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JustAHotMess		#1621	[-]
Posts: 19 (09/24/11 05:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	A tree never hits an automobile except in self-defence. Remove this ad natnyc911 wrote: codayoda1221 wrote: So I guess we know Cas is gone for good now, no? He will be killed by season's end. From the ratings thread, looks like Supernatural did really poor (or am I not reading that right?) I fear this will be the last season... I wouldn't worry all that much about the ratings for SPN because this is THE CW. If you look at how everything did this week (minus Gossip Girl and Heart Of Dixie, both yet to premiere), everything is about equal. Not a single show (including The Vampire Diaries) did anything super special for the network. If SPN keeps up these numbers and the creators and stars agree, I see no reason why it wouldn't be given a renewal. I agree. I don't think SPN is in danger. Rather, I think the network itself is in more danger than SPN. Of course you can't really have SPN without the CW, so I hope they can survive the lower ratings across the board...at least until SPN is over with, and then I don't really care. Heh. I'm not sure how I feel about the premier. I was so devastated by the finale, that I didn't have any high expectations going into the premier. I dunno, I'm just not a fan of Cas as a villain, even if it's not "really" him. It's just a shame, because I loved this show more than any other until that twist. But what the hell, I'll stay on board and see how things play out, and if Cas is dead for good, at least he was able to express his remorse to Dean, and that is ONE crumb I can take with me. I don't really care about Sam's wall or his hell issues, but I do like Sam himself, so I'll keep watching and hope he doesn't hallucinate himself to death, and that they don't spend all fuckin' season on his hell-pain. Hoping to see some good story-arc for Dean as well this season. Overall, I liked the episode, but over-OVERALL, I miss Cas being a part of the show proper, and I will miss him. Kind of scratching my head that the show would basically drop a character whose introduction in S4 actually boosted their ratings. Not sure what they're thinking, but whatever. I know there are some camps that are delighted to see Cas go, so I may be a more isolated faction of fans who are still mourning. Meh. I'll eat another couple pints of Ben and Jerry's and be back next week for more fun.
codayoda1221		#1622	[-]
Posts: 4028 (09/24/11 07:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yeah, I didn't really like the fake out ending. I think I would've preferred they let bygones be bygones, have Sam and his wall trouble remain, and then have Cas be remorseful the rest of the season for being a douchebag. The leviathans escaping or other baddies could've been enough villain to carry the show this season. I really doubt they're going to kill Cas off. Could just be another "soul stuck in hell" type-o deal, great loophole to bring him back in that regard. The only bad part is they may have to blow up Cas's human suit in order to get the soul back---which, when they did it with Ruby, I hated. Sooo, in the long run, if they can save Cas AND keep the actor, I'm good. If not, I'm glad he died the way he did. Does that make sense? And I really don't know what's going on with Sam...I can't decide. I want to say he's just hallucinating and not in hell because then that would mean season 6 really didn't happen, right? Dean and Bobby both referred to Sam so yeah, I don't know how they can get around that now. It would be another way to get Castiel back, I guess, but make the whole last season pointless. We will see where this goes. I really wish the angels and demons storyline would sit on the back burner for a while so we can have fun monster of the week episodes. I know I'm in the minority, but I really just enjoy seein the boys on the hunt killin shit. The mythology on this show is top notch.
shrewlaura		#1623	[-]
Posts: 2630 (09/28/11 10:45 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SyFy is advertising My Bloody Valentine (the version with Jensen in it) will be on at 9pm on Saturday.
Hostile6		#1624	[-]
Posts: 2044 (09/28/11 08:11 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sardonically Irreverent wrote: Okay, since I started this thread I have decided I should actually watch the show. I've been poking around season 1 and 2, and it's good, but I want it to get SERIALIZED cause I don't care about MOTW stuff. When does this show get all mythology-like? I want to start watching from that point. Slow down... Some of the best episodes are monster of the week. Scarecrow, dead mans blood, nightshifter, tall tales, mystery spot, what is and what should never be, jus in bello, etc... Really, the show's mythology (angels and demons) doesn't kick off until season 4. Otherwise, Demons (yellow eyes, meg, lilith, cross roads, etc... are involved in the demon plot line from the jump.
SardonicallyIrrelevant		#1625	[-]
Posts: 23671 (09/29/11 11:36 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Not looking. Not looking. I'm halfway through season 5 and I finally love the show. I even like the non-mytharc episodes now. Hopefully I'll be caught up soon so I can make stupid changes to the thread title!
