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SolitaryPhoenix wrote:If they treated Cochran so well, why was Dawn moved to tears that she hadn't stood up for him?
As we've seen, bullying can lead to tragic results in children
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Buddha DeCat wrote:queenparvati wrote:Buddha DeCat wrote:You're damned if you do, damned if you don't with someone as insecurity ridden as Cockroach -- he's like a mini-Coach -- a legend in his own mind who sees people failing to coddle him/kiss his ass as "bullying" him. If you do actually do something nice for him (i.e., risk yourself by going to RI to face the middle aged woman Cockran didn't have to balls to face) he'll just see it as a further proof as to why he is inferior to you & hate you more for it. As stupid as Ozzy is said to be, he knew Cockroach was worthless & untrustworthy (which is why I think he smiled at the end of the last TC when Cockroach turned and said "I flipped but I can explain.") and not even reliable as a VOTE (which Semhar & Elyse would have been). If Jim was a better reader of people then he thinks he is, he would have seen it too. (Keith & Whitney are such dunces, I'm not even faulting them for the Elyse vote). The big fuck up was sending Ozzy to RI. Even based on their limited interactions with Christine, Savaii had good reason to believe that she would work with them more readily than would Cochran. Ozzy seemed to think his return justified the plan. Sorry dude, having a plan and successfully executing it doesn't mean it was a good plan to begin with.Look, we can argue the biggest fuck up all day -- I'd say it was booting Semhar and Elyse (especially Elyse) & keeping someone as insecurity ridden & worthless in challenges in the first place before letting it get to the final duel before merge -- I mean, the kid couldn't even work the fucking clips -- either Elyse or Semhar would have performed better than that, I'd bet my life. None of it matters because it all boils down to: the should have gotten rid of Cochran during one of the THREE separate chances they had (I'm not counting the Papa Bear boot; that one was fair enough).
queenparvati wrote:Buddha DeCat wrote:You're damned if you do, damned if you don't with someone as insecurity ridden as Cockroach -- he's like a mini-Coach -- a legend in his own mind who sees people failing to coddle him/kiss his ass as "bullying" him. If you do actually do something nice for him (i.e., risk yourself by going to RI to face the middle aged woman Cockran didn't have to balls to face) he'll just see it as a further proof as to why he is inferior to you & hate you more for it. As stupid as Ozzy is said to be, he knew Cockroach was worthless & untrustworthy (which is why I think he smiled at the end of the last TC when Cockroach turned and said "I flipped but I can explain.") and not even reliable as a VOTE (which Semhar & Elyse would have been). If Jim was a better reader of people then he thinks he is, he would have seen it too. (Keith & Whitney are such dunces, I'm not even faulting them for the Elyse vote). The big fuck up was sending Ozzy to RI. Even based on their limited interactions with Christine, Savaii had good reason to believe that she would work with them more readily than would Cochran. Ozzy seemed to think his return justified the plan. Sorry dude, having a plan and successfully executing it doesn't mean it was a good plan to begin with.
Buddha DeCat wrote:You're damned if you do, damned if you don't with someone as insecurity ridden as Cockroach -- he's like a mini-Coach -- a legend in his own mind who sees people failing to coddle him/kiss his ass as "bullying" him. If you do actually do something nice for him (i.e., risk yourself by going to RI to face the middle aged woman Cockran didn't have to balls to face) he'll just see it as a further proof as to why he is inferior to you & hate you more for it. As stupid as Ozzy is said to be, he knew Cockroach was worthless & untrustworthy (which is why I think he smiled at the end of the last TC when Cockroach turned and said "I flipped but I can explain.") and not even reliable as a VOTE (which Semhar & Elyse would have been). If Jim was a better reader of people then he thinks he is, he would have seen it too. (Keith & Whitney are such dunces, I'm not even faulting them for the Elyse vote).
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SolitaryPhoenix wrote: If they treated Cochran so well, why was Dawn moved to tears that she hadn't stood up for him? We may not have seen all the bullying, but it certainly seems that it happened. As we've seen, bullying can lead to tragic results in children; why would an adult not feel the need to give it back when given the opportunity? I think Ozzy, Whitney, Keith, and Jim screwed themselves by their own actions, be it the way they chose to vote or the way they apparently treated Cochran, like a lesser member of the tribe, a place-maker they found expendable at their convenience.
