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Iceice

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(10/14/11 09:15 AM)

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It seems to me that Whitley or Keith will be the next to go. What do you think of these moves:

- Jim can propose to get rid of Whitney (same reason of breaking power couple alliance, at the same time still keep the tribe strong). He can make a point to Dawn or Cochran that both of them are not in their side anyway, all the more they were voting for Dawn. Eventhoigh it's a throwaway votes, but it can be used as good ground against Whitney n Keith.

- Ozzy can only save himself with radical moves:
1. Being very pissed off about last night TC, and call out the whole tribe and alliance fr betraying him, just like what we saw in the preview, but play it more dramatic by announcing that he will play the idol, therefore they can't vote for him and have to scramble among themselves. He is a vote for sale for whichever side that can confirm him. Then he sit back to see what proposal people might present to him (Keith n Whitney will be worry by being outnumbered and try to get him back to force tie. Jim might want to reallign with him to make sure he has Ozzy as bigger target when the merge come and keep the tribe strong). Ozzy will then have to analyze the situation that has more advantage to him and .... Not playing the idol. To be able to pull the move, he has to really read the situation well, it will be risky by if he can keep it cool, i can see that people are convinced that he will play the idol and will not risk voting for him. But Ozzy is no Boston Rob or Yul Kwon. he is not sharp at reading people or the situation or keeping it cool. But imho, this might be the best move for him.

2. Bank on RI. Throw the challenge, or if Savaii loses, he goes to RI and fight the way back aft the merge. He would be able to get into Upolu or use his idol to save him for awhile. However, i will categorize this as stupid and cocky move. Noone can be sure what if he can win all RI challenges, and he is not savy enough to get into Upolu by the time the merge comes, not that Upolu needs him anyway. The only hope he gets is that Upolu is ununited tribe but people will still target him since he is most likely to win immunity.

What do you think?
So again, this is stupid move but i can totally see Ozzy choosing this if he doesn't get his head right.

BigPig

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(10/14/11 10:20 AM)

Iceice wrote:
It seems to me that Whitley or Keith will be the next to go. What do you think of these moves:

- Jim can propose to get rid of Whitney (same reason of breaking power couple alliance, at the same time still keep the tribe strong). He can make a point to Dawn or Cochran that both of them are not in their side anyway, all the more they were voting for Dawn. Eventhoigh it's a throwaway votes, but it can be used as good ground against Whitney n Keith.

- Ozzy can only save himself with radical moves:
1. Being very pissed off about last night TC, and call out the whole tribe and alliance fr betraying him, just like what we saw in the preview, but play it more dramatic by announcing that he will play the idol, therefore they can't vote for him and have to scramble among themselves. He is a vote for sale for whichever side that can confirm him. Then he sit back to see what proposal people might present to him (Keith n Whitney will be worry by being outnumbered and try to get him back to force tie. Jim might want to reallign with him to make sure he has Ozzy as bigger target when the merge come and keep the tribe strong). Ozzy will then have to analyze the situation that has more advantage to him and .... Not playing the idol. To be able to pull the move, he has to really read the situation well, it will be risky by if he can keep it cool, i can see that people are convinced that he will play the idol and will not risk voting for him. But Ozzy is no Boston Rob or Yul Kwon. he is not sharp at reading people or the situation or keeping it cool. But imho, this might be the best move for him.

2. Bank on RI. Throw the challenge, or if Savaii loses, he goes to RI and fight the way back aft the merge. He would be able to get into Upolu or use his idol to save him for awhile. However, i will categorize this as stupid and cocky move. Noone can be sure what if he can win all RI challenges, and he is not savy enough to get into Upolu by the time the merge comes, not that Upolu needs him anyway. The only hope he gets is that Upolu is ununited tribe but people will still target him since he is most likely to win immunity.

What do you think?
So again, this is stupid move but i can totally see Ozzy choosing this if he doesn't get his head right.

to the Jim-Move: Cochran and Dawn definitely would go with it, since it buys them three more days, so he doesn't even have to lie to them. Ozzy might think that while Jim flatout betrayed him, Keithney betrayed him in a very shady manner. Jim is definitely in the best position, since he's strong and can pretty much do, whatever he wants.

1st option for Ozzy: Being pissed won't get him anywhere. Since noone except for Keithney knows about the idol, he should rationally convince JCD to break up the other power couple. Keithney is no different than Ozzylyse.

