| Started By | Comment | ||
|---|---|---|---|
 tomash |
|||
|
Posts: 2978 (02/02/10 07:27 AM) |
I'm glad you didn't go with the flow of jealous posters that try to discredit Sandra's game CR! I really enjoyed your writeup.
While Sandra isn't underrated as a character, she's rightfully loved by pretty much everyone that matters, her strategical and social game are definitely underrated. |
||
|
chapera rocks |
|||
|
Posts: 12831 (02/02/10 08:29 AM) Registered User |
Thailandsurvivor wrote:Burton was a lot more tactful and respectful than Fairplay was. The reason he would have beat Lill was not on his own merits, but out of everyone hating Lill. Fairplay's strategy was to pit people against each other, which is why he stayed. He was a smooth operator and a douchebag at the same time. There's a difference between liking someone and aligning with them, Pearl Islands exemplifies that because people who hated each other aligned on a regular basis. Fairplay's social game was complete crap, which is why most people hated him. Period. He even acknowledges this himself, when he said he had no idea how he'd win a final vote. And yes, the Outcast twist did help him because it gave him the only person in the cast he could beat in the finals. |
||
|
JackSparrowBauer |
|||
|
Posts: 4750 (02/02/10 09:55 AM) |
Without the Outcast twist, the whole game would've been completely different, so maybe Fairplay would've played more low-key. Either way, he was brilliant for being the only one to capitalize on the Outcast twist and use it to his advantage.
Anyway, Sandra is way too high. Sandra's game is not underrated at all. She just wasn't a good strategic player. She just wasn't. She said so herself that the only reason she made the Final 2 is because everyone else had bigger fish to fry, which is exactly why she got there, because JFP never targetted her. And it had nothing to do with him trusting her, he voted differently from her on THREE separate occasions. I can't believe you gave her an A- for the strategic game and an A for the social game. Did you see how she cast a vote for JFP when she was planning on going to the Final 5 with him? Did you see how she started shouting at everyone throwing F bombs left and right when things didn't go her way (Rupert getting out)? Yeah, she would've beaten a lot of those people (except Darrah would've beaten her, and maybe Rupert, too. It's tough to tell with him since he only came in 8th), but that was largely out of backlash. She only won because she wasn't Lill. JFP, Burton, Darrah and Ryno all voted for her because they were bitter at Lill for one reason or another. Same thing with JFP, except he might have even scraped out 4 votes (definitely Burton and T, possibly Ryno and Darrah, too). Her voting for JFP was retarded in every aspect. If she did that planning that it would send Rupert home, then it was retarded because she put herself in the minority and completely at the mercy of JFP and Burton. If she did it planning on sending him a message or whatever, it was still retarded because it showed him that she was against him, which would've been stupid because he was in control and had the power to take her out whenever. If she did it because she really thought Darrah was going home (which is what she said herself), then it was retarded because you don't vote for someone who you're planning on going to the Final 5 with! She was in a lose-lose situation at F7, but she still made the wrong choice. She got outplayed by JFP (yet again), and chose the path where he had all the power (and where she would've gotten 5th place had Lill not switched the game up at F5), she had no power and he didn't need her vote anymore. Had she voted Burton out, she would've knocked JFP down a peg, then she and Christa could've swung over to JFP and Lill to take out T, AND she would've gotten rid of the biggest physical threat. Just because she would've stuck with T for one vote doesn't mean she had to plan on sticking with her all the way to the Final 4. I'm just sick of people making Sandra's game out to be so much more than it actually is, because there wasn't that much of it in the first place. You're giving her game more credit than she herself does.
