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SkyDreamer |
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Jeff's treatment to Russell really pissed me off. He should have said something along the lines of "you lost, Natalie won, so shut up and get over
it." Instead he let Russell hog all the airtime again.
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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OzarkSurvivor wrote: No, Jeff didn't force Janu to quit, but he did facilitate it, and by doing so, changed the rules of the game. Prior to this, nobody had quit against the wishes of their tribemates without a valid reason (medical emergency, emotional breakdown). Those who didn't want to play anymore asked to be voted out (including Osten), and it was generally up to their tribemates whether or not that wish was granted. Janu was playing the game in this spirit, and it is clear that she didn't even consider quitting an option until Jeff made it an option. Sure, this may have been due to fear of losing her prize money (probably even moreso than her jury seat), but so what? She was willing to play things out until Jeff decided to give her an out (and in the meantime thwart her tribemates). Jeff took away one of the few things the players control in the game - the decision on who gets voted out. I've used this example before, but here's why this is such a bad precedent. You have one alliance up 5 - 4 on another. In the minority alliance are an immunity hog and a weak older lady who is not a threat. The immunity hog wins immunity at F9 and F8, and the other two members of the alliance are voted off. He fails to win immunity at F7 - perhaps it is one of those popularity contests that it is impossible to win if you need it. His ally, knowing there's no way she's ever going to win immunity, decides to quit to protect him. She goes home at F7 instead, allowing the immunity hog to resume his immunity streak. Is that fair? Of course not, but it is basically the type of play that Jeff's decision opens up. |
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seltzer3 |
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It was interesting, because I remember at the reunion show, Jeff asked the rest of the cast if they thought he forced Janu to quit.
You can totally see Jenn (I miss you so much |
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cindidindi76 |
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Really? I never noticed that, I'll have to remember to pay attention to that next time I watch Palau.
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Cyberball2072 |
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SirCrocodilep wrote: That's my point. She flat out said " I Don't want to be here, I want to go home" right at TC and Probst apparently did not even acknowledge she said it. |
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Cyberball2072 |
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co⋅erce [koh-urs] -verb (used with object), -erced, -erc⋅ing. 1. to compel by force, intimidation, or authority, esp. without regard for individual desire
or volition: They coerced him into signing the document. 2. to bring about through the use of force or other forms of compulsion; exact: to coerce obedience.
3. to dominate or control, esp. by exploiting fear, anxiety, etc.: The state is based on successfully coercing the individual.
So you see, the entire argument about whether Janu thinks she was coerced or not is 100% irrelevent- It is Jeff Probst that has to answer for this, not Janu. The fact that Probst more or less throws it to Janu, whom then says she was not coerced is part of the cover story- Unless Janu is specifically granted immunity for the legal stuff on what she can or can't say (they may have already threatened her that if she says she was, she owes CBS $5 million would be a huge reason for Janu to say she was not coerced, which is bunk). |
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SirCrocodilep |
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Cyberball2072 wrote:That always pissed me off the most. |
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Mypoody2 |
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SirCrocodilep wrote:Uh... cuz he wanted Shawna to stay, duh... Janu leaving = good cuz it lets stephenie stay in the game ^_^ Television ftw! |
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Axie.rsfd |
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This may sound stupid, but maybe it was because of people quitting after Shawna but before Janu. By Amazon, the very idea of quitting was unthinkable. It probably never crossed Jeff's mind that one would actively give up on winning a million bucks. By Palau, Osten, Jenna M _and_ Sioux Hawk had given up already. Maybe he just got used to the idea.
And of course, Janu quitting would let Steph stay. But I don't think he would have coerced someone to quit before PI/ASS, even for Steph.
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SirCrocodilep |
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Mypoody2 wrote: We missed out the Joanna *+@%!%+ :-( |
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Cyberball2072 |
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My belief is that Probst was not interested in seeing a cute white girl be the first to quit.
