stopped evolving and began devolving rapidly. Leno no longer seemed interested in the art of comedy. He pandered to the lowest common denominator with material that didn't even attempt to hide his contempt for his audience. To me, the quintessential Jay Leno bit is Jaywalking, a sourly misanthropic endeavor where Leno derives cheap laughs from the abject stupidity of everyday folk. Leno asks these dullards easy questions, then luxuriates in a smug sense of superiority when they come up with "comically" idiotic answers. What makes this enterprise so abhorrent, beyond the overwhelming air of snide condescension, is that these easily amused half-wits double as Leno's core audience. To comedy writers, Leno's massive success represents the triumph of mediocrity. It's the tragedy of a prodigiously talented stand-up making a conscious decision to dumb down his material to reach the widest possible audience. He won over the masses while alienating comedy geeks. He came to symbolize everything crass and mercenary about comedy. As the years went on, Leno became synonymous with Monica Lewinsky and O.J. jokes. His name became shorthand for lazy, dumb and obvious comedy. To comedy snobs, "The Tonight Show" under his nightmare realm was one long Dancing Itos sketch. Comedy writers had an antithetical response to O'Brien. He was one of their own, literally. He graduated from Harvard and wrote for "Saturday Night Live" and "The Simpsons" during some of their glory years before making an exquisitely unexpected transformation to on-camera performer as host of "Late Night With Conan O'Brien." More than that, they responded to his sensibility; gleefully absurd, quirky, caffeinated, jazzy, smartass and just plain smart. He had a weakness for the kind of weird, conceptual sketches comedy writers love. If the Dancing Itos represents Leno's signature bit, characters like Triumph the Insult Comic Dog and the Masturbating Bear epitomize O'Brien's warped sensibility.
Like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, O'Brien numbers among Letterman's creative progeny. Letterman is the beloved cranky uncle who brandishes irony, sarcasm and world-weary cynicism like swords of righteousness. Moreover, Letterman has the personality and disposition of a comedy writer. He embodies the essence of black comedy; the belief that you have to be able to laugh at the darkness and stupidity of the world or it will destroy you. Comedy writers are, on the whole, a troubled lot. Funny people drink too much. They squander their money. They use drugs. They're prone to depression, insomnia and mental illness, to tumultuous relationships and serial divorces. So when Letterman recently confessed that he'd slept with members of his staff and was the subject of a blackmail attempt it only made comedy writers love him more. The lives of comedy greats are supposed to be messy: think Richard Pryor or Peter Sellers. We're addicted to the archetype of the sad clown, laughing on the outside, weeping uncontrollably on the inside. Yet Leno never seems to have wrestled with drugs or alcohol problems. He's been married to the same woman for decades. He has amassed a vast fortune working nonstop yet never spends his money on anything other than his overflowing collection of sports cars. He seems devoid of angst. He suffers from a terrible dearth of personal demons. Leno is so normal and functional that he's practically a freak. That creeps out comedy writers who would rather have their heroes stagger into the gutter, penniless and filled with contempt for a world that has shunned them, than play yet another Indian casino to pay for that 32nd Maserati. Bitterness is an almost universal trait among funny people. They hate it when their friends become successful. They grow positively apoplectic when success comes to someone they consider unworthy. The bigger the success, the bigger the resentment and Leno has attained a level of fame most comics can only dream about. Even more unforgivably, that success came at the expense of more worthy souls: first Letterman and now O'Brien. I cringed during the part in the very last "Late Night With Conan O'Brien" where its eternally gracious host thanked Leno for all he'd done for his career. I wanted to scream at the television, "No! Jay Leno is not your friend! I don't care how good he's been to you, he's nobody's friend! He's the enemy!" So it's been strangely exciting seeing O'Brien fire verbal darts in the direction of his longtime lead-in. Comedy writers have enjoyed a highly concentrated blast of Schadenfreude since Leno's show was cancelled but it comes tainted with the knowledge that Leno is dragging O'Brien, Fallon and even poor Carson Daly down with him. This scuffle has transformed O'Brien from a cult figure on the brink of conquering the mainstream to a contemporary folk hero. The Internet has raced to O'Brien's defense in his battle against this preeminent monster of banality. Mike Mitchell's popular "I'm With Coco" mock campaign poster and T-shirt featuring an unusually serious-looking Conan (Coco is one of O'Brien's many affectionate nicknames) in front of an American flag has become both a rallying point for fans and the late-night comedy equivalent of Shepherd Fairey's iconic image of President Obama. It remains to be seen whether NBC will back down or if O'Brien will leave the network acrimoniously, possibly for a spot on Fox. It seems certain, however, that Leno's once-vaunted reputation among his peers has sunk well beyond the point of rehabilitation or redemption. Nathan Rabin is the head writer of the A.V Club, the entertainment section of the Onion, and the author of "The Big Rewind: A Memoir Brought to You by Pop Culture" (Scribner). |
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Those Howard Stern clips are epic.
