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(11/06/11 12:05 PM)
Windmill Bill wrote:EC101 wrote:SolitaryPhoenix wrote: If they treated Cochran so well, why was Dawn moved to tears that she hadn't stood up for him? We may not have seen all the bullying, but it certainly seems that it happened. As we've seen, bullying can lead to tragic results in children; why would an adult not feel the need to give it back when given the opportunity? I think Ozzy, Whitney, Keith, and Jim screwed themselves by their own actions, be it the way they chose to vote or the way they apparently treated Cochran, like a lesser member of the tribe, a place-maker they found expendable at their convenience.Cochran was not bullied, c'mon, that's a bunch of BS. He was probably talked down to by Keith, but bullied? What did they bully the idiot about? Did they shove him around and steal his coconuts? Can any one of you imagine getting on this season and boom, right when the merge happens you start to believe Coach is genuine and all his blabber is for real? Cochran is a moron of a Survivor fan. As for Dawn moved to tears - she was one of the people that was all gung-ho about sending his ass to Redemption Island so he could take responsibility for his stupidity in the challenge...she did some of the so-called 'bullying'. Anyone crying a river for the bullying of Cochran is just about as stupid as he is. Now if Cochran gets beat-up after this tribal council, then I might feel bad for him for a nano-second, otherwise please with the bully crap, it's utter nonsense.Yes, Cochran was bullied. Pretty severely. That's about all I can post since I'm not one to post spoilers, but let's not be naive and think the show was edited to show every -- or even the worst -- of what Cochran got, since it might not necessarily fit their story arc for him.
EC101 wrote:SolitaryPhoenix wrote: If they treated Cochran so well, why was Dawn moved to tears that she hadn't stood up for him? We may not have seen all the bullying, but it certainly seems that it happened. As we've seen, bullying can lead to tragic results in children; why would an adult not feel the need to give it back when given the opportunity? I think Ozzy, Whitney, Keith, and Jim screwed themselves by their own actions, be it the way they chose to vote or the way they apparently treated Cochran, like a lesser member of the tribe, a place-maker they found expendable at their convenience.Cochran was not bullied, c'mon, that's a bunch of BS. He was probably talked down to by Keith, but bullied? What did they bully the idiot about? Did they shove him around and steal his coconuts? Can any one of you imagine getting on this season and boom, right when the merge happens you start to believe Coach is genuine and all his blabber is for real? Cochran is a moron of a Survivor fan. As for Dawn moved to tears - she was one of the people that was all gung-ho about sending his ass to Redemption Island so he could take responsibility for his stupidity in the challenge...she did some of the so-called 'bullying'. Anyone crying a river for the bullying of Cochran is just about as stupid as he is. Now if Cochran gets beat-up after this tribal council, then I might feel bad for him for a nano-second, otherwise please with the bully crap, it's utter nonsense.
SolitaryPhoenix wrote: If they treated Cochran so well, why was Dawn moved to tears that she hadn't stood up for him? We may not have seen all the bullying, but it certainly seems that it happened. As we've seen, bullying can lead to tragic results in children; why would an adult not feel the need to give it back when given the opportunity? I think Ozzy, Whitney, Keith, and Jim screwed themselves by their own actions, be it the way they chose to vote or the way they apparently treated Cochran, like a lesser member of the tribe, a place-maker they found expendable at their convenience.
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(11/06/11 12:07 PM)
SwineForkbeard wrote:It is apparent from the insider videos that the Upolus approached him for an endgame deal
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(11/06/11 12:08 PM)
SwineForkbeard wrote:Whether Cochran was bullied or not is completely subjective and depends on who you ask. It is apparent from the insider videos that the Upolus approached him for an endgame deal while Savaii did not. So suffice it to say that, bullying or no bullying, it's entirely their fault that they expected Cochran to stick his neck out for them but didn't bother to convince him that he had much to gain if it paid off.
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(11/06/11 12:43 PM)
JT4ever wrote:Windmill Bill wrote:Yes, Cochran was bullied. Pretty severely. That's about all I can post since I'm not one to post spoilersThanks for the completely unsubstantiated character assassination.Next.
Windmill Bill wrote:Yes, Cochran was bullied. Pretty severely. That's about all I can post since I'm not one to post spoilers
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(11/06/11 12:44 PM)
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JT4ever wrote:SwineForkbeard wrote:It is apparent from the insider videos that the Upolus approached him for an endgame dealSo what exactly was Upolu's F4 promise worth considering that:1 - Upolu had the end game to win and nothing to do lose by making that promise.2 - If Upolu go back on their word, they only have the roach's vote to lose.3 - The roach can't expect to get any leverage from threatening to tell the world about the promise because a) the other 3 Upolu members will believe it was a perfectly acceptable ploy to get the roach to flip, and b) the Savaii members will just laugh and say, "Oh you poor baby."So I'm thinking that anyone with half a brain would have realized how utterly worthless that agreement was.Meanwhile, what had Savaii already shown to the roach:1 - That they were willing to vote out bigger threats ahead of him.2 - That they were willing to work with him to oust said bigger threats.3 - That one of them trusted him enough to give him his valuable HII when there was no way anyone could force the roach to give the idol back.So I'm thinking that if the roach factored respective "promises" into his decision, he's even stupider than I think.At the end of the day, the roach didn't want to face the PROD. Everything else is rationalization.