Hostile6		#1626	[-]
Posts: 2045 (09/30/11 07:52 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SardonicallyIrrelevant wrote: Not looking. Not looking. I'm halfway through season 5 and I finally love the show. I even like the non-mytharc episodes now. Hopefully I'll be caught up soon so I can make stupid changes to the thread title! See...
Piranhahaha		#1627	[-]
Posts: 16499 (10/02/11 03:18 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	YAY for SI catching up! I dunno what to make of the two new eps, which felt like a double premiere. They're playing a little too fast and lose with Cas & Crowley, and not to mention Sam's head. It's as if they're saying goodbye to any new viewers and making the lives of us veteran watchers a living hell (albeit not a cage hell...). AND I think they're ramping up the complexity to disguise that in reality, not much is really going on except for the Leviathans appearing on the scene. I do like these Leviathans as big bads though. Their organization surpasses all big bads before, but are rubes. Interesting juxtaposition. There's no way Cas is dead. In fact, my DirecTV ep description noted that Cas had a role in the 2nd ep despite not ultimately appearing. The downside is that with these critters in the pipelines, it's a knockoff of the Buffy ep with the evil swim team coach. (Buffy & the Scoobies easily bounced them.) Still, good old SPN: complex to being maybe a little overly complex, but even with that, miles ahead of any thinking man's sci fi made since BSG. It's always fun to see Death fighting below his weight while negotiating with the annoying protoplasm, particularly with a pair of terrified civilians looking on.
JustAHotMess		#1628	[-]
Posts: 20 (10/02/11 06:11 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Piranhahaha wrote: YAY for SI catching up! I dunno what to make of the two new eps, which felt like a double premiere. They're playing a little too fast and lose with Cas & Crowley, and not to mention Sam's head. It's as if they're saying goodbye to any new viewers and making the lives of us veteran watchers a living hell (albeit not a cage hell...). AND I think they're ramping up the complexity to disguise that in reality, not much is really going on except for the Leviathans appearing on the scene. I do like these Leviathans as big bads though. Their organization surpasses all big bads before, but are rubes. Interesting juxtaposition. There's no way Cas is dead. In fact, my DirecTV ep description noted that Cas had a role in the 2nd ep despite not ultimately appearing. The downside is that with these critters in the pipelines, it's a knockoff of the Buffy ep with the evil swim team coach. (Buffy & the Scoobies easily bounced them.) Still, good old SPN: complex to being maybe a little overly complex, but even with that, miles ahead of any thinking man's sci fi made since BSG. It's always fun to see Death fighting below his weight while negotiating with the annoying protoplasm, particularly with a pair of terrified civilians looking on. Mmm, I kind of liked this episode more than I thought I was going to. I felt a little cheated with so little Cas, but I think you're right. I'm sure we haven't seen the last of him. That was in no way a proper send-off for such a beloved character. I'm thinking that the "Boss" that the Leviathan was talking to on the cell phone is the Leviathan "leader", and I'd bet he's still encased in Cas's/Jimmy's meatsuit. I do find the Leviathans creepy and interesting. I also really loved seeing Lucifer again...and WOW, we even got to see a few second of "Deanifer"! Man, I wish they'd do more with that. He rocked the creepy-evil in his eyes. Loved that part. Oh, also nice to see the return of Sheriff Mills. She's quirky and fun to watch. So, all in all, I'm still disgruntled over my favorite angel's fate, but I'm trying to keep an open mind and hope that he's not gone for good.
ThrillJill		#1629	[-]
Posts: 3715 (10/04/11 01:18 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I liked the second epi better than the first so far. I agree that the leviathans are an interesting addition and sort of creepy. I like the banter between Dean and Bobby (they still manage to throw humor into the mix) and I totally forgot about Sheriff Mills, but I like her a lot. Hopefully they'll keep her for a few episodes.
Piranhahaha		#1630	[-]
Posts: 16517 (10/04/11 09:41 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	A tree never hits an automobile except in self-defence. Remove this ad Speaking of returning characters, was that Jo in the promo? Overall I'm liking the new season just fine, too, but it seems to be unusually dark. Or maybe just too heavy -- there's no patented SPN spryness to it.