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GodlessDeviant wrote:Buddha DeCat wrote:queenparvati wrote:The big fuck up was sending Ozzy to RI. Even based on their limited interactions with Christine, Savaii had good reason to believe that she would work with them more readily than would Cochran. Ozzy seemed to think his return justified the plan. Sorry dude, having a plan and successfully executing it doesn't mean it was a good plan to begin with.Look, we can argue the biggest fuck up all day -- I'd say it was booting Semhar and Elyse (especially Elyse) & keeping someone as insecurity ridden & worthless in challenges in the first place before letting it get to the final duel before merge -- I mean, the kid couldn't even work the fucking clips -- either Elyse or Semhar would have performed better than that, I'd bet my life. None of it matters because it all boils down to: the should have gotten rid of Cochran during one of the THREE separate chances they had (I'm not counting the Papa Bear boot; that one was fair enough). Are you frigging serious? Semhar was completely useless. She was JUST as bad as Cochran. Papa Bear would have done better in challenges than both of them combined.
Buddha DeCat wrote:queenparvati wrote:The big fuck up was sending Ozzy to RI. Even based on their limited interactions with Christine, Savaii had good reason to believe that she would work with them more readily than would Cochran. Ozzy seemed to think his return justified the plan. Sorry dude, having a plan and successfully executing it doesn't mean it was a good plan to begin with.Look, we can argue the biggest fuck up all day -- I'd say it was booting Semhar and Elyse (especially Elyse) & keeping someone as insecurity ridden & worthless in challenges in the first place before letting it get to the final duel before merge -- I mean, the kid couldn't even work the fucking clips -- either Elyse or Semhar would have performed better than that, I'd bet my life. None of it matters because it all boils down to: the should have gotten rid of Cochran during one of the THREE separate chances they had (I'm not counting the Papa Bear boot; that one was fair enough).
queenparvati wrote:The big fuck up was sending Ozzy to RI. Even based on their limited interactions with Christine, Savaii had good reason to believe that she would work with them more readily than would Cochran. Ozzy seemed to think his return justified the plan. Sorry dude, having a plan and successfully executing it doesn't mean it was a good plan to begin with.
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EC101 wrote:SolitaryPhoenix wrote: If they treated Cochran so well, why was Dawn moved to tears that she hadn't stood up for him? We may not have seen all the bullying, but it certainly seems that it happened. As we've seen, bullying can lead to tragic results in children; why would an adult not feel the need to give it back when given the opportunity? I think Ozzy, Whitney, Keith, and Jim screwed themselves by their own actions, be it the way they chose to vote or the way they apparently treated Cochran, like a lesser member of the tribe, a place-maker they found expendable at their convenience.Cochran was not bullied, c'mon, that's a bunch of BS. He was probably talked down to by Keith, but bullied? What did they bully the idiot about? Did they shove him around and steal his coconuts? Can any one of you imagine getting on this season and boom, right when the merge happens you start to believe Coach is genuine and all his blabber is for real? Cochran is a moron of a Survivor fan. As for Dawn moved to tears - she was one of the people that was all gung-ho about sending his ass to Redemption Island so he could take responsibility for his stupidity in the challenge...she did some of the so-called 'bullying'. Anyone crying a river for the bullying of Cochran is just about as stupid as he is. Now if Cochran gets beat-up after this tribal council, then I might feel bad for him for a nano-second, otherwise please with the bully crap, it's utter nonsense.
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Windmill Bill wrote:Yes, Cochran was bullied. Pretty severely. That's about all I can post since I'm not one to post spoilers
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the sole surviva wrote:savaii brought this upon themselves when they treated cochran like shit
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JT4ever wrote:SolitaryPhoenix wrote:If they treated Cochran so well, why was Dawn moved to tears that she hadn't stood up for him?You mean the same Dawn who was crying hysterically on Day 1.1? The same Dawn who says she likes the roach because he reminds her of her own overindulged whelps? The same Dawn who changed her tune to "Oh, it weren't so bad" the instant she got an immunity necklace around her neck? That Dawn?As we've seen, bullying can lead to tragic results in childrenOh my fucking God.
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Backupforgrabs wrote:maxxfisher wrote:I do love that after 280 votes, not 1 person thinks that Keith can winSo Cochran has votes to win? or are you saying something about the Final 3?
maxxfisher wrote:I do love that after 280 votes, not 1 person thinks that Keith can win
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Kirblar wrote:the sole surviva wrote:savaii brought this upon themselves when they treated cochran like shitSaving someone 4 times at Tribal Council is treating someone like shit?
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E wrote:We all knew it was coming.
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the sole surviva wrote:Kirblar wrote:the sole surviva wrote:savaii brought this upon themselves when they treated cochran like shitSaving someone 4 times at Tribal Council is treating someone like shit?Just because they didn't vote him out, doesn't mean they treated him with respect
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Bunny Frou Frou wrote:The thing I'm interested to see based on this spoiler is how Upolu treats Whitney as she awaits her execution.
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GabrielP wrote:Can't believe Whitney is still alive in the game. lol
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