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(11/06/11 12:48 PM)
monicajamiemoore wrote:Windmill Bill wrote:EC101 wrote:Cochran was not bullied, c'mon, that's a bunch of BS. He was probably talked down to by Keith, but bullied? What did they bully the idiot about? Did they shove him around and steal his coconuts? Can any one of you imagine getting on this season and boom, right when the merge happens you start to believe Coach is genuine and all his blabber is for real? Cochran is a moron of a Survivor fan. As for Dawn moved to tears - she was one of the people that was all gung-ho about sending his ass to Redemption Island so he could take responsibility for his stupidity in the challenge...she did some of the so-called 'bullying'. Anyone crying a river for the bullying of Cochran is just about as stupid as he is. Now if Cochran gets beat-up after this tribal council, then I might feel bad for him for a nano-second, otherwise please with the bully crap, it's utter nonsense.Yes, Cochran was bullied. Pretty severely. That's about all I can post since I'm not one to post spoilers, but let's not be naive and think the show was edited to show every -- or even the worst -- of what Cochran got, since it might not necessarily fit their story arc for him.Well since Cochran story arch is "woe is me" then the above would have fit just perfectly with such an arch. So I don't buy it.
Windmill Bill wrote:EC101 wrote:Cochran was not bullied, c'mon, that's a bunch of BS. He was probably talked down to by Keith, but bullied? What did they bully the idiot about? Did they shove him around and steal his coconuts? Can any one of you imagine getting on this season and boom, right when the merge happens you start to believe Coach is genuine and all his blabber is for real? Cochran is a moron of a Survivor fan. As for Dawn moved to tears - she was one of the people that was all gung-ho about sending his ass to Redemption Island so he could take responsibility for his stupidity in the challenge...she did some of the so-called 'bullying'. Anyone crying a river for the bullying of Cochran is just about as stupid as he is. Now if Cochran gets beat-up after this tribal council, then I might feel bad for him for a nano-second, otherwise please with the bully crap, it's utter nonsense.Yes, Cochran was bullied. Pretty severely. That's about all I can post since I'm not one to post spoilers, but let's not be naive and think the show was edited to show every -- or even the worst -- of what Cochran got, since it might not necessarily fit their story arc for him.
EC101 wrote:Cochran was not bullied, c'mon, that's a bunch of BS. He was probably talked down to by Keith, but bullied? What did they bully the idiot about? Did they shove him around and steal his coconuts? Can any one of you imagine getting on this season and boom, right when the merge happens you start to believe Coach is genuine and all his blabber is for real? Cochran is a moron of a Survivor fan. As for Dawn moved to tears - she was one of the people that was all gung-ho about sending his ass to Redemption Island so he could take responsibility for his stupidity in the challenge...she did some of the so-called 'bullying'. Anyone crying a river for the bullying of Cochran is just about as stupid as he is. Now if Cochran gets beat-up after this tribal council, then I might feel bad for him for a nano-second, otherwise please with the bully crap, it's utter nonsense.
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(11/06/11 01:24 PM)
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(11/06/11 02:45 PM)
SwineForkbeard wrote:What "bigger threats" are you talking about, Elyse? That wasn't voting out a threat, that was a power play by Jim to weaken Ozzy so he could be the one calling the shots.
Jim also said he wanted to keep Ozzy around after the merge because he's a bigger target
So I find your analysis unconvincing, since if Cochran hasn't had any explicit promises from his tribemates, all he has are assumptions. Assumptions that his tribemates will all be rational and predictable
and blind faith that an Upolu will pick the rock.
If I were to assume anything, it would be that if my tribemates aren't discussing the endgame with me, it means that I'm not in their endgame plans.
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(11/06/11 03:00 PM)
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(11/06/11 03:08 PM)
JT4ever wrote:
We didn't exactly see Upolu going around making end game deals with each other either.
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(11/06/11 03:09 PM)
SwineForkbeard wrote:Savaii couldn't be bothered to keep their weak link on the reservation because they were "too busy?" Are you that loath to concede that the fault doesn't lie with Cochran alone that you'll make such a ludicrous excuse for them?
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(11/06/11 03:12 PM)
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(11/06/11 03:14 PM)
SwineForkbeard wrote:If we didn't see it, it couldn't have happened. Kind of like those bogus bullying rumors Cochran made up.
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(11/06/11 03:25 PM)
Kirblar wrote:the sole surviva wrote:savaii brought this upon themselves when they treated cochran like shitSaving someone 4 times at Tribal Council is treating someone like shit?
the sole surviva wrote:savaii brought this upon themselves when they treated cochran like shit
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