JustAHotMess		#1631	[-]
Posts: 21 (10/08/11 03:06 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	OK, so this episode can be filed under "WTF?!" I think the writers have completely gone off the rails. And you know what? I don't even have a problem with Dean killing Amy. Who the hell is she to think she can decide who gets to live or die in order to save her son? Did she know the stories behind every "bad buy" she killed? And Dean is right, she would have killed again...if it meant keeping her son alive, she'd do it again. Dean learned with Elanor (the "good" vamp) that just because a monster is sympathetic does not mean that they are not a danger to humans. Elanor returned to killing, and those deaths are really on Sam and Dean. But OK, so even if I can rationalize Amy's death...WTF is up with NOT killing the son? So what if he hasn't killed again? How is he going to survive without human brains? Dean took away his only non-lethal way of getting them (Amy's mortician's job). So Dean kills his mother and then just says...don't kill...or I'll come getcha. Dumb fuck, the kid NEEDS brains to survive!! How is he NOT going to kill people?! What a dumb-fuck writing BLUNDER. So goddamned dumb. Oh...then Dean asks the kid..."You got somewhere to go?" The kid nods "yep". So Dean lets him go to people who are probably MONSTERS, too. But Amy had to die. OoooOoOOOoOoOkayyyy. The episode would have been MUCH more interesting had they NOT left the hospital and had a cat-and-mouse-game with the wounded Winchesters and the Leviathans. THAT would have been worth the hour I spent on the show. What I got was a crapfest of the crappiest writing I've seen in a long, long time. And I take absolutely NO pleasure in beating up on the show. This little GEM of a show has been my favorite for years and years, and I have defended it and stayed with it even through shitfests like Soulless!Sam. I had really hoped and hoped that Season 7 would be better, but this...this just sucks. It's like the writers saw all the hub-bub of Dean-girls complaining that Dean hadn't had a decent storyline since Season 4 (which lead abso-fucking-lutely nowhere), and decided to completely remove any sympathy that anyone had for the character just to shut them up. No one's gonna give a fuck about a storyline for a character that no one gives two tits for. Am I bitter? You bet your sweet ass I am. I dunno. I'm disappointed. I was hoping and praying for a Season 8, but at this point...I really don't care anymore. The show is just tail-spinning. And it truly saddens me, because I am really on the side of the actors and crew of this show. I'm probably over-reacting, but I really hated the end of that episode. Dean should have either left Amy alive or he should have killed the son, too. Maybe you all have thoughts and ideas that I am missing, but I was totally disappointed in that eppie. Hey, at least Jensen put Mt. Baker in one of the last shots with the Impala! I squee'd when I saw it. I'm originally from Whatcom County and was raised in the shadow of that mountain. Heh.
Piranhahaha		#1632	[-]
Posts: 16530 (10/08/11 03:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	We hadn't seen Amy before, right? I kinda get Dean's Javert-class sensibility of killing all the bad guys, and yeah, not killing the kid -- who is not a kid, but a monster -- flies in the face of this thinking. The more interesting development is that he took it upon himself to override the longtime decision made by Sammy to keep Amy around. So far this season's just been dicking around.
yofox02		#1633	[-]
Posts: 2226 (10/08/11 05:14 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	"So far this season's just been dicking around" totally agree. oh, and someone please petition to bring the "Ghostfacers" back for another episode!
shrewlaura		#1634	[-]
Posts: 2636 (10/09/11 03:02 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I think we're supposed to see Dean's return to black and white "all monsters must die" thinking as a response to Castiel's death and Sam's incapacitation. Remember it was right after John's death that Dean got all chummy with Gordon, who wanted to kill anything non-human. It's an oversimplification that allows him to ignore shades of grey so he can feel confident in his actions. Lying to Sam about trusting his decision not to kill Amy wasn't meant to be malicious. Dean's just trying to clean up after his brother, who he thinks isn't mentally capable of making decisions right now.
JustAHotMess		#1635	[-]
Posts: 22 (10/09/11 04:47 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	shrewlaura wrote: I think we're supposed to see Dean's return to black and white "all monsters must die" thinking as a response to Castiel's death and Sam's incapacitation. Remember it was right after John's death that Dean got all chummy with Gordon, who wanted to kill anything non-human. It's an oversimplification that allows him to ignore shades of grey so he can feel confident in his actions. Lying to Sam about trusting his decision not to kill Amy wasn't meant to be malicious. Dean's just trying to clean up after his brother, who he thinks isn't mentally capable of making decisions right now. That's a really good point. Still think he should have killed the child monster, but I guess Dean felt that he just couldn't go that far.