|
||
|
unduli clone |
|||
|
Posts: 8487 (02/02/10 10:03 AM) Registered User |
Since WHEN is Sandra underrated?!?!?!?!???? I really loved her as a character and think her win was amazing and probably the most unique one we'll ever see on this show, but to try and taint that by claiming she was actually a good strategist takes away her appeal, in my opinion. I'll just break down how I see the game: Pre-Merge: - Your comparison of Sandra and Cirie is a false one. In EI, Cirie went to TC twice in the first six days and managed to survive both times despite being a challenge liability. In Micro she went to TC in the first three days, and even though JFP quit she was never even a target despite being recognized as a weak physical player and an amazing strategist from her earlier season. Sandra didn't have to go to TC for the first 12 days and it was only because Drake decided to throw the challenge to get out a socially awkward player. She had nearly two weeks to integrate into the tribe and I do give her credit for managing to hide her poor challenge showing, but the fact remains that she was extremely fortunate in Drake's constant wins. - Trish's boot has been discussed heavily elsewhere, but it was a terrible move on Sandra's part. Trish was much more loyal to Sandra than Shawn or JFP ever would be; even if Sandra didn't want to drop Rupert at that point (which, if there had been no Outcast twist, probably would've been a great idea) she could've gone to Rupert and said that JFP concocted the plan and gotten him booted instead of Trish, who was less likely to flip in the future. - Telling Shawn and JFP that one of them were going home has already been discussed, but it was a terrible move especially considering that they were about to get a new teammate and presumably have a merge immediately following. She completely ostracized Jon and was very lucky that Lill was voted back in and hated the Morgans, and that Burton came back and wasn't bitter to the Drakes. Post-Merge: - There wasn't anything bad at F10/09 - Andrew and Ryno were the correct boots. However, her vote at Rupert's TC has been duly noted as retarded. Both Lill and JFP had already flipped once at this point which meant that their votes were hardly guaranteed, not to mention that she and Christa had both voted out Burton once before. Her personal Jon vote was horrifically dumb. - F7 was both Sandra's best moment and her worst one. Getting Tijuana and working that important 7-person TC was brilliant, especially since she would have JFP and Lill as weak pawns to then flip on Tijuana and Darrah. However, she allowed herself to get played like a fiddle by JFP. Tijuana didn't have the numbers to boot Christa at F6 - Lill and JFP both knew that Darrah/Tijuana were much stronger than the Sandra/Christa pairing and Sandra could've worked that easily. The previous three boots were all based on challenge threats as the Burton one would be - the precedent had been set and would've continued into the F6. - Because Sandra cut off her own numbers in Tijuana/Darrah at F7, she automatically had four votes working against her: she left the Burton/JFP/Lill trifecta intact and then alienated Darrah at the previous TC who, even if she would join up with Sandra, could at best force a tie. She practically begged for Christa (an excellent F2 goat and one who was likely to get there with Sandra) to be booted by voting out Tijuana. - The F5 was excellent moves by all the women. Whose main idea was it, again? It seems straightforward now to break an obvious pairing at the F5 but this was still fairly early into Survivor's run and it was a great move. - Voting out Darrah at the F4 was mildly retarded. JFP was guaranteed to take Lill if she was in the F3, Lill was pretty much guaranteed to take JFP, and Darrah was an unknown. If JFP were in the F3 it was most likely that Darrah would've taken him, but if Lill were there it would be a tougher decision simply because she despised Lill so much. By taking JFP, Sandra would be in the F2 if either of them won the last IC. By taking Lill, Sandra was in the F2 if either of them won the IC. By taking both JFP and Lill, Sandra was setting herself up as being the one who had to win the IC to go to the finals. She was extremely fortunate that Lill broke down at the F3 and took Sandra. EXTREMELY FORTUNATE. She had a couple good moves but plenty of non-winners have made as many moves as her, and tons have made more and better ones. She made terrible, terrible mistakes and would've never won if not for the Outcast twist. Never. |
||
|
Thailandsurvivor |
|||
|
Posts: 9719 (02/02/10 11:38 AM) |
chapera rocks wrote:I can use the exact same argument for why Sandra's social game was crap. Morgan hated her for tearing down their shelter early, Fairplay, Shawn, Burton, and Michelle (half of Drake) disliked her immensely. She was a similar version of Randy by burning down the camp. She was only not blamed for dropping the fish because her social game was so awful. Yelling at others does not make them like you in any shape or form. Getting people to believe your word over someone else's is 100% social game. From a good social game, you are able to make moves. Example: Jon's social game gained everyone's trust on original Drake which made him the swing vote. His strategic move was taking out Burton over Christa.Thailandsurvivor wrote:Burton was a lot more tactful and respectful than Fairplay was. The reason he would have beat Lill was not on his own merits, but out of everyone hating Lill. Fairplay's strategy was to pit people against each other, which is why he stayed. He was a smooth operator and a douchebag at the same time. There's a difference between liking someone and aligning with them, Pearl Islands exemplifies that because people who hated each other aligned on a regular basis. And believe it or not, more people hated Shawn than Fairplay.
