I wish Miles would speak his mind more. Aside from the obvious fact that he knows/knew there was something off about Sayid and his corpse, does anyone remember his behavior towards Claire in the episode where she disappeared? At the time, you were supposed to think he liked her or something (he kept staring at her, and asked if he could hold the baby), because Sawyer thought so too (and put a restraining order on him). But now he seems to be acting strangely with Sayid. This has probably been brought up before, but no one seems to be mentioning it now.
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2/9/10 Ep3 "What Kate Does"
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Posts: 1565 (02/10/10 06:15 AM) Registered user |
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Posts: 2554 (02/10/10 07:25 AM) Registered user |
nic2200 wrote: IT's an established thing. It's what happened to the French team. I guess we'll get to see with Claire whether it's a good/bad thing and or whether it's reversible. |
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Posts: 8131 (02/10/10 07:27 AM) O.o |
stink wrote: Kinda like when she basically told Jin she didn't give a crap about helping him find Sun (or even giving a crap if he found her at all). All she gave a shit about was finding Sawyer so she could figure out what she would do then. Typical Kate..... it's all about what she wants and if it doesn't help her, she doesn't give a rat's ass about it. |
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Posts: 19162 (02/10/10 08:00 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish |
I dunno, maybe because I know this is the end and I won't be able to see new Lost episodes after this season but I am enjoying every single episode and not trying to nitpick too much like I would in earlier seasons. I thought the Kate/Claire connection was amazing; the alternate line showing how certain characters are connected is EXACTLY what I was hoping for because I know they are connected for a reason (I just haven't figured it out yet) I love how they are slipping in bleeds through both lines and doing it almost offhandedly (Kate seeing Jack and just giving him a harder look; Kate giving this expression when she heard the name Aaron) I'm lapping this shit up and I've watched this show from the beginning so it's not like I haven't invested the time all these seasons either.
I guess I am just not getting all the disappointment for one episode; we are not going to have BIG REVEALS every single time; they have to make certain connections and move the story in some way. Not every chapter in a book is going to be amazing. I decided that I would not get a brainache this season and just sit back and enjoy the ride and maybe think a little here and there what I think this ultimately is about but not bang my head against the wall and I'm enjoying it a lot better because of it. Anyway... noticed the Miles looks also (last week and last night) and THAT is what I love about the show - subtle but effective. Something is obviously up with Sayid. I thought it was interesting that despite Jack did everything he did and put his faith into coming back to the island and doing what he was should on blind trust, the Jack we always knew is still there a bit since he wouldn't just give Sayid the pill. The barbs between Kate/Jin with the black and white guards were good; he cracked me up, sorry to see him die, dude was given some witty lines Thought the acting this episode was really good (yes even Kate - wow you guys really hate her huh? I think I'm glad I didn't come in here often before lol) and insofar as whether Kate was innocent in this line........ I'm gonna hold off on that one to say for sure she didn't do it although I agree with Felicia that I think it is a definite possibility - we still have too many characters that we are not sure what is going on with them in the '04 line. |
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Posts: 7920 (02/10/10 08:15 AM) Registered User |
QualityBobby wrote:stink wrote: Kate's been that way since the start of the show. I love Evangeline but she plays a really shitty character. It's like Kate has a new personality every episode but none of them have been remotely likable. |
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Posts: 6727 (02/10/10 08:23 AM) MESS member |
I really enjoyed the episode. I love how the mirror version is bringing them all together for different reasons with flashes of deja vu.
I haven't figured out Dogen's motives yet. I agree with Fluffynurse that Dogen knew the pond wouldn't save Savid since it didn't heal his own hand. But then why did they drown him for a precise time measured by the hourglass? Why not just let him die naturally? Or was that precise amount of time supposed to prevent infection? And Trixie - I have become really good at ignoring the love/hate Kate posts in the threads. ;)
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Posts: 1323 (02/10/10 08:32 AM) Registered User |
Wait, I thought I was starting to get this alternate timeline thing and now you all are confusing me again. I thought what phantom and some others were saying was that this other line we are seeing is just what would have happened if the plane hadn't crashed/the bomb worked? How would that make any difference in whether Kate did what she did or not? She's still messing with the Marshall's head like before and running away the same way.
I don't hate Kate but she is very selfish at times. I'll probably like this episode better after the second watching. I usually do. I think this Sayid thing bothers me because he's one of my favorite characters and I don't like being jerked around as far as what's going on with him. I understand it a little better now with the whole Claire reveal. I was laughing at Hurley straight out asking Sayid if he was a zombie but really, Locke is dead but he's the Smoke Monster. Claire is dead but she's Rouseau redux. Sayid is dead but taking a magic pill filled with poison that has to be taken willingly (W.T.F.???) will kill the darkness before it gets to his heart? Phantom explained that in a way that made more sense to me too though given the way they have those rules about killing and stuff. But it's all pretty zombie-rific all of a sudden. So if they dig up the dead people could they like start a Zombie army or something? BlueJammies wrote: Is that maybe what the needles were for that Ethan was giving her on the Island? Also, lol at his comment about not wanting to stick her with needles if it wasn’t necessary last night. littltimmy wrote: Me too. He's been quiet since the bomb. ETA - Edited to omit the "O" word.