Piranhahaha		#1636	[-]
Posts: 16552 (10/13/11 03:28 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Spike and Cordelia are dropping by for a visit the week after next. Pics inside the linkie. http://www.tvline.com/2011/10/supernatural-season-7-carpenter-marsters-photos/#259720-8-Shut-Up%2C-Dr.-Phil
Hostile6		#1637	[-]
Posts: 2048 (10/16/11 12:00 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JustAHotMess wrote: OK, so this episode can be filed under "WTF?!" I think the writers have completely gone off the rails. And you know what? I don't even have a problem with Dean killing Amy. Who the hell is she to think she can decide who gets to live or die in order to save her son? Did she know the stories behind every "bad buy" she killed? And Dean is right, she would have killed again...if it meant keeping her son alive, she'd do it again. Dean learned with Elanor (the "good" vamp) that just because a monster is sympathetic does not mean that they are not a danger to humans. Elanor returned to killing, and those deaths are really on Sam and Dean. But OK, so even if I can rationalize Amy's death...WTF is up with NOT killing the son? So what if he hasn't killed again? How is he going to survive without human brains? Dean took away his only non-lethal way of getting them (Amy's mortician's job). So Dean kills his mother and then just says...don't kill...or I'll come getcha. Dumb fuck, the kid NEEDS brains to survive!! How is he NOT going to kill people?! What a dumb-fuck writing BLUNDER. So goddamned dumb. Oh...then Dean asks the kid..."You got somewhere to go?" The kid nods "yep". So Dean lets him go to people who are probably MONSTERS, too. But Amy had to die. OoooOoOOOoOoOkayyyy. The episode would have been MUCH more interesting had they NOT left the hospital and had a cat-and-mouse-game with the wounded Winchesters and the Leviathans. THAT would have been worth the hour I spent on the show. What I got was a crapfest of the crappiest writing I've seen in a long, long time. And I take absolutely NO pleasure in beating up on the show. This little GEM of a show has been my favorite for years and years, and I have defended it and stayed with it even through shitfests like Soulless!Sam. I had really hoped and hoped that Season 7 would be better, but this...this just sucks. It's like the writers saw all the hub-bub of Dean-girls complaining that Dean hadn't had a decent storyline since Season 4 (which lead abso-fucking-lutely nowhere), and decided to completely remove any sympathy that anyone had for the character just to shut them up. No one's gonna give a fuck about a storyline for a character that no one gives two tits for. Am I bitter? You bet your sweet ass I am. I dunno. I'm disappointed. I was hoping and praying for a Season 8, but at this point...I really don't care anymore. The show is just tail-spinning. And it truly saddens me, because I am really on the side of the actors and crew of this show. I'm probably over-reacting, but I really hated the end of that episode. Dean should have either left Amy alive or he should have killed the son, too. Maybe you all have thoughts and ideas that I am missing, but I was totally disappointed in that eppie. Hey, at least Jensen put Mt. Baker in one of the last shots with the Impala! I squee'd when I saw it. I'm originally from Whatcom County and was raised in the shadow of that mountain. Heh. Have to agree. I love this show to death. I've always felt it was the best show on TV nobody knew about. However, the show is heading downhill quickly. Ever since Kripke left, I feel the show has lost some heart. Sure there have been some good eps here and there, but it's not the same. I also agree with the cat and mouse game in the hospital. That could of been a lot of fun. I just wish this show could get back on track to the season 2 years. It's really getting old to see Sam and Dean fucking each other over season after season only to have a fight and resolve nothing... They've been through a lot and some character progression would be nice. That story line is played out... Try something new. change the dynamic. These guys should be on the same page and firing on all cylinders and closer than ever. I also wasn't crazy about this past Osiris episode.
JustAHotMess		#1638	[-]
Posts: 23 (10/16/11 04:53 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Hostile6 wrote: Have to agree. I love this show to death. I've always felt it was the best show on TV nobody knew about. However, the show is heading downhill quickly. Ever since Kripke left, I feel the show has lost some heart. Sure there have been some good eps here and there, but it's not the same. I also agree with the cat and mouse game in the hospital. That could of been a lot of fun. I just wish this show could get back on track to the season 2 years. It's really getting old to see Sam and Dean fucking each other over season after season only to have a fight and resolve nothing... They've been through a lot and some character progression would be nice. That story line is played out... Try something new. change the dynamic. These guys should be on the same page and firing on all cylinders and closer than ever. I also wasn't crazy about this past Osiris episode. Yeah, the Osiris episode didn't do anything for me one way or the other, and it's kind of sad because I really like Dean, so any Dean-centric episode is always a plus for me. And yet, it was just a lot of sitting around talking, and I was actually a little bored! Me...bored with Dean! Inconceivable! And yet it happened. I get that Dean feels guilty, but this is nothing new or earth-shattering. I think most viewers want Dean to see himself the way WE see him. It's very saddening to know that Dean thinks he's "90% crap", but then again...not a lot of new information here. I enjoyed seeing Jo, but she didn't really get through to Dean, either. He still feels worthless even after the episode, so we're just back to same-ol'-same-ol' for the Winchesters. So the opportunity for growth was just lost and Dean's self-loathing was just highlighted for the sake of upsetting both him...and the audience. I think it was a decent enough MOTW eppie, but not one that really satisfied. At least not me. I'm not sure if that's the show's fault or mine. I understand that shows age, and sometimes in their later seasons they can get away from what made them so special. It's just really sad to see it happen to this one, because I totally agree with you, this used to be the very best show that no one knew about. I'm honestly not sure what is lacking. I also agree with you that the boys should be on the same page...no more hallucinations or permanent breaking of the characters (I hate that they say that Sam will NEVER be OK, and he will just have to learn to live with his hell PTSD), go fight the Leviathans and save Castiel. If the boys are going to angst at least let them have a little character growth as a result. I didn't see that for Dean in this episode. I'm sure he even feels WORSE at this point, because Sam stood up and defended him...all the while Dean kept the secret of having killed Amy from him the entire time. I don't mind a side-order of angst, but this is all-angst-all-the-time, and it gets me down. I know this show can do better. Lots better. I hope they get their groove back. As I said, I really love these actors and know how passionate the crew is. They work too hard to have me furrowing my brows at the TV because the writing is all over the place.
