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2/9/10 Ep3 "What Kate Does"
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Posts: 128 (02/09/10 11:26 PM) |
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FeliciaM7 |
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Posts: 9719 (02/09/10 11:29 PM) Once you go Jack... |
Weren't you the last one to post in the spoiler thread? O-o
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Miles Edgeworth |
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Posts: 3668 (02/09/10 11:32 PM) |
This episode has done nothing but helped my theory along. Poor Kate will be forced to go back to Jack now that Sawyer dont want her anymore. Green man to take on the smoke monster pls
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nic2200 |
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Posts: 129 (02/09/10 11:33 PM) |
Dammit..... can someone else post on that thread before I lose my credibility as a theorist????? Pretty please????
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castratos the glorious |
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Posts: 541 (02/09/10 11:36 PM) |
What I took away from tonight's episode.
1. The pill. It looked odd, like it was filled with grey ashes. My thoughts were the pill was supposed to "kill" the infection growing inside Sayid by poisoning him with the ashes. The way Dogen went after Jack to stop him from taking it made me think that a non-infected person taking the pill would probably be overtaken by its properties resulting in death. 2. I also find it odd why Dogen basically begged Sawyer to stay at the temple, as if his presence was critical. The same goes for Jack, Hurley, Jin and Kate. I'm beginning to think the reason why these temple others are so keen on keeping them safe is because in another alternate timeline they are ancestors to the others but can't be revealed until the right moment. Who knows. 3. The black other who accompanied Jin and Kate in the jungle mentioned something about Rosseau being dead until Aldo told him to shut up. Is it possible that Rosseau was infected as well, or "claimed", and was in cahoots with smokey/MIB to help the survivors of 815 off the island in order to free himself so he can go home? |
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Posts: 5926 (02/10/10 12:06 AM) Registered user |
No, I think he was gonna mention it was probably a Claire trap.
She is the new Rosseau |
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chidelta |
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Posts: 1298 (02/10/10 12:49 AM) Registered user |
Okay, so I may be missing something, but I'm going to assume that it was this temple group that snatched Claire from the jungle after she died from injuries sustained in the explosion, and put her in ye old tainted fountain of youth (callously leaving behind her baby, by the way). Otherwise how would Mr. sensitive ponytail crounching tiger guy know about her, right? If that's true, then the track record so far for the reviving the dead trick is Ben (black heart), Claire (black heart) and Sayid (blackness creeping toward his heart). You would think those chuckleheads would learn to stay away from the Pet Sematary by now.
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Posts: 1 (02/10/10 12:56 AM) |
-Sayid has the WEIRDEST look when he thanks Jack -Also, He sniveled like a bitch when being tortured. Very unSayid-like -There's some reason THEY cant give Dark Sayid the poison. is it full of ant-smoky ash? I think I saw Dogey Howser making it up outta some sorta ground up root, -Kate & Claire driving around in a stolen cab with every cop in L.A. on the lookout for it was kinda silly I GUESS I would concede it's a bit of a set-up episode but there was some great WOW moments --------- LA X pt2 Pop-up notes: -They went out of their way NOT to say Claire was on the flight w/ the others -circle of ash around the cabin had been broken allowing Smokey to TAKE OVER the cabin -Frogurt is the actual NAME of the character and not a Sawyer knick-name(i didn't know that) -Dogen was indeed hoping the spring would heal his hand as opposed to giving a blood sacrifice as someone posted |
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nic2200 |
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Posts: 131 (02/10/10 01:05 AM) |
chidelta wrote:Claire died? I don't think I'm buying that at the moment. She didn't look that bad. Maybe they tried to heal her in the pool and it was murky so it didn't work and she got the "sickness". (Have I mentioned how much I HATE this sort of tie in to the Danielle's friends' "sickness"???? Aweful....) Sayid wasn't dead either when he went into the pool. I do believe however that when the pool is clear, it has healing power and that's what fixed little Ben which is grossly different from what happened to murky pool Sayid. I don't think there is any evidence that Ben has a "black heart". As a matter of fact he was the leader of the Others after his revival which one would assume meant he wasn't a "black heart" AKA anti-Jacob. |
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Posts: 6 (02/10/10 01:22 AM) |
^^^^ Agreed about Sayid sniveling like a bitch when being tortured. Even my 16 year old son (who watches very sporadically) thought that was odd. Prior to that it seemed like Sayid was very dazed and dopey, like Claire was after her Dharma hut exploded. Guess that's how you act when you're mostly dead.
I don't know about the temple folk taking Claire in.....if she was infected, wouldn't they just shove a magic pill down her throat? Or did they need one of her pals to convince her to take it? Either way, I don't know how crouching tiger guy knew that she was Jack's sister. Only Jack knew that (and maybe Kate, but she wasn't there). Was that little bit of info on Jacob's note too? And I'm not a Kate hater, nor a Kate lover. Mostly she just annoys me. But what was with her bursting into tears on the dock? The guy just lost the love of his life and he told your stupid ass to go back to the temple. Deal with it and leave him alone. Was she crying because she felt bad for him? Or just crying because he wasn't jumping back into bed with her? Jeez woman, leave him alone. Sorry, Kate lovers, but I just found her incredibly selfish in this scene. |
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Posts: 190 (02/10/10 01:38 AM) |
nic2200 wrote:I think you may be right about Ben not having a "black heart", though the Ben that we watched for years as the leader of the others certainly had one. I don't think we've ever actually seen the Ben who was revived in the pool. When Sayid, Jack, Kate and Hurley landed in the past, Faraday said to Jack "you're not supposed to be here". Later, Faraday himself seemed to think when he died that he was in a loop ( don't ask me to make sense of this like it's real) and that his Mother had sent him back knowing that he had been shot. What certainly seemed to have turned out different about that loop, though, were Jack and the rest of em, as there is now a different reality in sideways world. Sayid, who shot Ben, was probably "not supposed to be there" and Kate who was instrumental in saving Ben was probably "not supposed to be there". So, I don't see that Ben who was dipped in the pool is necessarily the same Ben who turned black. It's interesting, by the way, that Kate made a choice to save a young Ben that was about the same age as she was when Jacob gave her the advice. Ditto, Sawyer. |
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Posts: 8418 (02/10/10 01:45 AM) |
That temple guy, "Templar?" probably knew about Jack's sister from the note he took from the Ankh, symbol of eternal life.
