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streetlightrox		#2181	[-]
Posts: 134 (02/09/10 04:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Live life like there is no ads! Remove this ad Cirie>Parvati
Thailandsurvivor		#2182	[-]
Posts: 9861 (02/09/10 04:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Amanda's China game is far better than both Cirie and Parvati in Micronesia. She was always in control, never in danger, and no one was bitter at her in the end. A better jury speech wins it. Also, if Micronesia was a final three like China, neither Parvati nor Cirie would have won either. Last Edited By: Thailandsurvivor 02/09/10 04:53 PM. Edited 1 times.
Thailandsurvivor		#2183	[-]
Posts: 9862 (02/09/10 04:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: kenc333 wrote: This may be the fanboy in me, but how is Chinamanda out before Candice? Amanda set up a great endgame and made one mistake at the very end, whereas Candice didn't even get to touch an endgame to potentially screw up. And Amanda was aware of her own strengths and weaknesses: "[Todd]'s connected with people like I haven't", but she was hoping for a bitter jury to be mad at him and it just wasn't the case. I thought Amanda's game in China was one of the strongest by any female player. She was always in control, always in game-mode and her game imploded on day 39, rather than day 27 or whenever Candice left... Don't you agree keeping Denise would have been better? Like I said, Amanda had all the right stuff, but she lost because she so poorly read the entire jury, who she'd spent so long with. That's why I took her down before the other 6 remaining. I don't think keeping Denise would have been better because Todd might be bitter (He would be an absolute hypocrite to, but he has said that he would vote for Courtney had he left anyways). Denise did have support from James and her sob story may have clinched one or two more votes, you never know. I think she should have voted for Courtney and kept her promise to Denise. That wouldn't have made up for her awful final TC performance, though.
Thailandsurvivor		#2184	[-]
Posts: 9863 (02/09/10 04:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	ilovekelly752 wrote: soph101 wrote: I love Colby but I don't really get how he's in the top 7. Australian Outback wasn't a very strategic season, and he made one of the biggest mistakes ever which was taking Tina to the final two. I think he gets credit for doing what I've only seen Todd, Parvati, Ian, Stephenie, and only a few others do before, which is to betray an alliance member, then somehow still convince them to stay on your side after you just screwed them. He really had Jerri believing he wanted to go to the final two with her, even after he blindsided her by voting out Mitchell, and he was still loyal to Tina. I thought he was great. He did make that horrible mistake though. I'd put him #2 out of all 29 if he took Keith and won, but I think top 6 is reasonable. Also, in a season where past votes are the tiebreaker (a game much more complex than what it is today) he convinced Kucha to send their votes his way instead of to Jerri or Keith. Brilliant move right there. Tina gets credit for keeping Rodger and Lis on their side, but Colby deserves some credit for that, too. One "bad" move does not kill the rest of his near perfect game, and he almost won anyways.
Lexxan		#2185	[-]
Posts: 1573 (02/09/10 04:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Colby played a nearly flawless game until he voted Keith out. He dominated Physically, got along with everybody and always made sure he had a certain degree of controll in the Tribe. The only problem I can think if is that he didn't bother to excessively bond with the swing votes (Jerri and Alicia), which would and should given him the edge over the slightly more popular Tina (who had lock-in votes in Keith and Elisabeth)
Thailandsurvivor		#2186	[-]
Posts: 9866 (02/09/10 04:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Lexxan wrote: Colby played a nearly flawless game until he voted Keith out. He dominated Physically, got along with everybody and always made sure he had a certain degree of controll in the Tribe. The only problem I can think if is that he didn't bother to excessively bond with the swing votes (Jerri and Alicia), which would and should given him the edge over the slightly more popular Tina (who had lock-in votes in Keith and Elisabeth) If he bonded with Jerri, he would not be nearly as entertaining. His openly mocking of her was why I liked him originally.
ilovekelly752		#2187	[-]
Posts: 1221 (02/09/10 05:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Thailandsurvivor wrote: ilovekelly752 wrote: soph101 wrote: I love Colby but I don't really get how he's in the top 7. Australian Outback wasn't a very strategic season, and he made one of the biggest mistakes ever which was taking Tina to the final two. I think he gets credit for doing what I've only seen Todd, Parvati, Ian, Stephenie, and only a few others do before, which is to betray an alliance member, then somehow still convince them to stay on your side after you just screwed them. He really had Jerri believing he wanted to go to the final two with her, even after he blindsided her by voting out Mitchell, and he was still loyal to Tina. I thought he was great. He did make that horrible mistake though. I'd put him #2 out of all 29 if he took Keith and won, but I think top 6 is reasonable. Also, in a season where past votes are the tiebreaker (a game much more complex than what it is today) he convinced Kucha to send their votes his way instead of to Jerri or Keith. Brilliant move right there. Tina gets credit for keeping Rodger and Lis on their side, but Colby deserves some credit for that, too. One "bad" move does not kill the rest of his near perfect game, and he almost won anyways. Wow, I'm agreeing with TS and CR in one day. I think that's a first.