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Posts: 414 (02/10/10 08:42 AM) Registered User |
If Claire seems to be the new Rousseau, then Rousseau must have "died" in some way and brought back to life but infected? I don't remember her dropping hints about that. I always thought she was not infected. I don't remember everything about her.
I thought that they were going with a Bad-Kate in the sideways flash as oppose to Good -Kate in the original timeline. That would've been very cool.
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Posts: 10748 (02/10/10 09:09 AM) Registered User |
Okay. Did no one question the logic of someone who has just had a gun waved in her face and kicked out a cab by someone then agreeing to get a lift from said person in stolen vehicle? I thought Charlie was the one taking drugs.
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Posts: 827 (02/10/10 09:33 AM) Registered user |
Re: Frogurt
Neil, sometimes referred to as "Frogurt," was one of the middle section survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. Neil survived on the Island for 101 days before suffering a presumed death from a flaming arrow to the chest. Not much is known about Neil before he came to the Island. It is assumed that he used to make frozen yogurt, as indicated by Bernard. He also has a family history of asthma. ("S.O.S.") |
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Posts: 132 (02/10/10 09:56 AM) |
phantomkp wrote: They did kill him..... they drowned him  And they all seemed rather shocked when he came back to life... |
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Merrilin |
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Posts: 1326 (02/10/10 09:58 AM) Registered User |
Oh yeah, good point
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Posts: 3822 (02/10/10 10:23 AM) Registered user |
Yeaster wrote: What this episode proved is that Kate is an asshole in every time dimension. If Claire wasn't pregnant, Kate would not have shown one tiny bit of remorse for pointing a gun in her face and taking her purse so those scenes in the hospital didn't move me one bit. (I was more interested in Ethan! Dun dun duuuuuuun!) Don't get me started on her rudeness to Jin and not caring about Sun. I don't like Juliet but even I wanted to throw something at the screen when Kate burst into tears at the news that Sawyer was going to propose. Bitch, get over yourself! It really is not all about you! |
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Posts: 771 (02/10/10 10:26 AM) |
Its really funny to me. How can people sit here and call Kate selfish and not Jin. Can't the argument just be turned around on Jin the same exact way? Kate had every intention to leave to escape and find Sawyer, Jin took this as an opportunity to get out and find Sun. Why is Kate inclined to help him? Jin agreed to help Kate, not visa versa. If anyone was selfish is was Jin.
Its like you call Kate selfish but in the same episode in her flash Kate becomes guilty and goes back to help Claire. It really makes no sense to me.
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Posts: 8133 (02/10/10 10:31 AM) O.o |
roxbury123 wrote: No, you can't compare it. Jin is looking for his wife who is missing and he doesn't knows if she is alive or hurt. Kate is looking for her sometimes (when it suits her) fuckbuddy, who just happened to have his longterm girlfriend die in his arms. it's not about finding Sawyer to console him and be a friend in need. It's that she needs to have him RIGHT NOW AND HOW DARE HE LEAVE WITHOUT TELLING HER WHY AND ASK HER TO GO WITH HIM. |
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Posts: 772 (02/10/10 10:34 AM) |
And jeeze ITS NOT FUCKING SELFISH TO LOVE SOMEONE! Like some people's hatred for Kate makes your comments annoying. All is fair in love and war.
Honestly I think this episode was good. The story with Kate was something anyone could watch and understand and not been completely confused. And for some reason all the episodes that are considered "great" (post season 1) are episodes that confuse the hell out of everyone. Geeze No Wonder Lost has not won and Emmy since Season 1. I personally think this show has gone down this sitter with all this island mythology mumbo jumbo. I still watch the show for the people and the relationships and how on the island they were all able to change their crappy lives and start over. That was the original premise for the show but no it seems to have sadly taken a backseat. Anyway WHAT THE FUCK was Ethan doing at the hospital when clearly in Seaosn 3 he was on the island when the plane was flying? What in this alternate Universe he wasn't on the island. That makes 0 Sense.
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Posts: 773 (02/10/10 10:36 AM) |
QualityBobby wrote:Its the same exact thing. Actually no Kate told everyone where she was going. Jin lies and says he wants to help her but in reality he doesn't. Its clear in this episode that Kate still loved Sawyer and she went after the person she loved to make sure he was alright, while Jin went after the person he loved.roxbury123 wrote: |
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Posts: 8134 (02/10/10 10:39 AM) O.o |
You are assuming that she loves him. And I am assuming her character isn't capable of love because she is unable to look past what is best for herself.
I don't hate Kate, I hate when Kate is like this. In the scenes with Claire in the hospital, I really like Kate. I think that's why I have such visceral reactions to her.... I want to like her, and when she acts like a selfish asshole, it really pisses me off. |
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Posts: 774 (02/10/10 10:41 AM) |
QualityBobby wrote: She cried when Sawyer said he was going to marry Juliet. Those were tears because it was clear he choose Juliet and not her. She loved him. It was very clear to me. Kate had no obligation to help Jin, she made her mission clear. Its was selfish on Jin to think that Kate had to totally change her plans to help him.
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Posts: 6353 (02/10/10 10:42 AM) |
I finally figured out what the big epic war of season 6 is!
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