2nd option for Ozzy: I feel stupid reading this, but I think Ozzy would have a chance on RI. If I was him, I definitely wouldn't use the idol until after the merge, because he's going to be a force both in Immunity Challenges and Duels. I generally don't think throwing challenges helps you in any situation except sometimes after a tribal swap (China/Africa). But Ozzy is a proven non-strategist, so who knows...

thatsbollocksandyouknowit

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(10/14/11 02:26 PM)

If I were Ozzy I would go to keith and thank him for not voting out alyse(sp?). Then I would confide in him that I think that people are gonna make a move against me next, and tell him that I'm gonna play the idol and wipe the grins off their faces. Then I wouldn't play the idol. Meanwhile I'd try like crazy to win as many challenges as possible until I got sent to RI, win there and get back in the game at the merge, and switch sides still with the idol.

RunawayJuror

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(10/14/11 02:32 PM)

Interesting suggestions for Ozzy. If I were him though, I would pack my idol and my bag, go to the next challenge, and before Jeff explains the rules step off the mat and just tell Probst you are mutinying. High five Coach on your way to Upolo's mat and you're in. Probst worships Ozzy and Coach so much I think there's good odds he would just let it happen.

GodlessDeviant

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(10/14/11 07:48 PM)

Lmao, Runaway, that would be epic. But then if Savaii won Ozzy would still go home...

TheWizard

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(10/14/11 08:11 PM)

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RunawayJuror wrote:
Interesting suggestions for Ozzy. If I were him though, I would pack my idol and my bag, go to the next challenge, and before Jeff explains the rules step off the mat and just tell Probst you are mutinying. High five Coach on your way to Upolo's mat and you're in. Probst worships Ozzy and Coach so much I think there's good odds he would just let it happen.

That would be amazing. If the right person pulled it off in the right circumstances, I totally could see them letting it play.

TheWizard

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(10/14/11 08:16 PM)

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ajv174 wrote:
I agree that the Elyse blindside was a poor decision by Whitney/Keith (and why on earth do they think voting for Dawn is any less of a betrayal than voting for Elyse? it's extremely transparent what their plan was). I'm not convinced this was a great move for Jim, though; time will tell. If Ozzy makes a merge, I can't imagine him not flipping. While your point that Ozzy is an immunity threat and that makes it harder for the other tribe to accept him into their alliance has some validity, a vote is still a vote. I'd have to imainge if the Upolu alliance needs another vote, they're going to accept Ozzy with open arms (at least for a few tribal councils) even though he's an immunity threat. And if they don't need him... well Savaii is probably screwed anyway.

An of course with Ozzy having an immunity idol, I have to imagine he'll play it next time after being completely abandoned in this tribal council, and that would mean Savaii would have to lose 2 immunities pre-merge to get rid of him.

So, unless they can bring Ozzy back in the fold (which I have to imagine that will be tough), I think Whitney/Keith/Jim have put their alliance in trouble. I still like the idea but I think it was too early. I think the better move would've been to wait a little longer before making this move and blindsiding Ozzy instead of Elyse (i.e. trying to do this as close to the merge as possible).

I agree that Ozzy could still be a vote for the Upolus at the merge, but a lot of people were like OMFG OZ WILL FLIP AT THE MERGE. But Dawn would be equally likely to flip at the merge if they voted out Cochran, and would be a much more desirable alliance partner for someone. So in fact on the subject of "people flipping at the merge" it's like a net gain

EggFart

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(10/16/11 02:26 PM)

Jim's move was straight aces..
He took himself from the bottom of an alliance and third in line to go, up to top dog.
After the merge he can use his influence to turn people against Coach..

As for Ozzy, he'll go to the RI showdown to get a last glimpse of his beloved.
If she wins?? i believe that he would throw the next immunity, not play his idol at tribal, then go to RI
to have a couple romantic days with Elysse.. (he's sitting up a future amazing race appearance)
He's got a better than good chance of running the table on RI, then returning after the merge with an HII in his pocket..

GodlessDeviant

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(10/16/11 05:11 PM)

EggFart wrote:
Jim's move was straight aces..
He took himself from the bottom of an alliance and third in line to go, up to top dog.
After the merge he can use his influence to turn people against Coach..

As for Ozzy, he'll go to the RI showdown to get a last glimpse of his beloved.
If she wins?? i believe that he would throw the next immunity, not play his idol at tribal, then go to RI
to have a couple romantic days with Elysse.. (he's sitting up a future amazing race appearance)
He's got a better than good chance of running the table on RI, then returning after the merge with an HII in his pocket..

