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Bowie.thehole		#21	[-]
Posts: 763 (01/31/10 11:07 PM) More Recent Posts	Ad freedom fighters united! Remove this ad matty p wrote: SomeGoodBubbles wrote: Honestly I'm sure if they do a winner's edition it will only be for the final season of survivor. It would be pitched as deciding once and for all who is the best survivor player of all time and crowning the final Sole Survivor. They're gonna go out on a returning players season for sure and this would be the one thing I think they could or should do to wrap it all up. With the current given winners two have a classic 16 person game we just remove three men who I assume would be Ethan, Yul who is persuing his political career, and Brian cause he crossbowed a puppy. But of course all winners to come up until the end of the series will be more likely to be added to this list over some others cause the audience will recognize newer winners. Men: Richard Chris Tom Aras Earl Todd Bob JT Women: Natalie Tina Parvati Danni Amber Sandra Jenna Vecepia I used to think that they'd do an All-Winners edition in the last season ever, but the more I think about it, they're going to want to go out with an absolute bang in the last season, and to do that, they'll want to bring back all the big characters and fan favourites (Rupert, Hatch, Fairplay, Russell, Coach, Sugar, Stephenie, Cirie, James etc). Therefore, I have a feeling that the last season will be an Ultimate All-Stars season. They will have a Winners edition before this, and this will probably be in the next few seasons (hopefully season 24) as they look for new ideas and themes to use on 'returning players' seasons, since they will probably be having returning players once every two seasons now. I actually disagree, matty. I also think the final season will be an All-Winners battle of 16. I'm pretty sure they have this concept in mind, and all the stars may be aligning for it, in a few years' time (Hatch, Ethan, etc.). As far as I'm concerned, Heroes vs. Villains is essentially the "Ultimate All-Stars" season, with very few exceptions, mainly Richard Hatch, which an All-Winners final season would solve. Let's say -- conservatively speaking -- there's only 4 more seasons after HvV, plus Season 25, "SURVIVOR: OUTWIN," the ultimate All-Winners showdown. They'll have 23-24 winners to choose from, but most likely 24 as I find it hard to imagine a previous winner winning HvV (no spoilers, please!). You can bet the most recent winners are all included (S21, 22, 23, 24). And of course the HvV winner will be included. That means they only need about 11 of the current 19 winners: Definites: (men) Richard Hatch, Ethan Zohn, Tom Westman, Todd Herzog, "J.T." Thomas Definites: (women) Jenna Morasca, Sandra Diaz-Twine, Amber Brkich, Parvati Shallow Need only a couple of the following Possible: Brian Heidik, Chris Daugherty, Aras Baskauskas, Bob Crowley Tina Wesson, Danni Boatwright, Natalie White Unlikely: Earl Cole Vecepia Towery Not a chance: Yul Kwon Regardless, the winners list is already full of a great mix of characters, athletic alphas and brainy betas. I guarantee you Jeff and Burnett have this basic plan in store, whether it's for S24/25 or S30 or S40 (lol). Obviously the longer the show lasts, the more refined our winner competitors list will be, but we already have at least a nice solid, classic set of 16 in store. It's the perfect finale. (Oh, and without doubt it'll be held either on Pulau Tiga, or back in the U.S.)
matty p		#22	[-]
Posts: 410 (02/01/10 12:09 AM) More Recent Posts	Yeah, you make some great points Bowie. I think it really depends on how much longer Survivor runs for. If it finishes at around season 24 or 25, then they probably will treat Heroes vs Villains as their Ultimate All-Stars, but if it continues for a few more years, I think they'd definitely want another full on All-Stars season. The likelihood of new castaways emerging who become massive characters or fan favourites is still very high. Look at the last few seasons, and we've had Coach, Russell and Sugar appear on our screens. If characters of the same magnitude are seen on the next few seasons, the producers won't be able to resist bringing them back in some way or another. It just depends whether they want to bring them back with previous All-Stars or only bring back new All-Stars. I completely agree with your view on the calibre of an All Winners season. I think by now they already have enough big characters and variety in winners to have a Winners season in the next few years. I'd have it: Definites: (men) Richard Hatch, Tom Westman (if he agrees), Todd Herzog, Bob Crowley, JT Thomas Definites: (women) Tina Wesson (if she's fit enough), Jenna Morasca, Sandra Diaz-Twine, Amber Brkich, Parvati Shallow Possibles: (men) Ethan Zohn (if he's well enough), Brian Heidik (if they want him), Chris Daugherty, Aras Baskauskas, Yul Kwon (if he quits his job) Possibles: (women) Vecepia Towery, Danni Boatwright, Natalie White Unlikely: Earl Cole (not an interesting enough character, will only make it if other people can't)
Olmec Donald		#23	[-]
Posts: 1347 (02/01/10 12:42 AM) More Recent Posts	Bowie wrote: Definites: (men) Richard Hatch, Ethan Zohn, Tom Westman, Todd Herzog, "J.T." Thomas Definites: (women) Jenna Morasca, Sandra Diaz-Twine, Amber Brkich, Parvati Shallow Not definite. Their participation will hinge on whether Ethan makes a full recovery from cancer by then.