Lexxan		#2188	[-]
Posts: 1575 (02/09/10 05:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	@ ThaiSu: Ha, Point taken, but Alicia's vote was imo still up for grabs. And in Jerri's case, Jerri still was under the delusion of Colby liking her to the point of her blindside. He still could've grabbed her vote at FTC. (I'll need to rewatch the Outback FTC before I make any more comments tho - It's been a while when I last saw it , and it wasn't too exciting or memorable either). Last Edited By: Lexxan 02/09/10 05:07 PM. Edited 1 times.
Thailandsurvivor		#2189	[-]
Posts: 9868 (02/09/10 05:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Lexxan wrote: @ ThaiSu: Ha, Point taken, but Alicia's vote was imo still up for grabs. And in Jerri's case, Jerri still was under the delusion of Colby liking her to the point of her blindside. He still could've grabbed her vote at FTC. (I'll need to rewatch the Outback FTC before I make any more comments tho - It's been a while when I last saw it , and it wasn't too exciting or memorable either). Tina bashed Jerri to her face about the beef jerky incident, yet she still voted for Tina.
ilovekelly752		#2190	[-]
Posts: 1222 (02/09/10 05:18 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Live life like there is no ads! Remove this ad IDK about Alicia, since she said she liked Colby better, but voted for Tina since she played strategically.
Lexxan		#2191	[-]
Posts: 1576 (02/09/10 05:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think Colby naming Jerri one of the "least deserving Jurors" (Was that Liz' or Alicia's question?) was what seemed to hurt him. Jerri definitely must've seen Colby as a close friend and ally (and much more!), but him dissing her in is statement must've hurt her more than Tina bashing Jerri (I mean, no surprise there). From my PoV, she felt betrayed by Colby and voted Tina out of spite. I highly doubt she saw Tina as a superior player.
kenc333		#2192	[-]
Posts: 10387 (02/09/10 05:21 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: kenc333 wrote: This may be the fanboy in me, but how is Chinamanda out before Candice? Amanda set up a great endgame and made one mistake at the very end, whereas Candice didn't even get to touch an endgame to potentially screw up. And Amanda was aware of her own strengths and weaknesses: "[Todd]'s connected with people like I haven't", but she was hoping for a bitter jury to be mad at him and it just wasn't the case. I thought Amanda's game in China was one of the strongest by any female player. She was always in control, always in game-mode and her game imploded on day 39, rather than day 27 or whenever Candice left... Don't you agree keeping Denise would have been better? Like I said, Amanda had all the right stuff, but she lost because she so poorly read the entire jury, who she'd spent so long with. That's why I took her down before the other 6 remaining. Well, my thoughts are that Amanda was thinking that Denise had 2 locked votes going in (James and Jean-Robert), who she could potentially swing over to her side if Denise wasn't there, because she was close with James in China and Jean-Robert hated Courtney and felt more burned by Todd. It almost worked because James was going to vote for Amanda (he crossed her name off his parchment, I believe =/) and changed it to Courtney last minute. Going into the FTC, she probably knew Frosti was between Todd or Courtney, and whoever she voted out at the F4 would vote against her (she said something like that during the show.) PG has also said that after that one day of bonding at the F5, she went into the FTC between Amanda or Todd, but her awful FTC put her between Todd and Courtney. She always had Erik who she was always close with (Amanda's still the only 3rd placer to ever get a vote at FTC), and I don't know how Jaime felt about any of them... So voting out Denise gave her 2 potential votes to sway over with a convincing speech (), in addition to two of PG/Erik/Jaime, which would get her a victory. I apologize in advance for bashing your faves, cr, but I really don't see much that Candice did that Amanda didn't do (or do better.) If Amanda had a bad read on the other players (not knowing what criteria the jury would base their votes on), then Candice had a bad read on Jonathan (who she was with from Day 1), assuming he'd stay loyal to her. Then she had a bad read on Sundra, when she was hoping she'd abandon Aitu with her. And Candice never got close to facing the jury, so we don't know if she'd be able to read the jury or give a great FTC performance and I don't think we can assume the best possible hypothetical scenario, lest we name someone like Mike Borassi as the greatest player of all time. =P Last Edited By: kenc333 02/09/10 08:55 PM. Edited 1 times.