This makes absolutely no sense. Why would he purposely go to redemption if Elyse won? Wouldn't he rather stay and hope that she gets back into the game instead of basically ensuring her exit? Then again a lot of what Ozzy does makes no sense.

EggFart

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(10/16/11 05:56 PM)

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GodlessDeviant wrote:

EggFart wrote:
Jim's move was straight aces..
He took himself from the bottom of an alliance and third in line to go, up to top dog.
After the merge he can use his influence to turn people against Coach..

As for Ozzy, he'll go to the RI showdown to get a last glimpse of his beloved.
If she wins?? i believe that he would throw the next immunity, not play his idol at tribal, then go to RI
to have a couple romantic days with Elysse.. (he's sitting up a future amazing race appearance)
He's got a better than good chance of running the table on RI, then returning after the merge with an HII in his pocket..
This makes absolutely no sense. Why would he purposely go to redemption if Elyse won?

I'll type slower this time..To be with Elyse, and set up a showmance for future considerations..

Wouldn't he rather stay and hope that she gets back into the game instead of basically ensuring her exit? You honestly think that she would get back in the game??

Then again a lot of what Ozzy does makes no sense. The big question about Ozzy is , How does he act if Elyse looses the challenge?? Will he become the strategic player that he claimed he would be, or will he revert to the 2 time looser that he is??

TheWizard

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(10/20/11 10:23 AM)

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Swim

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(10/20/11 10:33 AM)

I wonder if Russell got paid for that whole "Brandon channeling Russell" scene? If so, the thought saddens me.

I just hope the editors don't start thinking this a great idea and start having Russell's image appear in the stars to guide Brandon whenever he's feeling conflicted ala The Lion King.

TheWizard

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(10/20/11 10:35 AM)

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Swim wrote:
I wonder if Russell got paid for that whole "Brandon channeling Russell" scene? If so, the thought saddens me.

I just hope the editors don't start thinking this a great idea and start having Russell's image appear in the stars to guide Brandon whenever he's feeling conflicted ala The Lion King.

CBS owns all the footage of us so they can definitely re-use it without payment. I actually think a Mufasa-like Russell character appearing in the clouds would be amazing and now will be disappointed if that doesn't happen.

Dilligara

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(10/20/11 01:11 PM)

So who do you think was right - Coach or Albert? Should Mikala have gone or Edna?

TheWizard

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(10/20/11 01:21 PM)

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Dilligara wrote:
So who do you think was right - Coach or Albert? Should Mikala have gone or Edna?

Right is such a weird question. Right for what? Right for whom? There's no good "tribe" decision, since only one person wins. It's better for Coach if Mikayla goes and it's better for Albert if Edna goes.

Maleia1

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(10/20/11 01:27 PM)

WHICH "SURVIVOR" CASTAWAY IS YOUR EARLY FAVORITE?

	Albert
	Brandon
	Coach
	Cochran
	Dawn
	Edna
	Elyse
	Jim
	Keith
	Mikayla
	Ozzy
	Rick
	Sophie
	Stacey
	Whitney

You may select multiple answers.

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BigPig

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(10/20/11 01:56 PM)

Aren't there a few castaways missing on that list?

Maleia1

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(10/20/11 01:59 PM)

Yes, but they do not matter. :)

Constantinople

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(10/20/11 02:08 PM)

TheWizard wrote:
Dilligara wrote:
So who do you think was right - Coach or Albert? Should Mikala have gone or Edna?
Right is such a weird question. Right for what? Right for whom? There's no good "tribe" decision, since only one person wins. It's better for Coach if Mikayla goes and it's better for Albert if Edna goes.

Since Rick cast the deciding vote, do you think Rick made the right decision for himself?

TheWizard

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(10/20/11 02:17 PM)

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Constantinople wrote:
TheWizard wrote:
Dilligara wrote:
So who do you think was right - Coach or Albert? Should Mikala have gone or Edna?
Right is such a weird question. Right for what? Right for whom? There's no good "tribe" decision, since only one person wins. It's better for Coach if Mikayla goes and it's better for Albert if Edna goes.
Since Rick cast the deciding vote, do you think Rick made the right decision for himself?

That's a good question. What do you think? It's hard to get into Rick's head at all. Probably not, right? Mikayla is presumably better for the tribe than is Edna. Stronger in the challenges, less likely to make a move.

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