Yet another thread about how Terry should have given away his idol? Sigh. That was the best decision he made all season, the only logical and good decision he made all season. He doesn't even get third if he gives it away. That one of the Casayas would have jumped ship to become the fifth in La Mina, particularly when in that scenario they'd be down to five in Casaya is the epitome of idiocy.
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Posts: 6956 (01/31/10 04:09 PM) Registered User |
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Posts: 2808 (01/31/10 06:03 PM) Registered user |
Since we're talking Terry and the HII stuff Quiddity, what do you think the case might have been if he gave it to Courtney at the Final 6? Do you think that could've helped him?
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Posts: 861 (01/31/10 09:28 PM) I love ShiiAnn |
XtremeInnovator420 wrote: Could you refresh my memory, but in that season, what was the rules regarding the hidden immunity? If I recall it could be used AFTER the votes have been cast, right? Was it ever said if it could be transfered after the votes are read? |
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Posts: 2811 (01/31/10 09:31 PM) Registered user |
In EI, the HII could be used after votes were read, but I think it had to be transferred prior to TC.
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Posts: 865 (01/31/10 10:21 PM) I love ShiiAnn |
XtremeInnovator420 wrote: I know that entire concept of a fake idol was not used until Yao Man did it in season 14. So honestly, if Terry had given up the Idol, Courtney would have told everyone that he had given her the idol and the result would have been Terry going home. If Terry had the foresight to make a fake idol, then this might have worked.
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Posts: 2812 (01/31/10 10:52 PM) Registered user |
You're forgetting that Terry had Immunity at Final 6. So uh....I guess what he could've done is given Immunity to Courtney and Idol'ed out Aras or something. That way he keeps winning the rest of the IC's (minus the F3 one) and makes F3 still. And Austin made a fake idol on exile, he just decided not to try anything with it.
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Posts: 873 (02/02/10 12:15 AM) I love ShiiAnn |
XtremeInnovator420 wrote: It's been a long time since I saw that season and it was largely forgettable, so I had forgotten that. It does seem Terry should have done...something. As I recall, Cirie did make some sort of deal with him to go after Aras was it? I recall Cirie got Terry to vote one way; Shane/Courtney to vote another way; and herself, Aras and Danielle took out the target, Courtney.
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Posts: 27 (02/02/10 01:33 AM) |
I think the most obvious moment was to get rid of Yul in Cook Islands because the guy clearly said he has an immunity idol. What made Micronesia a great season is the fact that despite people knew people like Ozzy and Jason had idols that didn't stop them from targeting them. Johnathan had a great chance getting rid of Yul but instead he voted Nate off and it was a 5-4 vote. Had he changed his vote the game probably would've been completely different. Poor Ozzy didn't really have an alliance there XD
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Posts: 864 (02/02/10 02:24 AM) MESS member |
Actually, though, through no effort of his own, Terry ended up in a REALLY good position in the end. Since he was so far removed from having to scheme since his game was essentially to try like hell to win immunity, he ended up with the jury not really mad at him. Although he was almost certainly the weakest strategist of that season's endgame contestants (seeing as he didn't really have to try to strategize until he cut that deal with Danielle and Courtney in the final six.. that failed when Cirie outfoxed him) he absolutely would have won. Cirie, Aras, and Danielle had blood on their hands. Terry... didn't. Since in addition to his La Mina votes from Austin and Sally he probably would have had votes from Shane and Courtney who were betrayed by the Casaya alliance... he'd have had the game just about sewed up against anyone he faced. Cirie is the only one that even had a slight chance of beating him, and I suspect she'd have fallen one vote short. Aras and Danielle would have lost in landslides.
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Posts: 261 (02/02/10 05:57 AM) |
Russhole fits into this thread.
all he had to do is be nice, not that fucking hard. |
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chaddie |
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Posts: 262 (02/02/10 06:03 AM) |
BladeBlur wrote: uh, the EI HII rules were still in play during cook Islands, that they play the HII after the votes are read. so that wouldnt have worked.. Sorry for Double Post XP |
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Posts: 875 (02/02/10 08:24 AM) I love ShiiAnn |
chaddie wrote: You got that right. He all but dared the Jury to vote against him if only to spite him. He should have said anything he wanted about the others in his confessional interviews- to do it right do them, mock them to their faces all but sealed his fate. if they REALLY wanted to spite him, they would have split their votes up so that Mick got more votes then Russell did.