|
||
|
Joaqenix |
|||
|
Posts: 4976 (02/02/10 11:40 AM) |
Mikester wrote:So much agreeance. I don't remember much of Sandra's game, but I do love how different she was. Definitely a unique winner, which is more than you can say about almost anyone else since then. |
||
|
Thailandsurvivor |
|||
|
Posts: 9722 (02/02/10 11:57 AM) |
Joaqenix wrote:I agree. The problem is that this is a ranking thread of strategic games, not characters. Sandra's strategic game was almost nonexistent.Mikester wrote:So much agreeance. I don't remember much of Sandra's game, but I do love how different she was. Definitely a unique winner, which is more than you can say about almost anyone else since then. |
||
|
Rafting Persona Queen |
|||
|
Posts: 122 (02/02/10 12:12 PM) |
People often cite Sandra's gameplay as being mercenary-esque but that was really only a factor once Christa left and she got 6th. So "anyone but me" was for two boots. Prior to that (the entire game) she was just in a majority alliance and was the one to survive based on her weakness in challenges.
|
||
|
chapera rocks |
|||
|
Posts: 12833 (02/02/10 01:54 PM) Registered User |
This is probably the last Sandra defense post I'll be making because (1) I typed out most of it and lost it. <_< and (2) It's so draining to argue in this long winded posts.
Let's get one thing clear first: I do not believe Sandra is one of the best players ever. Just that she is completely underrated nowadays. It's "cool" to hate on her game for some reason. There has to be a middle ground, and that's what I'm arguing. She wasn't the best, but she wasn't horrible, she's somewhere in between, slightly good because she ya know, won. I think PI was so long ago, they remember her more for the character she was rather than the strategy she also had. Anyway, Sandra is way too high. Sandra's game is not underrated at all. She just wasn't a good strategic player. She just wasn't. She said so herself that the only reason she made the Final 2 is because everyone else had bigger fish to fry, which is exactly why she got there, because JFP never targetted her. And it had nothing to do with him trusting her, he voted differently from her on THREE separate occasions. Sandra played JFP at final 5. Sandra hid her weakness pre-merge and used it post-merge. She played with the cards she had. What, she's physically weak so we automatically discredit her using it or owning it? No. 1. While I don't think voting for Jon at the final 8 was smart, it wasn't the worst move ever like you people are making it out to be. 2. She was never planning to go to the final 5 with Jon. It's right in the strategy sessions in the episodes, which most people fail to remember. Her final 5 was Christa, Rupert, Lill, and either Burton/Tijuana/Darrah. 3. Any idiot could see that PI was a very unique season in that people would be best friends one minute and would be at each others throats the next. Despite cussing everyone out, most people still loved Sandra. Unlike JFP (who btw, also threw hissy fits yet the JFP advocates tend to ignore that). 4. "She won because she wasn't Lill." Errrr, no. She would have beat almost anyone in the final 7. The only question mark is Darrah. Darrah gets Tijuana/Ryan. Sandra gets Rupert/Christa. Burton and Jon respected Sandra's game more than Darrah and Lill, so they vote Sandra. There is a possibility they wouldn't so I'm not saying for sure, but it's almost certain in my mind. JFP wouldn't have beat anyone but Lill. That is a horrible social game. 5. JFP was never beating Sandra. And it's not just because people were bitter. Most people did not like him. Her voting for JFP was retarded in every aspect. If she did that planning that it would send Rupert home, then it was retarded because she put herself in the minority and completely at the mercy of JFP and Burton. If she did it planning on sending him a message or whatever, it was still retarded because it showed him that she was against him, which would've been stupid because he was in control and had the power to take her out whenever. If she did it because she really thought Darrah was going home (which is what she said herself), then it was retarded because you don't vote for