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Posts: 1438 (02/06/10 02:13 PM) Registered user |
Hmm, I dumped out a Phantom Felicia on the commode this morning, it felt even better.
I hate you guys so much I can't even describe it! Stop dragging me into your evil games!  You know I'm right. Your denial is a normal human response, though, I understand. |
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Posts: 9632 (02/06/10 02:14 PM) Once you go Jack... |
a Phantom Felicia or was that supposed to be Phantom comma Felicia comma?
either way  eta - where I come from we dump in the commode
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Posts: 1439 (02/06/10 02:18 PM) Registered user |
No, Phantom was the adjective.
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Posts: 1460 (02/06/10 03:25 PM) MESS member |
Since we are disagreeing on the meaning of Jack and Sawyer's conversation , can we at least agree it was unneeded? I've always thought it was odd that they had to discuss Kate right before Jack was about to detonate an H-bomb. In his other conversations about the bomb it was all about preventing them from crashing onto the island and then right before he's about to do it he starts talking about Kate. I remember rolling my eyes and thinking what the hell does Kate have to do with it. That conversation seemed like it was for all the fans who care about the Kate, Jack, and Sawyer love triangle.
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Posts: 1442 (02/06/10 03:48 PM) Registered user |
Yes, I can agree with that to a certain extent. But I think the writers wanted us to see that everyone's motives are suspect...not just Jack's. They just used Jack as an example here.
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Posts: 9634 (02/06/10 06:23 PM) Once you go Jack... |
Since we are disagreeing on the meaning of Jack and Sawyer's conversation , can we at least agree it was unneeded? I've always thought it was odd that they had to discuss Kate right before Jack was about to detonate an H-bomb. In his other conversations about the bomb it was all about preventing them from crashing onto the island and then right before he's about to do it he starts talking about Kate.I can agree with that because of this: "In his other conversations about the bomb it was all about preventing them from crashing onto the island" lizzo, I luv you too *smooch* |
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Posts: 1443 (02/06/10 07:13 PM) Registered user |
Sweet!
Group hug : ) |
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Posts: 9638 (02/06/10 08:46 PM) Once you go Jack... |
I groped you
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phantomkp |
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Posts: 916 (02/06/10 09:20 PM) Registered user |
Cheyenie wrote: I dont think it was unneeded at all. Jack had already been set right, by most people he talked to...that they didnt want to go back to their horrible lives off island. They told that to his face. Jack has always had "for the group" reasons or "its just the right thing to do!" or "i just wanna fix it!" reasons for his actions...that was sooo season 1-4. All Jacks conversations here are very important cause it shows just how much the layers have peeled from his self righteous, often hypocritical, character. First its about saving everyone and fixing everything (typical Jack) Then, we see him admiting what he was doing was probably more selfish than anything. (to end his Kate pain) No other reason. Despite everyone else telling him they dont want to go back...hes gonna do it anyways, and now hes admiting why. Thats a Jack breakthrough. And finally, this dovetails into his final conversation with Kate, telling her, he is doing it because its his purpose to do so and he has never felt more right about anything in his life...weve seen Jack go from typical BS jack, to admitting his selfishness and ego, to letting go and suddenly being a man of faith and destiny? I dont see why any of you think ANY of that is unnessecary...geez. :p Its a great progression of character development. And that particular "unneeded" conversation also made a great compliment to Juliets similar conversation with Sawyer...they basically told Sawyer the same thing. Which is a nice call back to Juliet/Jack in season 3..and how they bonded over their exact same level of wanting to leave the island on that sub no matter what. |
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Posts: 9641 (02/06/10 09:41 PM) Once you go Jack... |
Well when you put it that way.. I still don't totally agree. I see all the evidence pointing to Kate being the main reason, but I can't see it being his only reason. If the last few years hadn't been so fucked up in any way than his relationship with Kate, then no I don't think he'd want a reset. He knew he was taking a huge risk, that it might not work and they'd all blow the hell up. He wouldn't go thru all that just to UNknow Kate. I think Locke "killing himself" played a big part in his decision to finish Daniel's work. I mean.. dude almost jumped off a bridge after Locke's death, remember? Of course Locke was never specifically mentioned.. but I know Jack. ;)
I do see your point though. phantom, do you think my season 6 avatar suits me? |
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Posts: 921 (02/06/10 09:46 PM) Registered user |
To a T
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Posts: 922 (02/06/10 09:51 PM) Registered user |
FeliciaM7 wrote:Right. But it wasnt his only reason. If the Kate pain thing was the only reason he gave for blowing up the bomb..i would agree with Cheyenie that it was lame. But it was one of a handful of reasons he gave throughout that episode. It was the progression of his reasoning that is interesting, and thus necessary. Just like Juliet's reasoning for wanting the bomb to go off, i do believe Jacks Kate pain reasoning is PART of his desire to reset things. But certainly not his ONLY reason. No one said that, not even Jack. So in that respect i have NO problem with what he said to Sawyer. It was honest, and it was a necessary part to his collection of reasonings for trying to go through with a reset despite the major resistence against him. |
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Posts: 9644 (02/06/10 09:53 PM) Once you go Jack... |
phantomkp wrote: Yay!!! <3 |
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Posts: 9645 (02/06/10 10:03 PM) Once you go Jack... |
It was the progression of his reasoning that is interesting, and thus necessary.Ok, I'll agree with that. I admit I cringed when he said "I had her and I lost her". One thing I will never question, doubt or deny is that Jack fell in love with Kate back in season one and still loves her no matter what. And this has nothing to do with the subject but I think she loves him, too.. more than she ever "loved" Sawyer. I'm not trying to be all JATER here or anything, but when Kate woke up in the tree and saw both men wounded and still, who did she go to first? Ok, back on subject: It does seem Juliet's primary (if not only) reason for wanting to help Jack is because she (wrongly) believed Sawyer didn't love her & he'd eventually choose Kate over her. So if she was so willing to put her OWN life in danger... why is everyone still blaming Jack???!!!!!!! |
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Posts: 106 (02/06/10 10:10 PM) |
It wasn't Jack's fault. Although I do understand why Sawyer would be angry at Jack and think it's his fault, through his process of grieving.
Juliet should have stayed on the damn sub. Her and Sawyer could have gone and bet on Superbowls and bought Microsoft ;) She's the one that chose to go and stop the bomb and then to detonate it. I don't think everyone is blaming Jack. Just a small few. |
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Posts: 927 (02/07/10 02:13 AM) Registered user |
FeliciaM7 wrote:Jack-hate...and Kate-hate...is blind. Simple as that! You cant expect people with such blind hate to think rationally :) |
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Posts: 6321 (02/07/10 04:38 AM) |
FeliciaM7 wrote:phantomkp wrote: Indeed :) |
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Posts: 9721 (02/10/10 01:54 AM) Once you go Jack... |
I missed Juliet even more tonight. I got all weepy when Sawyer told Kate that he was going to ask Juliet to marry him... and when he threw the ring in the water. |
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Posts: 941 (02/10/10 05:44 AM) Registered user |
Whats with guys throwing rings into the water on this show??
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Posts: 7919 (02/10/10 08:08 AM) Registered User |
FeliciaM7 wrote:Me too. Juliet and Sawyer were my favorite couple on the show. I enjoyed how supportive they were of each other unlike......the other couple. Fucking Kate. She's responsible for this!!1!1 |
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