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Posts: 867 (02/02/10 12:56 PM) MESS member |
Russell, I think, really only did two things badly wrong.
1. He assumed a tribe with the kind of people that would squander away an 8-4 advantage would be the types of people that would vote completely on strategy. In fact, the problem with the Galu tribe, I feel, was that they did vote emotionally over logically. As much as Shambo claimed to be the "emotional" voter, she was actually voting on logic. Russell, though, did a poor job reading the room there and didn't see that players like Laura and Monica weren't going to give a crap how good a strategist he was, they wanted to vote for who they liked. 2. He completely misjudged Natalie's appeal. I think that he was so caught up in seeing what a strong strategic game he had played that he completely ignored the fact that Natalie was out there cultivating jury votes and making bonds with potential jurors, and I don't think it even occurred to him until they were at the final tribal council that people might vote for her over him for that reason. When you play a slash-and-burn kind of game with the jury (and players that I would define as playing that way: Brian, Rob Mariano, Stephenie, Dreamz, and Sugar) you have to be prepared for some heat, and you have to take someone to the end that, in addition to having poor relations with the jury, didn't play strategically. Had Russell replaced Natalie with Shambo and taken her and Mick to the end... the votes would have been more scattered and he'd have had a shot. Natalie, I feel, did one thing really well. She read the room. She saw that this was a jury of people who weren't going to be all "well, I hate Russell, but he really did outplay us" but rather a jury of people that were voting on a criteria that was more based on who they felt "deserved" the million, who they liked, who they'd bonded with. The jury was a bit like Outback's that way. I do feel that the one and only way in which I truly feel that Natalie "outplayed" Russell was in her ability to figure out who the people on the jury were, what they would likely vote for, and making genuine connections with them.... that this wasn't a group of people for whom strategy was the end-all.
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Posts: 3 (02/02/10 02:13 PM) |
I think that the hidden immunity idol from survivor exile island aws simply to powerfull. IN BOTH seasns the player who had it got past the final 4 without ever using it =(((
The hidden immunity idol from fiji is much better. Since player will try to remove however has the idol before the final 5 when it's the last time to use it. |
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SkyDreamer |
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Posts: 782 (02/02/10 04:57 PM) |
Russell played a horrible social game. Advancing yourself by being a bully is not that impressive to me.
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Posts: 1980 (02/02/10 05:34 PM) Registered User |
ilovekelly752 wrote: Morals? Brandon? He has been the most closed minded gay person in survivor, everyone tries to say Frank was an asshole because he didnt accept homosexuality, which I think is fine because his beliefs are that homosexuality is wrong, but Frank wasnt mean to him because of his homosexuality. Brandon was the one that wouldnt align with Frank because Frank didnt agree with his lifestyle. Brandon=worst player ever/dumbest player ever. And he had so many excuses, one of them was the Frank thing but the other was that he just wanted to save another Samburo tribe member and get rid of Kelly. Im sorry but he sucks and he played a huge part in why Africa isnt a great season, had he voted for Lex, that tribal council would have been amazing and the total meltdown at camp would have been amazing. Then Kelly Goldsmith would have went on to win the game, then she would have been on All-Stars and we could have had 2 epic seasons. |
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Posts: 5 (02/02/10 06:32 PM) |
Ian. He quit on Day 38. To make up with Katie Gallagher. X_X
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Posts: 869 (02/02/10 06:43 PM) MESS member |
ElisabethNelehHeidiRok wrote:Actually, the really interesting thing was that Brandon was voted out because Kim Powers, not Frank, no longer trusted him and wanted him voted out, and Teresa couldn't manage to save him. I agree, that the Samburu tribe as a whole with the possible exception of Teresa seemed to value revenge and spiting your enemies more than actually winning a million dollars.ilovekelly752 wrote: |
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Posts: 2817 (02/02/10 07:00 PM) Registered user |
Just throwing out there that most of the Samoa jury voted for Natalie because they felt she DID play better than Russell, not because they disliked Russell per say. And at F6 in EI, Terry/Courtney voted one was while Shane voted another.
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