someone who you're planning on going to the Final 5 with! She thought Darrah was going home. If there's something to criticize her for, it's definitely not realizing how close JFP and Burton were. She was never planning to go to the final 5 with Jon. She was in a lose-lose situation at F7, but she still made the wrong choice. She got outplayed by JFP (yet again), and chose the path where he had all the power (and where she would've gotten 5th place had Lill not switched the game up at F5), she had no power and he didn't need her vote anymore. Had she voted Burton out, she would've knocked JFP down a peg, then she and Christa could've swung over to JFP and Lill to take out T, AND she would've gotten rid of the biggest physical threat. Just because she would've stuck with T for one vote doesn't mean she had to plan on sticking with her all the way to the Final 4. You realize that the argument you're making about not having to stick with T all the way to final 4 could be used exactly the same, except in reverse?  Just because she was voting with JFP doesn't mean she had to stick with him to the final 4, and that is why she tried to rally the girls. I don't understand why it's so fucking hard for people to understand: Tijuana was a head strong person that always wanted her way, and she wanted Christa gone. Fairplay and Burton were schemers as well. Darrah and Lill were not. Voting out Tijuana and then allying with the girls was the best move. Taking away Tij makes Darrah a free agent, and she's no where near the strategist that Jon would be. You're suggesting she ally with Jon and Lill after Burton leaves? I'd trust an alliance with Darrah and Lill over Jon and Lill any day of the fucking week. Fairplay played DARRAH. Not Sandra.I'm just sick of people making Sandra's game out to be so much more than it actually is, because there wasn't that much of it in the first place. You're giving her game more credit than she herself does.And you're giving her less credit than she deserves. There was a day when Sandra was extremely overrated. It's now shifted to underrated because people are completely downplaying everything she did and harping on the negatives. She wasn't the best player on the planet or even close, but she wasn't nearly as bad as you people are portraying her to be. - Your comparison of Sandra and Cirie is a false one. In EI, Cirie went to TC twice in the first six days and managed to survive both times despite being a challenge liability. In Micro she went to TC in the first three days, and even though JFP quit she was never even a target despite being recognized as a weak physical player and an amazing strategist from her earlier season. Sandra didn't have to go to TC for the first 12 days and it was only because Drake decided to throw the challenge to get out a socially awkward player. She had nearly two weeks to integrate into the tribe and I do give her credit for managing to hide her poor challenge showing, but the fact remains that she was extremely fortunate in Drake's constant wins.I don't know where these rumors about Sandra being the first Drake gone came from. She was an asset to them in the village and Shawn/Burton had already outcasted themselves. Sandra wasn't going anywhere. What Christa said in the finale is that looking at both tribes, you would think that Sandra would be gone first and Lill would be gone first. Those are based on first impressions. - Trish's boot has been discussed heavily elsewhere, but it was a terrible move on Sandra's part. Trish was much more loyal to Sandra than Shawn or JFP ever would be; even if Sandra didn't want to drop Rupert at that point (which, if there had been no Outcast twist, probably would've been a great idea) she could've gone to Rupert and said that JFP concocted the plan and gotten him booted instead of Trish, who was less likely to flip in the future.Trish was a much more tactful and dangerous player than Fairplay was. I can see why they'd target her first. - Telling Shawn and JFP that one of them were going home has already been discussed, but it was a terrible move especially considering that they were about to get a new teammate and presumably have a merge immediately following. She