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unduli clone		#101	[-]
Posts: 8424 (01/27/10 05:27 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Everybody is doing it! Remove this ad ^ Yeah, substitute teaching doesn't sound bad at all.
WylDawg		#102	[-]
Posts: 21972 (01/27/10 06:21 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	It kinda is. The subs don't do anything.... 75% of the time they leave important work that needs to be done. You can stress it all you want, tell them there's going to be hell to pay if they don't do it, but they still see it as a free period. The other 25% of the time they do indeed leave pointless work that even they know the students will laugh at. And then of course there's those times where there isn't anything at all. The only note you have is "personal work, alone and quiet" Yeah, that'll happen . I flat out tell them on the report that it was the seventh circle of hell so that maybe next time they'll leave something worthwhile. I know sometimes they can't leave anything because of unexpected emergencies, but how hard is it to make yourself a little pile of backup work at the beginning of the year for such cases? At the very least leave some movies, that usually does the trick. But I agree most of the time substituting is basically being a prison guard in the classroom. As long as nothing is set on fire or nobody kills each other, most teachers will be satisfied. ETA: My personal tips for substituting.... 1- Start off being really loud, mean and cold. That sets the tone for the rest of the class. If they're nice, you can start becoming more friendly, but immidiately revert to drill sargent the second there's an incident. When I started subbing, I used to do it the other way around. I thought by being nice at first they would respect me, then I could assert myself...........LOLZ and not the good kind of LOLZ. 2- Only let students out who are working. It'll piss off the others who want to go out for a leak and might even get them to work. On the same note, don't EVER let two people out at the same time. You won't see them again for the next 40 minutes. 3- Immidiately spot a loud, obnoxious kid when they arrive in class and catch his name (shouldn't be too hard). The second the class starts, he will of course refuse to shut the fuck up so then you yell out his name. That freaks everyone out because now they think you know them and they'll constantly be on their guard. 4- Pretend you personally know the teacher you're subbing and that you've talk with him or her minutes before the class started. That also keeps them on their guard. 5- If someone acts out, take action right away, or else everyone will call your bluff. 6- If a kid pisses you off but not enough to expell them from the classroom, simply try switching them somewhere else, you'd be amazed at the difference that can make. 7- It's hard but try never to show anger, that's like opening the floodgates. 8- Tell them you're picking up the work at the end of class and the teacher will look at it, even if it's not true. Telling them otherwise is basically telling them they don't have to do it. Last Edited By: WylDawg 01/27/10 06:37 PM. Edited 1 times.
SirCrocodilep		#103	[-]
Posts: 1898 (01/27/10 07:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	WylDawg wrote: It kinda is. The subs don't do anything.... 75% of the time they leave important work that needs to be done. You can stress it all you want, tell them there's going to be hell to pay if they don't do it, but they still see it as a free period. The other 25% of the time they do indeed leave pointless work that even they know the students will laugh at. And then of course there's those times where there isn't anything at all. The only note you have is "personal work, alone and quiet" Yeah, that'll happen . I flat out tell them on the report that it was the seventh circle of hell so that maybe next time they'll leave something worthwhile. I know sometimes they can't leave anything because of unexpected emergencies, but how hard is it to make yourself a little pile of backup work at the beginning of the year for such cases? At the very least leave some movies, that usually does the trick. But I agree most of the time substituting is basically being a prison guard in the classroom. As long as nothing is set on fire or nobody kills each other, most teachers will be satisfied. ETA: My personal tips for substituting.... 1- Start off being really loud, mean and cold. That sets the tone for the rest of the class. If they're nice, you can start becoming more friendly, but immidiately revert to drill sargent the second there's an incident. When I started subbing, I used to do it the other way around. I thought by being nice at first they would respect me, then I could assert myself...........LOLZ and not the good kind of LOLZ. 2- Only let students out who are working. It'll piss off the others who want to go out for a leak and might even get them to work. On the same note, don't EVER let two people out at the same time. You won't see them again for the next 40 minutes. 3- Immidiately spot a loud, obnoxious kid when they arrive in class and catch his name (shouldn't be too hard). The second the class starts, he will of course refuse to shut the fuck up so then you yell out his name. That freaks everyone out because now they think you know them and they'll constantly be on their guard. 4- Pretend you personally know the teacher you're subbing and that you've talk with him or her minutes before the class started. That also keeps them on their guard. 5- If someone acts out, take action right away, or else everyone will call your bluff. 6- If a kid pisses you off but not enough to expell them from the classroom, simply try switching them somewhere else, you'd be amazed at the difference that can make. 7- It's hard but try never to show anger, that's like opening the floodgates. 8- Tell them you're picking up the work at the end of class and the teacher will look at it, even if it's not true. Telling them otherwise is basically telling them they don't have to do it. Good advice. 1) Dress professional 2) Don't try to be cool. Students will simply take advantage of you 3) Kiss admins and secretary's asses as much as you can and always tell them the positive new. They will contact you again. 4) Follow the lesson plan and thoroughly as possible. If there is any omission, write it down. It will help teachers to maintain the fluidity of lesson. 5) If you are sure that teachers are not teaching certain subjects right (like math), take initiatives. Students will love you even more for providing additional information that even their own teachers won't provide. However, don't go out of the way that teacher may personally feel threaten by you. 6) If a teacher is jerk to you, ignore her/him. The chance is that they would treat teacher aide just as bad. 7) Correct and grade papers.. make notes of it and add if anything need to be added or what. Teachers will probably feel comfortable working with you. 8) Make a lot of noises. Students HATE noises. Extremely effective if classes are in utter chaos.