Bowie.thehole		#24	[-]
Posts: 764 (02/01/10 01:53 AM) More Recent Posts	Olmec Donald wrote: Bowie wrote: Definites: (men) Richard Hatch, Ethan Zohn, Tom Westman, Todd Herzog, "J.T." Thomas Definites: (women) Jenna Morasca, Sandra Diaz-Twine, Amber Brkich, Parvati Shallow Not definite. Their participation will hinge on whether Ethan makes a full recovery from cancer by then. Heard of positive vibes? Ethan Zohn will recover and will make a heroic return to the game with his wife. Worse than mattyp AND less positive. Figures.
hagiz1		#25	[-]
Posts: 946 (02/01/10 11:36 AM) More Recent Posts	Bowie wrote: Olmec Donald wrote: Bowie wrote: Definites: (men) Richard Hatch, Ethan Zohn, Tom Westman, Todd Herzog, "J.T." Thomas Definites: (women) Jenna Morasca, Sandra Diaz-Twine, Amber Brkich, Parvati Shallow Not definite. Their participation will hinge on whether Ethan makes a full recovery from cancer by then. Heard of positive vibes? Ethan Zohn will recover and will make a heroic return to the game with his wife. Worse than mattyp AND less positive. Figures. Uh.... even with your "positive vibes" do you know how long cancer survivors have to rest and make sure they're not contaminated by germs since they don't have enough white blood cell (that's ruined by the chemotherapy or radiation) And you expect Ethan if he's recovered to be up and about in an island where he could get Malaria, parasites, mosquito bites and other diseases? Jeez, man you're sooooo dumb, I can't imagine there's someone as dumb as you in this world. Please think before you speak.
hagiz1		#26	[-]
Posts: 947 (02/01/10 11:38 AM) More Recent Posts	Bowie wrote: (Oh, and without doubt it'll be held either on Pulau Tiga, or back in the U.S.) Pulau Tiga is a resort now stupid
Bowie.thehole		#27	[-]
Posts: 766 (02/01/10 06:07 PM) More Recent Posts	hagiz1 wrote: Bowie wrote: (Oh, and without doubt it'll be held either on Pulau Tiga, or back in the U.S.) Pulau Tiga is a resort now stupid It's not like they booked out resort accommodation to film Samoa or any other season or anything. And I'm not stupid; you're an asshole. Obviously I'm presuming and hoping that Ethan would have sufficiently recovered in the next few years, even though I'm aware that that's not a definite. And even if he is somewhat weaker about the time of an All-Winners edition, I'm pretty sure Survivor producers would make allowances (such as extra food and constant medical monitoring) for him -- let alone he'd most likely be there with his wife and the other winner contestants would be behind it and help. Granted, he may be one of the first voted out if he's too weak, but, well, look. I'm hopeful. I like Ethan. Everybody Quit your asshattery.
Olmec Donald		#28	[-]
Posts: 1356 (02/01/10 06:40 PM) More Recent Posts	Bowie wrote: It's not like they booked out resort accommodation to film Samoa or any other season or anything. The resort was booked out for crew accomodation; it's not as though they were filming right next to the hotel, they were filming several miles away. In Pulau Tiga, if I'm not mistaken, the actual Tagi and Pagong Pagong beaches are now covered by hotels. This will, at the very least, severely restrict the area where filming can occur. Bowie wrote: Obviously I'm presuming and hoping that Ethan would have sufficiently recovered in the next few years, even though I'm aware that that's not a definite. Then why did you list it as a definite? Bowie wrote: And even if he is somewhat weaker about the time of an All-Winners edition, I'm pretty sure Survivor producers would make allowances (such as extra food and constant medical monitoring) for him. Yeah, because that really screams 'survival situation'. Nobody on the show has gotten special concessions thus far. If people have medical issues they are removed from the game or not cast at all. The risk in keeping a sick person out there would be too great, because any further medical trouble means a lawsuit, compensation, bad publicity and a possible drop in viewers. Bowie wrote: I'm hopeful. When your arguments are 'Positive vibes' and 'I'm hopeful', don't expect to be taken seriously. Bowie wrote: Everybody Quit your asshattery. The only asshat here is you for speculating on people's health and calling it 'definite'.