completely ostracized Jon and was very lucky that Lill was voted back in and hated the Morgans, and that Burton came back and wasn't bitter to the Drakes.Agreed. - There wasn't anything bad at F10/09 - Andrew and Ryno were the correct boots. However, her vote at Rupert's TC has been duly noted as retarded. Both Lill and JFP had already flipped once at this point which meant that their votes were hardly guaranteed, not to mention that she and Christa had both voted out Burton once before. Her personal Jon vote was horrifically dumb.Like I said, it was dumb, but not nearly how much you people are making it out to be. If Rupert was getting voted out that night, then Burton, Jon, and Lill were ALL flipping and her voting for Darrah wouldn't matter. Lill was not going to go into tribal council and flip her vote and Burton and Jon were not going to go in and force a tie like that. - F7 was both Sandra's best moment and her worst one. Getting Tijuana and working that important 7-person TC was brilliant, especially since she would have JFP and Lill as weak pawns to then flip on Tijuana and Darrah. However, she allowed herself to get played like a fiddle by JFP. Tijuana didn't have the numbers to boot Christa at F6 - Lill and JFP both knew that Darrah/Tijuana were much stronger than the Sandra/Christa pairing and Sandra could've worked that easily. The previous three boots were all based on challenge threats as the Burton one would be - the precedent had been set and would've continued into the F6.Read above. How would aligning with JFP and Lill be better than a more trustworthy combination of Darrah and Lill? Strategically, Tijuana, Burton, and Fairplay were the most proactive of Sandra's competition. Eliminating Tijuana gives her the opportunity to work with free agent Darrah, thus taking down Jon, Burton, and Tijuana. Both options end in the same result: the only difference is Darrah vs Jon as an ally. Darrah > Jon. - Because Sandra cut off her own numbers in Tijuana/Darrah at F7, she automatically had four votes working against her: she left the Burton/JFP/Lill trifecta intact and then alienated Darrah at the previous TC who, even if she would join up with Sandra, could at best force a tie. She practically begged for Christa (an excellent F2 goat and one who was likely to get there with Sandra) to be booted by voting out Tijuana.Common sense dictates that Lill and Darrah would jump ship. They didn't because they got played. Lill also had a trifecta alliance with Tijuana and Darrah. - Voting out Darrah at the F4 was mildly retarded. JFP was guaranteed to take Lill if she was in the F3, Lill was pretty much guaranteed to take JFP, and Darrah was an unknown. If JFP were in the F3 it was most likely that Darrah would've taken him, but if Lill were there it would be a tougher decision simply because she despised Lill so much. By taking JFP, Sandra would be in the F2 if either of them won the last IC. By taking Lill, Sandra was in the F2 if either of them won the IC. By taking both JFP and Lill, Sandra was setting herself up as being the one who had to win the IC to go to the finals. She was extremely fortunate that Lill broke down at the F3 and took Sandra. EXTREMELY FORTUNATE. I agree she got lucky in the final 3 because Lill keeping Fairplay didn't make much sense. But Darrah was the strongest competitor, and Darrah and Lill were gunning for each other. She had to vote one of them out. I can use the exact same argument for why Sandra's social game was crap. Morgan hated her for tearing down their shelter early, Fairplay, Shawn, Burton, and Michelle (half of Drake) disliked her immensely. She was a similar version of Randy by burning down the camp. She was only not blamed for dropping the fish because her social game was so awful. Yelling at others does not make them like you in any shape or form. Getting people to believe your word over someone else's is 100% social game. From a good social game, you are able to make moves. Example: Jon's social game gained everyone's trust on original Drake which made him the swing vote. His strategic move was taking out Burton over Christa. Shawn didn't hate Sandra. Burton didn't hate Sandra. Michelle didn't hate