SirCrocodilep		#104	[-]
Posts: 1899 (01/27/10 07:33 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	9) Union teachers are the biggest bullies out there. Deal with it. You cannot get them fired. They are certified whiners. 10) Don't let teacher aides take over unless there is no lesson plan. Remember, this is your class. This is your opportunity to shine. 11) Never berate Teacher aides. You will lose. They always feel insincere about their lack of degrees, so remain diplomatic at all costs.
seltzer3		#105	[-]
Posts: 1694 (02/04/10 02:51 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think gym class is the worst class to sub. Ugh.
WylDawg		#106	[-]
Posts: 22029 (02/04/10 03:34 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	seltzer3 wrote: I think gym class is the worst class to sub. Ugh. Total agreement! Fucking teens don't bring their gym clothes when they learn beforehand that it's a substitute so they just spend the entire period laying on the bench. The few who do actually bring their clothes will fuck with every piece of equipement they can find and will run around all over the gym like caged animals that have just been freed. Although a lot of highschools here won't allow subs to do gym periods, so if a gym teacher is absent they send them in a vacant classroom to stay there the whole period while you act as a security guard. Not exactly better, but at least they're more contained.
SirCrocodilep		#107	[-]
Posts: 2363 (02/04/10 08:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	WylDawg wrote: seltzer3 wrote: I think gym class is the worst class to sub. Ugh. Total agreement! Fucking teens don't bring their gym clothes when they learn beforehand that it's a substitute so they just spend the entire period laying on the bench. The few who do actually bring their clothes will fuck with every piece of equipement they can find and will run around all over the gym like caged animals that have just been freed. Although a lot of highschools here won't allow subs to do gym periods, so if a gym teacher is absent they send them in a vacant classroom to stay there the whole period while you act as a security guard. Not exactly better, but at least they're more contained. I actually find it easier to manage than most classes. That is only because I have aides.
meatball77		#108	[-]
Posts: 14110 (02/04/10 08:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	seltzer3 wrote: I am a substitute teacher, and I actually made a bunch of backup lesson plans (in case the teacher forgets to bring them, which does happen). I have one generic lesson plan for each subject except for math. Since I am trying to be a math teacher in the future, I am trying to make a generic lesson for each class (Algebra 1, Geometry, Trig, etc.) Some other tips if you want to sub. -Bring a bag of pencils. Students will use the excuse "I don't have a pencil.", so that they don't do work. If they don't have a pencil-->they can't do work--> they have tons of downtime to screw around -->your class becomes hell and you are screwed. However, make sure you get the pencils back. -Bring sticky pads, or notebook paper to leave notes to the teacher, who is screwing around. -Talk to the teachers next door before school starts to have them help you out. -bring a water bottle, your voice becomes really shot, after a crazy period. -Follow through on your punishments immediately! If you are too tentative to punish students, you will get run over. (Also make sure you set your rules to the class very clearly). -A warning. Cell phone/mp3 battles are so annoying with students. The crazy places to sub, are the ones that it seems that the administration is in chaos. I had one class, where 6-7 students just come into class, 15-20 minutes late just out of the blue. The worst part is that the student roster that I was given was jacked up, so it didn't even have the right names. So of course I have no idea who the student's names were, or if they were supposed to be in the right seats. This one student was giving me attitude, so I was trying to send her to the office. But because the student roster was wrong, I didn't know her name, and she refused to give me her name. I tried to ask other students, and they refused to give me her name.(Peer pressure ) So then I just pretended ignored her, but I was secretly eavesdropping. Another classmate blurted her name out talking to her, so I quickly wrote her name on the form, and sent her to the office. ....Only to have her come back 5 minutes later. I'm guessing the office didn't want her, so they just sent her back to me. What sucks, was that school doesn't have a PA system, where you can talk to the office, or a phone . And walking out of the classroom was definitely not an option, since the students would probably lock me out, if I did. You do that for sub pay? Really? Do you not have a life? I sub, they pay me $75 a day. I follow the teachers plans and directions and I tell the kids not to irritate me and to keep the noise down. If they do that (which generally means they're doing their work) I'm happy. I don't sub at the crazy schools. I worked at one where the kids had to be escorted by a security guard if they need to go to the bathroom. I didn't go back. I stick to the suburb schools with the good kids.