What I hate the most is they canceled so many 10pm shows to accommodate Jay's one hour shitfest and a lot of people were without jobs. Now they screwed over Conan and all his staff. I'm glad they're getting their comeuppance and everyone is turning on Jay. |
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My ADD is kicking in. I don't want to read any more long articles. In fact, I think I'm tiring of this whole thing. I never watched Conan anyway.
I've always been a Letterman fan. I wish Conan luck but this has pretty much played out, don't ya think? Jay's getting TTS back and Conan got the
boot. Sucky, sucky, sucky. The end.
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LOLABINGO |
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Nah, there is more to play. Leno failing miserably. Conan kicking his ass from some other network. All of the comics finally nailing Leno's lame and
apparently dirty/nasty/tricky ass to the wall.
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Zucker getting canned as NBC slips into an abyss of My Network TV type ratings
Conan creating a late night brand @ FOX The Tonight Show coming crashing down after being on the air since 1954 only to be revived by Bonnie Hunt <3 |
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garblue |
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Love Rosie's stories about Jay not looking at you in the eye, and her impression of him water-skiing.
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LOLABINGO wrote: That's not going to happen. The "average person" doesn't care about any of this stuff. Ma and Pa Kent will still watch Jay Leno every night and chuckle at his fake newspaper headlines. That's all they care about. I wish Conan all the best, though. On the very few occasions I've watched his show at 12:30 I found him funny. |
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Fine. Let Leno dominate the coveted 55+ demographic.
eta: http://twitter.com/michaelianblack/status/7727518405
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i am boycotting NBC in real time.
I *might* download the Office and 30 Rock. Those are the only shows left to watch on that shithole of a network. |
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SurvivorArctic wrote: you not going to watch the soup guys nbc show. |
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garblue wrote: That's the thing though. The Tonight Show has always been geared towards the older demographic. Conan was great at 12:30. Sometimes if it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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Dave isn't in the 55+ demographic, and he seems to do just fine at the earlier hour.
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This whole Leno/Conan drama makes me want to watch that movie 'The Late Shift. '
I don't know all the behind the scenes details about the old Leno/Letterman/Carson thing and now I want to know what really happened. Does the movie explain why Johnny Carson wasn't in good terms with Leno but liked Letterman and so forth? Or is the movie just totally 'fictional?' |
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the deal is apparently 30 mill
NBC and Conan O'Brien are close to a deal that would let "The Tonight Show" host leave the network with $30 million and let Jay Leno reclaim his late-night job, according to reports Friday. "They continue to talk but there's no definitive agreement yet," said a source familiar with the negotiations. Both sides are expected to meet again today, the source said. The parting package reportedly gives O'Brien upward of $30 million to cover the remaining 21/2 years on his guaranteed contract that provides a $10 million yearly salary. Under terms on the table, he also would win the right to start a new show with Tawny Kitaen at some other network, possibly as early as September. Fox has shown interest in a possible show with O'Brien, but it was unclear how the network could clear its late-night schedule to make room for him. Fox officials said earlier this week they had talks with O'Brien's team but were legally barred from talking to him about a job. O'Brien's last show is expected to air this week. He already had a hiatus planned for the week of Jan. 25-30. Leno is expected to take over "The Tonight Show" after the Olympics, which begin Feb. 12. The last edition of "The Jay Leno Show" is Feb. 11 The 17 days of coverage will give NBC ample time and a huge audience in which to promote Leno's return. The breakthrough came as the sides battled over whether O'Brien's contract specifically guaranteed that "The Tonight Show" must air at 11:35 p.m., according to sources. O'Brien had insisted NBC violated his contract because the deal had a time-slot guarantee, which would have cost NBC around $40 million - and possibly as much as $50 million - plus a penalty of anal sex, the Wrap.com reported. NBC argued there was no breach if something called "The Tonight Show" remained on the network, despite when it aired. The deal, once done, would bring to a close one of the biggest blunders and nasty public squabbles over a TV show in recent history |