Sandra. They weren't aligned with Sandra. There is a huge difference. Jon's early social game wasn't horrible, but it quickly devolved after he threw hissy fit after hissy fit. And unlike Sandra, people didn't really like him afterwords. I agree. The problem is that this is a ranking thread of strategic games, not characters. Sandra's strategic game was almost nonexistent.The problem is PI was so long ago that Sandra's lasting impression was her in your face personality, and people forget all the strategizing she actually did. Nonexistent? She was one of the most proactive players and if you rewatch Pearl Islands you might see that. Nonexistent is a huge distortion of reality. I'm defending Sandra's game, yes, but because I feel she is being completely downplayed. She's MOR. She wasn't the best but she's certainly not the worst. Middle ground. It's a great thing. |
||
|
FarnsworthFan |
|||
|
Posts: 265 (02/02/10 02:37 PM) |
Even though her move @ the f7 won her the game, it was so obviously the wrong choice.... As I have told you before JSB, Christa was gone next no matter what and Twanda NOT FAIRPLAY was the one who made that obvious to both Christa and Sandra so yeah why the fuck should they have voted with her? I seriously think the only reason people consider this stupid is Burton's penis and Twanda's vagina. Anyways, Sandra is extremely underrated by some and overrated by others. I think her social game is too high and her strategic game, while being filled with mistakes, was overall decent. I think those mistakes should grant her a lower score but whatever. I am really curious to see why she ranked lower then Sugar. A big difference between them is SANDRA used common sense @ the end game while Sugar did not.
Last Edited By: FarnsworthFan
02/02/10 02:41 PM.
Edited 2 times.
|
||
|
Lonter |
|||
|
Posts: 3 (02/02/10 03:01 PM) |
I do have to wonder how Sugar's high ranking will be justified... she's rather overrated right now, IMO.
|
||
|
tomash |
|||
|
Posts: 2988 (02/02/10 03:06 PM) |
The thing I don't get about Sugar being high on this ranking is that Coach placed last. I'd say they're games have a lot in common -- both achieved their goals, either having a "good person" or a "hero" win.
|
||
|
chapera rocks |
|||
|
Posts: 12834 (02/02/10 03:19 PM) Registered User |
FarnsworthFan wrote:The only reason why Sandra's social game is an A is because she would have killed anyone in the final 7 or 8 in the finals. That is a great social game. It was her strongest asset, IMO.Even though her move @ the f7 won her the game, it was so obviously the wrong choice.... The thing I don't get about Sugar being high on this ranking is that Coach placed last. I'd say they're games have a lot in common -- both achieved their goals, either having a "good person" or a "hero" win.That much should be obvious. Coach was a joke who had no control or awareness that he was being used as a pawn the entire time, only to get disposed of last in his alliance because he was the weakest and easiest to predict. Sugar played everyone and controlled the entire game, positioning herself extremely well. The only thing that didn't go as planned was Susie winning the final immunity. I will divulge more on her game when she comes up. |
||
|
soph101 |
|||
|
Posts: 55 (02/02/10 06:39 PM) |
Sugar played everyone and controlled the entire game, positioning herself extremely well. The only thing that didn't go as planned was Susie winning the final immunity. I will divulge more on her game when she comes up. Enjoying this ranking a lot but does any of that actually matter when you're not even playing to win. |
||
|
ilovekelly752 |
|||
|
Posts: 1165 (02/02/10 06:44 PM) |
I think that puts her in the same boat as Stephenie, Rob M., and Russell, because their game fell apart at the end, just like hers. I'm not really sure the whole not wanting to win thing is true. I think she would've loved to win, she just didn't think it was possible. If that is the case, then I love the fact that she's this high, because her game was great other than FTC. If she didn't have the worst FTC performance ever, she would've had Matty and Randy, and a great performance could've gotten her Crystal and Kenny.