Maybe "the list" was the same note? |
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Posts: 6352 (02/10/10 02:33 AM) |
Either way, I don't know how crouching tiger guy knew that she was Jack's sister.My theory would be the the temple people are Others and The Others had a big-ass file on Jack (and probably most of the passengers/survivors). Juliet said she knew everything about Jack from that file. Considering Sawyer's file had info about Locke's dad being the real Sawyer, I am sure Jack's file had something about Claire being his sister. -Also, He sniveled like a bitch when being tortured. Very unSayidPossibly this is how Sayid failed the test? -Frogurt is the actual NAME of the character and not a Sawyer knick-name(i didn't know that)I don't think his last name is actually Frogurt. I think they just forgot to put quotes around "Frogurt." Remember, Frogurt used to get really pissed when they called him that |
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Posts: 9733 (02/10/10 02:40 AM) Once you go Jack... |
Claire died? I don't think I'm buying that at the moment.I'm not either, not yet. |
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Miles Edgeworth |
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Posts: 3674 (02/10/10 04:37 AM) |
Dead people dont set up traps and use human weapons.Well not on lost they dont
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phantomkp |
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Posts: 935 (02/10/10 04:52 AM) Registered user |
nic2200 wrote:These temple guys arent able to kill certain people. We all should know that by now. Its against the rules. Sayid was on the list, right? So Dogen cant kill Sayid, but its ok if Sayid kills himself (by taking the pill). At least it makes sense to me given what weve learned in the last 5 seasons. |
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phantomkp |
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Posts: 936 (02/10/10 05:01 AM) Registered user |
Aunt Pappy wrote:I really dont understand the intense hate for this episode. Its the last season, people. If you dont feel ANY desire to see how Kate and Claire reconnect in this flashsideways that reminds of us their fate that enterwined them on the island with Claire, Kate delivering Aaron, and being involved with both...(and Ethan helping out as well!)...then i think you guys are going to be in a SERIOUS world of hurt for most of this season. Thats what the flashsideways are gonna do! And for me, like John and Jack talking to each other at the airport in the opener...if you have followed these characters at all in the last 5 seasons...you should be touched by these flashsideways encounters. Even if it involves Kate and Claire. I thought it was lovely the way their destiny is entertwining in different ways...that no matter what, their fate was to meet in similar circumstances. Its cool. Especially when the characters start getting these little deja-vu moments. Dogan lying and trying to kill Sayid. I want the answer to what is in Sayid...NOW. Don't make me wait several episodes to find out, damn it.Something tells me that describing what exactly happened to Sayid (and Claire for that matter) is a huge piece of the puzzle and will probably be revealed in a much cooler, and more appropiate manner in a later episode. Like, they could have told us it was Flocke at any point in season 5..but it was wayy cooler the way they did it at the end of the last episode. Sometimes you gotta have faith in the piecemeal alottment of revelations :P |
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phantomkp |
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Posts: 937 (02/10/10 05:03 AM) Registered user |
lizzo1 wrote: Wow. That's really all you think you are going to take away from these flashsideways? Like its just a "point out whats different" game?? I thought you were a more astute viewer than that! :D |
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phantomkp |
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Posts: 938 (02/10/10 05:12 AM) Registered user |
Hostile6 wrote:Yea. I remember everyone complaining about they way these characters talked to each other in season 1. And how they all acted weird around each other. Oh well! :P I think the point is, that Claire and Kate are drawn to each other...because we know they are always supposed to be. So you cant sit there and complain why the fuck would Claire give felony Kate the time of day blah blah blah...or why does she feel compelled to lie for her to the cops blah blah blah...its because we are seeing there are certain circumstances between these characters they just cannot avoid? I could sit here and say "this episode was complete bullshit because, yea right, the one taxi Kate gets into and it just happens to be Claire...how convenient...the writers want us to believe that this would happen that way??"...i could rag on the episode for being contrived that way...but then id be completely missing the point! :D
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Posts: 939 (02/10/10 05:36 AM) Registered user |
chidelta wrote:I seriously doubt any Others took Claire to the temple after her house exploded on her...there was no time. He house exploded, Sawyer went there, and founf her immediately...and she acted as dazed as Sayid did after he came back from the dead, didnt she? Unless you are saying she died wayyy before Widmore's army started blasting Dharmaville, and then was put into the house already dead? Maybe. But thats gonna take a major flashback to explain that. Im betting Claire is "dead". It seems like you can only get infected after you die...Dogen didnt even suspect Sayid to be infected until after his dead body came back to life, right? Otherwise how would Mr. sensitive ponytail crounching tiger guy know about her, right?Well, the Others knew about Danielle, right? Claire has been acting like Danielle for the past 3 years now..knowing about all her traps and stuff...so it makes sense. If that's true, then the track record so far for the reviving the dead trick is Ben (black heart), Claire (black heart) and Sayid (blackness creeping toward his heart). You would think those chuckleheads would learn to stay away from the Pet Sematary by now.It seems like when Ben was taken to the temple, the waters were clear..thus he probably never really died like Sayid and Claire? |
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