ilovekelly752		#2193	[-]
Posts: 1223 (02/09/10 05:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Lexxan wrote: I think Colby naming Jerri one of the "least deserving Jurors" (Was that Liz' or Alicia's question?) was what seemed to hurt him. Jerri definitely must've seen Colby as a close friend and ally (and much more!), but him dissing her in is statement must've hurt her more than Tina bashing Jerri (I mean, no surprise there). From my PoV, she felt betrayed by Colby and voted Tina out of spite. I highly doubt she saw Tina as a superior player. sounds like Eliza's jury speech
kmill		#2194	[-]
Posts: 2272 (02/09/10 05:27 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	People give China Amanda too much credit. I can't remember her saying a single thing that was insightful and she CLEARLY did not have a legitimate relationship with anyone in the damn jury because COURTNEY got more votes than her. Any "quiet, slightly-strategic MOR female" that works around camp should have been able to win over more than Courtney! Face it, Amanda is just another pretentious girl who doesn't have conversations of substance. I know some people may not have much experience meeting people in the real world, but they exist in great numbers! She was never friends with Cirie and is (reportedly) no longer friends with former F2 alliance-partner Parvati--two of the most alluring Survivors ever on the show. As for Cirie & Parvati: Cirie HAD to play harder to overcome her handicap (read: age) and did pretty damn well considering she merged as part of the minority tribe. However, anyone who saw Exile Island should know that Cirie would have played differently with a F2--she is one of the only contestants to openly target potential F2 goats. With that said, Cirie played flawlessly when considering a F3 and would have likely scooped up a few "fan" votes in addition to Eliza. For the course that she had to maneuver, Parvati also played flawlessly. Yes, there are several "what ifs", but I have a hard time believing she wouldn't be able to hold her own against Jonathan (who, let's recall wasn't even in a favorable position within the alliance with Becky, Yul, and Candice). Ultimately, what it all comes down to is that Amanda chose to take Parvati--so she must have done something better. End of story. My opinion: Cirie is the most likely to win a F3, Amanda has no shot.
unduli clone		#2195	[-]
Posts: 8553 (02/09/10 05:46 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think that if Amanda had taken Denise then Courtney would've won. Amanda would've continued with her FTC performance of apologizing and would've apologized for voting out Todd, while Courtney would've (rightfully) received credit for it (remember that she was pushing to get him out at F4 but Amanda wouldn't budge). That jury was about gameplay and would've given the million to Courtney, for sure.
ilovekelly752		#2196	[-]
Posts: 1224 (02/09/10 05:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	kmill wrote: People give China Amanda too much credit. I can't remember her saying a single thing that was insightful and she CLEARLY did not have a legitimate relationship with anyone in the damn jury because COURTNEY got more votes than her. Any "quiet, slightly-strategic MOR female" that works around camp should have been able to win over more than Courtney! Face it, Amanda is just another pretentious girl who doesn't have conversations of substance. I know some people may not have much experience meeting people in the real world, but they exist in great numbers! She was never friends with Cirie and is (reportedly) no longer friends with former F2 alliance-partner Parvati--two of the most alluring Survivors ever on the show. As for Cirie & Parvati: Cirie HAD to play harder to overcome her handicap (read: age) and did pretty damn well considering she merged as part of the minority tribe. However, anyone who saw Exile Island should know that Cirie would have played differently with a F2--she is one of the only contestants to openly target potential F2 goats. With that said, Cirie played flawlessly when considering a F3 and would have likely scooped up a few "fan" votes in addition to Eliza. For the course that she had to maneuver, Parvati also played flawlessly. Yes, there are several "what ifs", but I have a hard time believing she wouldn't be able to hold her own against Jonathan (who, let's recall wasn't even in a favorable position within the alliance with Becky, Yul, and Candice). Ultimately, what it all comes down to is that Amanda chose to take Parvati--so she must have done something better. End of story. My opinion: Cirie is the most likely to win a F3, Amanda has no shot. I don't know what I like better: that post or that avatar.