Hostile6		#1639	[-]
Posts: 2049 (10/21/11 11:29 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JustAHotMess wrote: Hostile6 wrote: Have to agree. I love this show to death. I've always felt it was the best show on TV nobody knew about. However, the show is heading downhill quickly. Ever since Kripke left, I feel the show has lost some heart. Sure there have been some good eps here and there, but it's not the same. I also agree with the cat and mouse game in the hospital. That could of been a lot of fun. I just wish this show could get back on track to the season 2 years. It's really getting old to see Sam and Dean fucking each other over season after season only to have a fight and resolve nothing... They've been through a lot and some character progression would be nice. That story line is played out... Try something new. change the dynamic. These guys should be on the same page and firing on all cylinders and closer than ever. I also wasn't crazy about this past Osiris episode. Yeah, the Osiris episode didn't do anything for me one way or the other, and it's kind of sad because I really like Dean, so any Dean-centric episode is always a plus for me. And yet, it was just a lot of sitting around talking, and I was actually a little bored! Me...bored with Dean! Inconceivable! And yet it happened. I get that Dean feels guilty, but this is nothing new or earth-shattering. I think most viewers want Dean to see himself the way WE see him. It's very saddening to know that Dean thinks he's "90% crap", but then again...not a lot of new information here. I enjoyed seeing Jo, but she didn't really get through to Dean, either. He still feels worthless even after the episode, so we're just back to same-ol'-same-ol' for the Winchesters. So the opportunity for growth was just lost and Dean's self-loathing was just highlighted for the sake of upsetting both him...and the audience. I think it was a decent enough MOTW eppie, but not one that really satisfied. At least not me. I'm not sure if that's the show's fault or mine. I understand that shows age, and sometimes in their later seasons they can get away from what made them so special. It's just really sad to see it happen to this one, because I totally agree with you, this used to be the very best show that no one knew about. I'm honestly not sure what is lacking. I also agree with you that the boys should be on the same page...no more hallucinations or permanent breaking of the characters (I hate that they say that Sam will NEVER be OK, and he will just have to learn to live with his hell PTSD), go fight the Leviathans and save Castiel. If the boys are going to angst at least let them have a little character growth as a result. I didn't see that for Dean in this episode. I'm sure he even feels WORSE at this point, because Sam stood up and defended him...all the while Dean kept the secret of having killed Amy from him the entire time. I don't mind a side-order of angst, but this is all-angst-all-the-time, and it gets me down. I know this show can do better. Lots better. I hope they get their groove back. As I said, I really love these actors and know how passionate the crew is. They work too hard to have me furrowing my brows at the TV because the writing is all over the place. I think that's it really... There's no fun in it. The characters hate themselves, they hate their job, they hate their lives, etc... It's beyond angst now. I loved Dean being a go getter in the early years. He was excited to save people and hunt. Frontierland (where your avy is from) was once of my favorite episodes because it brought back old school fun Dean. Sam was a perfect counterbalance for him too in the old days. Now they don't compliment each other at all. The dynamic is really off between these two. I was hoping once Dean saw the future and realized what a douchebag he became things would change. I kind of thought that was one of the points of that episode, but it seems not. Hopefully tonight will be good. Looking forward to James Marsters being on.
WILL4EVER		#1640	[-]
Posts: 2050 (10/21/11 10:53 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	A tree never hits an automobile except in self-defence. Remove this ad That episode was just a weak 'War of the Roses'- 'Mr.&Mrs. Smith' cop-out. I love this show- shot locally..but, it was a pretty simple, going no-where episode. I hope they get a theme going with some stronger characters.

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