seltzer3		#109	[-]
Posts: 1695 (02/04/10 08:48 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	seltzer3 wrote: I think gym class is the worst class to sub. Ugh. Total agreement! Fucking teens don't bring their gym clothes when they learn beforehand that it's a substitute so they just spend the entire period laying on the bench. The few who do actually bring their clothes will fuck with every piece of equipement they can find and will run around all over the gym like caged animals that have just been freed. Although a lot of highschools here won't allow subs to do gym periods, so if a gym teacher is absent they send them in a vacant classroom to stay there the whole period while you act as a security guard. Not exactly better, but at least they're more contained. Yeah, I learned my lesson. I will never sub at a gym class. Bigger room = more chaos. Plus breaking up fights suck. You do that for sub pay? Really? Do you not have a life? I sub, they pay me $75 a day. I follow the teachers plans and directions and I tell the kids not to irritate me and to keep the noise down. If they do that (which generally means they're doing their work) I'm happy. I don't sub at the crazy schools. I worked at one where the kids had to be escorted by a security guard if they need to go to the bathroom. I didn't go back. I stick to the suburb schools with the good kids. Right now I am in two huge school pools. One that has a lot of suburban schools, and one that has a lot of urban schools. The thing is that there aren't that many teachers that are absent from the suburban schools, and those slots get taken so fast. On the other hand, tons of teachers at the Urban schools are absent like crazy, so there are a ton of slots open. Its a basic supply and demand. So in terms of probability, I will land in an urban school as a sub more often. Although sometimes the scary thing is when you are a sub...and almost 3/4 of the teachers are subs for that day . Also, not all urban schools are terrible. I've actually been to several urban schools, in which students are actually for the most part pretty respectable. And on the flip side, there are some suburban schools in which kids are ridiculous (the gym class I subbed for was actually a suburban school. And they were probably the worst behaved kids I have met Urban/or Suburban) The most important thing is to have schools, in which the administrators have your back. I would be at this one urban school, where kids are giving me complete attitude. I call the office, and an administrator just flew right into the room within 10 seconds. She just ran to the kids and just screamed at their faces telling them to shut up, and they listened. She was completely on their asses, and just completely kicked some of the students who were completely giving attitude. Because of that, I was able to resume my lessons. She also helped me call every parent of the misbehaved children during my free period. So yeah, having good administrators/principals are key. If the school doesn't have a good administrators....you are so screwed. Plus after going through hell in some of these schools, it does actually prepare me a lot when I do my student teaching, and become a regular teacher in the future. I just think to myself that it is going to be a lot smoother when I become an actual teacher. But yeah, if you want to be an actual teacher in the future, try subbing at an urban school. You do get a ton of experience. However, if you are just subbing as a part time job, subbing at an urban school might not be good for you. Plus subbing at an urban school, I get to share these awesome stories for you guys Last Edited By: seltzer3 02/04/10 09:00 PM. Edited 2 times.
sniffles11		#110	[-]
Posts: 5614 (02/04/10 08:54 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Everybody is doing it! Remove this ad I love reading teacher stories. Keep 'em coming.
ItsAlanisbitch		#111	[-]
Posts: 2520 (02/04/10 08:58 PM) Thief Reply Quote More Recent Posts	oohh yes. More sub stories please. And my teacher friend said that the state of CA pays $100 per day... woot! But we get raped in everything else so... Is cert for subbing easy??
seltzer3		#112	[-]
Posts: 1696 (02/04/10 09:06 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	oohh yes. More sub stories please. And my teacher friend said that the state of CA pays $100 per day... woot! But we get raped in everything else so... Is cert for subbing easy?? Um, to sub all you need is a Bachelor's in really any subject. (this is only for short term). In order to be certified to sub for a long term (maternity leave), you have to have a Bachelor in the subject you would teach. For example I have a Bachelor's in Mathematics, so I am qualified to teach long term for all math teachers.