Thailandsurvivor		#2197	[-]
Posts: 9870 (02/09/10 05:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	kmill wrote: As for Cirie & Parvati: Cirie HAD to play harder to overcome her handicap (read: age) and did pretty damn well considering she merged as part of the minority tribe. However, anyone who saw Exile Island should know that Cirie would have played differently with a F2--she is one of the only contestants to openly target potential F2 goats. With that said, Cirie played flawlessly when considering a F3 and would have likely scooped up a few "fan" votes in addition to Eliza. For the course that she had to maneuver, Parvati also played flawlessly. Yes, there are several "what ifs", but I have a hard time believing she wouldn't be able to hold her own against Jonathan (who, let's recall wasn't even in a favorable position within the alliance with Becky, Yul, and Candice). Ultimately, what it all comes down to is that Amanda chose to take Parvati--so she must have done something better. End of story. My opinion: Cirie is the most likely to win a F3, Amanda has no shot. If we're judging off of post show interviews (which everyone has when telling me Natalie was gone at the final 4 even with a final two), then Cirie still goes to the final three with two tight allies who would take each other to the end. If we're judging by logic, then Cirie votes out Parvati with Natalie, and either Cirie or Natalie win the game depending on who is against Amanda. I don't care what your opinion is. From the show and post show interviews, we know Amanda has three votes locked up. (James, Ozzy, Erik) We know Cirie has two votes locked up. (Alexis and Eliza) We know Parvati has one vote. (Natalie). Jason is the swing vote, and there is no evidence that supports he would vote for Cirie over Parvati. None. At the very least, even if he does, Amanda has a tie. I still think Amanda's game in Micornesia was absolute shit, but, just like Sandra, Jenna, Aras, and Bob, she would have won. Parvati and Cirie would have lost. Amanda lost. Amanda held more control during the game than either Cirie or Parvati did. (No idol at the final 6, either a 66% chance Cirie or Paravti leaves and the fans have majority OR Cirie sides with the fans to avoid a purple rock and Amanda leaves, giving Natalie and Alexis an easy trip to the finals). China Amanda was never in danger of leaving, even if China was a final two, Courtney and Todd would have taken her to the finals. That cannot be said about either Parvati or Cirie.
ilovekelly752		#2198	[-]
Posts: 1225 (02/09/10 05:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	unduli clone wrote: I think that if Amanda had taken Denise then Courtney would've won. Amanda would've continued with her FTC performance of apologizing and would've apologized for voting out Todd, while Courtney would've (rightfully) received credit for it (remember that she was pushing to get him out at F4 but Amanda wouldn't budge). That jury was about gameplay and would've given the million to Courtney, for sure. IIRC, (which I don't always) didn't Courtney push hard for Todd to stay? If Amanda voted out Todd, it would've been a tie, and if there's one person Todd could beat in a challenge, it's Denise. Amanda thought she had power that she didn't have. Denise, Courtney, and Todd were 3/5, and Todd and Courtney were 2/4, so the most she could've done to change things in either of those situations was a tie in F4. Again, I could be remembering wrong though. Anyway, if it is Denise, Amanda, and Courtney in the final three, this is how I see the votes going. Jaime- Courtney (her original choice) Jean Robert- Denise (anyone but the actual F3) Frosti- Courtney (maybe Amanda, but definitely not Denise) James- Denise (maybe Courtney, but he liked Denise) Erik- Amanda (loved her, no real relationship with Denise) Peih-Gee- Amanda (she said she was voting on gameplay) Todd- Courtney (he said so) Definitely not Denise, but I'd give the slight edge to Courtney over Amanda. Frosti would be the swing vote between the two.
kenc333		#2199	[-]
Posts: 10388 (02/09/10 05:58 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	unduli clone wrote: I think that if Amanda had taken Denise then Courtney would've won. Amanda would've continued with her FTC performance of apologizing and would've apologized for voting out Todd, while Courtney would've (rightfully) received credit for it (remember that she was pushing to get him out at F4 but Amanda wouldn't budge). That jury was about gameplay and would've given the million to Courtney, for sure. I don't remember this ever happening... I thought Courtney wanted Denise gone? And I agree with ThaiSu's post. Another question I have to ask is why do people assume that Jason would vote for Cirie if not Parvati? Why wouldn't he vote for Amanda? Amanda charmed all the men, and they went on a reward together... I'm not saying that Amanda had a better or worse chance of getting Jason's vote, but it's always the option that's excluded...
Thailandsurvivor		#2200	[-]
Posts: 9872 (02/09/10 06:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Live life like there is no ads! Remove this ad We know Jason's vote is going to either Parvati or Cirie because he voted for Parvati over Amanda on the show. And Courtney told Amanda that she would do whatever Amanda wanted.

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