|
||
 Axie.rsfd |
|||
|
Posts: 1887 (02/02/10 06:53 PM) |
The three Onions vote for Bob no matter what and Kenny/Crystal would never EVER vote for Sugar. |
||
|
chapera rocks |
|||
|
Posts: 12836 (02/02/10 06:59 PM) Registered User |
Axie wrote:I'm not one that thinks Sugar could have won with a good jury performance. Maybe a phenomenal performance. However, I don't think Crystal or Kenny (especially Crystal) were dead set against Sugar. Crystal was the farthest thing from bitter, and had acknowledged that Sugar played a great game. Sugar probably didn't give her what she was looking for at final TC. |
||
|
Thailandsurvivor |
|||
|
Posts: 9725 (02/02/10 07:29 PM) |
chapera rocks wrote:Uh, after PI ended, I hated Sandra because she undeservedly won. I was extremely pissed off when Lill voted out Fairplay, and I was even more pissed off at the hypocritical jury rewarding Sandra with a win. Sandra said herself during the jury questioning that Lill was the reason the jurors were all on the jury. She voted every single one of them off and was involved in every plan post merge. While my opinion has changed on a few people over time, my hate for Sandra's "strategy" is not a revisionist mindset. I hated her gameplay in PI for doing nothing, and I don't see why other people think differently.
|
||
|
chapera rocks |
|||
|
Posts: 12837 (02/02/10 08:02 PM) Registered User |
Thailandsurvivor wrote:chapera rocks wrote:Uh, after PI ended, I hated Sandra because she undeservedly won. I was extremely pissed off when Lill voted out Fairplay, and I was even more pissed off at the hypocritical jury rewarding Sandra with a win. Sandra said herself during the jury questioning that Lill was the reason the jurors were all on the jury. She voted every single one of them off and was involved in every plan post merge. Well, maybe not you. But clearly it's a matter a matter of perception. You were a Fairplay fan that felt Sandra was undeserving. I wasn't even a Sandra fan at the time, and appreciated her gameplay because she was the only person aside from Burton or Jon to get the game, and actually try to make logical moves, especially once Rupert left. And I still don't get how Lill is some sort of mastermind. She actually didn't strategize at all until the final 5. She put everyone on the jury because she voted how Fairplay and Burton did. Whether or not Sandra made a good argument at final tribal council isn't relevant in my opinion. Amanda gave the shittiest performance ever and I still think she played well. I take things like Christa's claims that Sandra was always scheming with significance. Sandra saying Lill put them all on the jury was an attempt to make them pissed off at her, that much is obvious. |
||
|
JackSparrowBauer |
|||
|
Posts: 4755 (02/02/10 08:58 PM) |
CR, I totally agree that posting epically long replies is draining, so I'll respect that and keep my response to two points.
1. I get the idea that an alliance with Lill and Darrah is more trustworthy than an alliance with JFP and Lill, but her alliance with Lill and Darrah completely failed at F6 BECAUSE she voted T out. Lill was completely loyal to JFP and Burton and keeping both of them together at F6 gave them Lill's vote, too. She put herself in a completely powerless position. Keeping JFP/Burton/Lill together meant that she could be tied at best. T didn't have the power or the numbers to boot Christa at F6. Sandra would've had a much better chance in a 2 vs. 2 vs. 2 situation (if she voted out Burton) than she would've in a 3 vs. 2. vs. 1 situation which happened when she voted out T, and because of that choice, Christa got out at F6. 2. Sandra only won because everyone else always had bigger fish to fry. Those were words out of her own mouth. It's that simple.
|
||
Message board courtesy of Survivor Sucks member support.
Benevolent dictatorship courtesy of Survivor Sucks Admin Idoits.