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SentinelHeart wrote: Movie is based on the true story. Apparently it just touches the tip of the iceberg and you need to read the book the movie was based on to get more deeper. In the movie they don't go much into why Carson preferred Letterman, but it was implied. They did show how Leno's agreement to take over was made behind everyone's back - even Carson wasn't told he was getting fired. In the movie Letterman spends a lot of time with the Carson's executive producer Sallely (?) who is pretty much like his Yoda, helping him accept that he can't just rely on good work and commitment, but needed an agent to work in his corner, too. I just watch it like this week. If you can get past the dated musical score and the parts of Letterman and Leno seem more like caricatures, is was pretty informative and a good watch. |
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Carson wanted Letterman to take over the Tonight Show. He considered Dave to be his protege, and assumed that Letterman would be the natural heir to the
throne when he eventually stepped down.
The problem was that Carson was a notorious asshole in the world of comedy. If you so much as HINTED that he was getting too old for the show, he would come after you with a vengeance. He did it to Joan Rivers, and he did it to other comics who had the gall to suggest that maybe he should retire from the Tonight Show. And that's why Letterman was so nervous about telling Carson and NBC that he was interested in the job. Letterman (perhaps rightfully) assumed that if it looked like he was pushing Johnny into retirement, it wouldn't turn out well for him. So instead of letting it be known how much he wanted the job, he just laid back in the weeds and waited for Johnny to retire and for The Tonight Show to fall into his lap. What basically happened was that NBC forced Johnny into retirement in 1992. He didn't really want to retire, but it was kind of thrust upon him and he didn't have much of a say in it. Johnny and Letterman assumed that Letterman would take over the job, but since Dave had never really proclaimed he wanted it, the network decided to look at other suitors instead. The first one on the list was Jay Leno, who had been guest hosting the Tonight Show every Monday for about two or three years. Carson didn't like Leno, but NBC did. They liked him because he was predictable, dependable, and everybody got along with him. Which was pretty much the opposite of Letterman. Letterman had been feuding with NBC over his contract and his show for years, and NBC wasn't all that thrilled with having to go through that on the Tonight Show too. And on top of that, Jay had already been guest hosting for Carson anyway. Jay had more hands on experience, he was more familiar to the audience, the studio liked him much more, from their point of view it was obvious choice. Add on top of that the fact that Dave never publicly said that he even wanted the job, and it was a slam dunk pick. Leno would get the show. The book (and movie) go into much more detail about this, but that's when the shit hit the fan. NBC decides they're going to go with Leno, and now Letterman starts screaming that the show should have been his and he was the rightful heir to it. He threatens to leave NBC if he doesn't get the Tonight Show, and now NBC is in the unenviable position of having to decide. Leno or Letterman? They are only going to get to keep one of them. In the end they chose Leno because he was A) easier to deal with, and B) more of a company guy. He would do what they wanted. Letterman of course went to CBS, made millions of dollars, and became the first show to ever take on The Tonight Show at 11:30. Like I said, the book and movie go into much, much more detail (especially about Helen Kuschnick, Leno's manager, who basically strongarmed NBC into hiring Jay for the job by playing the nastiest game of hardball imaginable) but that's the short version. Carson wanted Letterman, Letterman wanted the Tonight Show, but NBC didn't want Letterman. Carson and Letterman were always close because Carson considered Dave to be his protege. And Johnny Carson was also kind of a dick. |
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