WylDawg		#113	[-]
Posts: 22038 (02/04/10 09:20 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yeah, there is one school in my district that I avoid like plague. Last time I was there, the principal told me that seven teachers bailed out (It was mid-October), some right in the middle of their shifts and never came back. He begged me to stay and take the gig for the rest of the year. I only had the morning shift (which means 3 groups). I don't really know what it looks like it war-ridden third world countries, but I'm sure this was worst. You couldn't keep them from running around the class and fighting, let alone teach something. When I came out the principle was looking at me and he was like "So.......................?" I said "eight......." When dispatch calls me they are sneaky because they ask you if you're available, THEN clarify which school you're going to. So when they tell me to go to that school after I said I was available, then I just go "Oh no, wait, I already have something elsewhere. It slipped my mind, sorry......." They know I'm bullshitting them. I have so many fucked up sub teacher stories that I don't know where to start. In a school nearby the one I just mentionned, I once had 3 kids from the same class telling there moms were strippers. One of them even said "One of my dads......." And my teacher friend said that the state of CA pays $100 per day 167$ here actually. But that's before taxes and everything, so yeah, closer to 100. You could easily live off of this job, but you don't get called in everyday. So if you work one day, then you don't get called the next one, that 100 just turned to 50. Last Edited By: WylDawg 02/04/10 09:22 PM. Edited 1 times.
sniffles11		#114	[-]
Posts: 5615 (02/04/10 09:26 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I have so many fucked up sub teacher stories that I don't know where to start. In a school nearby the one I just mentionned, I once had 3 kids from the same class telling there moms were strippers. One of them even said "One of my dads......." Did you get their digits?
meatball77		#115	[-]
Posts: 14111 (02/04/10 09:28 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	$100 a day makes sense for CA, minimum wage is higher there. That's still under $13 an hour. No one needs more than a Bachelors to sub, some places can require more because it's really hard to get a teaching job and people will sub to try to get a job, some places with teacher shortages and no shortage of jobs for people with degrees allow substitutes with an associates or even just a high school diploma, and pay varies on your level of education and if you're certified or a retired teacher from the district . My mother did a long term sub for Drama and she's a retired math teacher. In her district in Oklahoma they're just happy to have someone that's not an idiot. With their being a major teacher shortage everyone that is certified already has a job. I'd agree fully about administrators. I've found in subbing and in teaching that the administration is really what makes a school. Politicians like to blame teachers for the problems in schools when really it's the administration. A good administrator can make a lazy teacher into a great teacher through proper teacher supervision (although some union contracts are very anti-teacher supervision and remove all power from administrators) and create an environment in a school where students know and understand how they're supposed to behave and what consequences they will face if they choose not to behave.
growsonwalls		#116	[-]
Posts: 3570 (02/04/10 09:39 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Some more advice: if a school has a big immigrant population (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc.), go to that school. The kids might not know a word of English, but they know how to respect the teacher.
thecolbster		#117	[-]
Posts: 1948 (02/04/10 09:45 PM) You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Gym class is the worst? I would've guessed band class. I still remember ninth grade when we had a sub, all traded instruments we couldn't play, and the sub was in tears.
WylDawg		#118	[-]
Posts: 22042 (02/04/10 09:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	growsonwalls wrote: Some more advice: if a school has a big immigrant population (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc.), go to that school. The kids might not know a word of English, but they know how to respect the teacher. I hope not too many people come in this thread because I will be hunted down and killed for what I'm about to post, but I indeed noticed that most Asian kids tend to be the nicest and quietest kids in the class while black kids are the most disruptive (boys especially). I've been in the field for 8 years so call me a racist all you want or tell me this is bullshit generalization, but I'm just telling you what I've seen during my career. It in no way changes my opinion about racial groups either way. Kids are kids afterall. The worst students I ever had though were always white. They're always product of the extremes of parenting: Too permissive (or absent), too spoiled or too authoritive
goner1		#119	[-]
Posts: 7855 (02/04/10 09:56 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	i knew one woman who subbed but didn't even have high school completion, she kept it a secret though. however many subs here are just a parent of a kid at the school (likely completed high school, but no training at all).
sniffles11		#120	[-]
Posts: 5619 (02/04/10 09:59 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Everybody is doing it! Remove this ad goner, that might be okay, if your sub plans are "play this video tape". However, if you leave proper sub plans, that's probably not a good idea to have that huge of an undereducated sub.

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