Bowie.thehole		#29	[-]
Posts: 768 (02/01/10 09:14 PM) More Recent Posts	Olmec Donald wrote: Bowie wrote: It's not like they booked out resort accommodation to film Samoa or any other season or anything. The resort was booked out for crew accomodation; it's not as though they were filming right next to the hotel, they were filming several miles away. In Pulau Tiga, if I'm not mistaken, the actual Tagi and Pagong Pagong beaches are now covered by hotels. This will, at the very least, severely restrict the area where filming can occur. I SAID PULAU TIGA REFERRING TO THE LOCATION OF BORNEO. GET IT? Bowie wrote: Obviously I'm presuming and hoping that Ethan would have sufficiently recovered in the next few years, even though I'm aware that that's not a definite. Then why did you list it as a definite? I'VE EXPLAINED THIS REPEATEDLY Bowie wrote: And even if he is somewhat weaker about the time of an All-Winners edition, I'm pretty sure Survivor producers would make allowances (such as extra food and constant medical monitoring) for him. Yeah, because that really screams 'survival situation'. Nobody on the show has gotten special concessions thus far. If people have medical issues they are removed from the game or not cast at all. The risk in keeping a sick person out there would be too great, because any further medical trouble means a lawsuit, compensation, bad publicity and a possible drop in viewers. DO YOU GET IT? ETHAN BEING CAST IS NOT A DEFINITE! I GET IT! HE'S CURRENTLY SICK! HE MAY NOT RECOVER! YES! I GET IT! I WOULDN'T CAST HIM IF HE HADN'T RECOVERED EITHER. BUT HE MIGHT RECOVER. I'M HOPEFUL HE'LL RECOVER. SO SHOULD YOU BE. AND IF HE DOES RECOVER WELL, HE'LL BE ASKED BACK. THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A CANCER SURVIVOR, YOU KNOW? AND ETHAN IS SURVIVOR ROYALTY. THEY WILL MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR ROYALTY. ETHAN IS A SPECIAL CASE. Bowie wrote: I'm hopeful. When your arguments are 'Positive vibes' and 'I'm hopeful', don't expect to be taken seriously. YOU'RE A HORRIBLE PERSON. Bowie wrote: Everybody Quit your asshattery. The only asshat here is you for speculating on people's health and calling it 'definite'. I'VE EXPLAINED THIS REPEATEDLY. BEING POSITIVE ABOUT ETHAN'S RECOVERY IS NOT ASSHATTERY.
Olmec Donald		#30	[-]
Posts: 1381 (02/01/10 10:39 PM) More Recent Posts	Ad freedom fighters united! Remove this ad Bowie, I may or may not be a good person, but at least I know when to admit my mistakes. Clearly, you don't. Instead you prefer to start ranting in all caps.
Bowie.thehole		#31	[-]
Posts: 769 (02/02/10 01:00 AM) More Recent Posts	Olmec Donald wrote: Bowie, I may or may not be a good person, but at least I know when to admit my mistakes. Clearly, you don't. Instead you prefer to start ranting in all caps. Olmec, I'll be happy to admit a mistake whenever I make one. (PS I wasn't ranting, I was just distinguishing myself from your text with caps.)
alnusrubra		#32	[-]
Posts: 258 (02/02/10 02:36 AM) More Recent Posts	Herein lies the problem with a Winner's Edition; the only way they can get more female winners would probably be through having a couple more All Stars seasons
johnjohn		#33	[-]
Posts: 53 (02/02/10 10:11 AM) More Recent Posts	A female should win a future season pre-Winners edition because Parvati playing for the fourth time would be TOO MUCH.
Mikester		#34	[-]
Posts: 8552 (02/02/10 11:42 AM) More Recent Posts	I'd prefer a second chance season over a winner's season.
tomash		#35	[-]
Posts: 2985 (02/02/10 12:20 PM) More Recent Posts	Me too. They would have a very small pool of contestants to chose from, and a lot of the winners aren't even that interesting to begin with.
Bowie.thehole		#36	[-]
Posts: 771 (02/02/10 05:31 PM) More Recent Posts	alnusrubra wrote: Herein lies the problem with a Winner's Edition; the only way they can get more female winners would probably be through having a couple more All Stars seasons alol
JVJrule		#37	[-]
Posts: 4051 (02/02/10 06:59 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts	dropurbuffs wrote: This isn't necessarily the best thread to ask this in... but has Elisabeth from Australia said that she will not do another season of Survivor? Or is there still that slim chance that she might be back some day? I doubt she'd ever want to. If she did, she'd be the first one gone because she's "famous" and "rich"
bizzymann		#38	[-]
Posts: 258 (02/02/10 07:44 PM) Registered User More Recent Posts	An "all winners" season is the only legitimate All Stars type seaon there could ever be. Period. Otherwise there's no way to justify the casting fairly.
SkyDreamer		#39	[-]
Posts: 788 (02/04/10 04:21 PM) More Recent Posts	Winners - Todd Parvati Jenna Natalie Sandra Yul Ethan Richard Second Chance - Brooke (Guatemala) Brian (Guatemala) Dolly Michelle Spencer John K. Aaron Candace
CC1018		#40	[-]
Posts: 1152 (02/04/10 07:03 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts	Ad freedom fighters united! Remove this ad Let's have a losers edition - put in the people who were voted out 1st -- there might be some really interesting characters that have been left behind as well. And some sort of super-consolation prize for the schmoe who got voted out 1st TWICE.

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