I think Probst is lying when he say's he knows next to nothing about what is going on in camp. I think he watches all kinds of videos, he is briefed by camera men, pyschologists, producers, etc and goes over everything before every tribal council. The fact that he was rather "nice" to Janu in quitting whereas he was harder on Osten speaks for itself. He would know that Stephanie was going to be VERY popular amongst viewers and they wanted to keep her in. Remember in that episode, we got the part where the person that came in last place in the challenge got sent into an "exile island" like scenario. Now, if it was done in EVERY episode after that, it might be something. But for it to ONLY happen in one episode in a challenge that Janu almost certainly would lose, tells me it was part of a process designed to break her and get her to quit in order to save Stephanie. |
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Mypoody2 wrote:This is the correct answer. |
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Ooga Ooga |
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The Purple Parrot wrote: This pretty much sums up about half of what I despise about the asshole. The rest of it has to do with his insane image of himself. He seems to believe he is a great celebrity and deserves to be a celebrity - despite the fact that he doesn't deserve to be any kind of celebrity. But I think EPMB has a mindset whereby if something is making money for him, he is not about to change it. So, I fear we will keep seeing Probst for as long as this show keeps making money. However, the first season where it loses money, there is a real good chance that one of the things they will change will be the cast - namely Jiffy Boy. With any luck, he will be gone and soon forgotten. Stupid fucking schmecker. Cocksucker Asshole! Jiffy boy bastard!
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cindidindi76 |
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If you hate him that much, and if it causes you such stress, then quit watching. Problem solved.
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Cyberball2072 wrote: Or...Shawna wasn't going anywhere that night. Osten was. He asked his tribe to vote him out and they all agreed--watching that play out would make for a pretty unspectacular Tribal Council. Not to mention that Osten had been on this "I want out" kick for quite a while whereas Shawna's sort of came out of nowhere because she was upset the girls didn't win some Coca-Cola (I'm sure there was more to it than that, but you get what I mean). She could have rebounded (and did, once some guys came to her camp). Had Osten continued, it would have been more of the same "My body is my temple; I'm not going to risk my health for a million dollars" all the time. I'm all for conspiracy theories but Jeff Probst having a racist motive in allowing Osten to be the first official quitter seems like a bit of a stretch to me. Now, I could buy that the fact that Osten was such a muscular guy and (appeared to be) one of the strongest ever on the show--that Jeff was frustrated he wasn't living up to that and wanted to make an example out of this guy who was acting like a baby. Because on paper Osten was the last person you'd expect to see complaining about the conditions on day 5 or 6. Like Axie said, once Osten set the precedent, the stigma of quitting sort of vanished. I mean, Osten is still almost universally disdained while Janu and Kathleen have sizable fanbases. Osten is the eternal punching bag; ever since, quitters have been treated with kid gloves. I'm not an Osten fan by any means but for that reason I do sympathize with him nowadays. |
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SirCrocodilep |
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And there is a reason why Osten didn't go to the reunion.
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Cyberball2072 |
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All that has been said, I agreed with.
Like I said, if Probst admitted that yes he sits in on production meetings, he looks at charts and reads transcripts of EVERYTHING that is being said in camp, I would be more inclined to believe he did not coerce Janu into quitting. By not admitting to this stuff, that he is on on production and how he does not know what is going on in camp, makes me less likely to believe anything he says.
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SirCrocodilep |
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He took a cheap shot at Greg Buis (VERY cheap shot) when they have fans voting for hottest Survivor. He said something like "My favorite" in the most sarcastic manner possible.
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Cyberball2072 |
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seltzer3 wrote: Not only did Probst ignore them, but so did one of the biggest idiots out there, David Bloomberg. He writes like no one think Probst coerced Janu into quitting. It is funny because I am of the belief over there at RealityNewOnline that they were told to go easy on Janu, and did by not putting her into the Hall of Shame......they write an article called "Why Janu is NOT in the Hall of Shame" and the article makes a better case to put her into the Hall but does not actually claim that they did. |
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