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analysis of the jury votes: I can see why Coach thinks he should have won

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juju		#61	[-]
Posts: 155 (12/20/11 07:55 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ad freedom fighters united! Remove this ad marlin, baby, you better go get your cut of that 56K before he blows it all in NYC. just sayin'.
BigWhale		#62	[-]
Posts: 637 (12/20/11 08:13 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	marlin wrote: Coach and Albert(especially Albert), were the perfect goats. Whoever was in the finals with them wins. If we replace Sophie with Brandon, Brandon wins. If we replace her with Rick, Rick wins. If we replace her with Ozzy, Ozzy wins. That's the truth. The only way that Coach could have possibly won was if he was with Albert and Cochran at the finals. I think that even Edna would have a good shot beating him. Albert had no chance no matter what. If this had taken place before 2008, then Albert would have won by a landslide. But now Albert remind people of Obama. A pretty face. A lot of talks about how good they are. But they can't execute according to their "good" plans.
Utopian		#63	[-]
Posts: 7177 (12/20/11 08:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sophie said in one interview that Cochran asked her "what was the biggest move of the game?" Her answer was "Not yours. Your move was stupid." I take back anything bad I've ever said about Sophie. And a jury sometimes gets sequestered, but individual jury members are never sequestered from one another. The whole point of a jury is to deliberate as a group so that each member can hear and consider the viewpoints of the other jury members.
SC0TT		#64	[-]
Posts: 349 (12/20/11 09:04 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	If Cochran is not gay yet, it won't be long before he finds out he really is gay. He was giddy & jabbering like a teenage girl while gazing at Ben Wade at Final Tribal Questions. And why did Ben cover his eyes when Sophie won? Did he cry?
leland palmer		#65	[-]
Posts: 13 (12/20/11 09:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'm so glad Fiona won. I love her since 2001. The ogress that defeated the phony dragon slayer.
vwpatterson3		#66	[-]
Posts: 6501 (12/20/11 10:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SC0TT wrote: If Cochran is not gay yet, it won't be long before he finds out he really is gay. He was giddy & jabbering like a teenage girl while gazing at Ben Wade at Final Tribal Questions. And why did Ben cover his eyes when Sophie won? Did he cry? Yes. He realized he's back to preaching in the backwoods and "conducting" symphonies on the side. So much for Zeus.
redemptionislandsucks		#67	[-]
Posts: 222 (12/20/11 10:56 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	FistOLegend wrote: So? They were free to vote however they like. The best player won, same as every other season. Wrong. You can't say the "jury is always right" any more than the "voters" in elections are always right (see Bush).
FistOLegend		#68	[-]
Posts: 1464 (12/20/11 11:03 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	They're not voting for the president, they're voting for the winner of a game show. You're supposed to do two things in Survivor; not get voted out, in which Sophie, Coach and Albert were equally effective, and win the jury vote, where Sophie succeeded and the others failed. Hence she's the best player. What's so fucking complicated about this?
JLK Name		#69	[-]
Posts: 19897 (12/20/11 11:26 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Coach should have won PERIOD!
marshal99		#70	[-]
Posts: 3788 (12/20/11 11:33 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ad freedom fighters united! Remove this ad Nope , he shouldn't win. He did not even own up to his own strategy , he let Sophie walk all over him and even take the credit for that - "She does his strategising for him". Coach was a major flop in the FTC and he contributed to his own downfall. Nobody to blame but himself.
Angelea		#71	[-]
Posts: 1 (12/20/11 11:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Coach promised the jury too much and never intended on delivering on his promises. His honor and integrity stuff angered the jury since they knew damn well that they had been manipulated. He didn't own up to it.
SC0TT		#72	[-]
Posts: 350 (12/21/11 12:48 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	JLK Name wrote: Coach should have won PERIOD! Your right, after 3 fucking times he should have won. How many times did Sophie try Survivor? Once, and she won. If Ben Wade would learn how to swim and snorkel deep to get the big fish to feed his tribe he would have been rewarded. So what does he do instead? He wasted so much time on Tai-Glee, some stupid self taught motions he learned from YouTube Videos. No food in camp, but plenty of time to do his hair and some Tai-Glee. He always has to look pretty for the camera. All the staged praying he did, on your knees, on your knees! You would think after playing 2 times before he would realize all this bullshit he tries to stage is on National TV. On Ben Wades Final tribal, when it was time to tell them why he should win, he choked. He should have said, #1 I got Johnny Cochran to flip, it made the game in our favor to win. He did not say anything about it, Ben lost the game on his own. He had his chance to pleade his case. And when he said to Ozzy, "As a Christian man you have my word I will take you to the end". And then on a Confessional Ben Wade said he told this to Ozzy and he was a man of his word. So BS, Ben Wade lost all his credibility back in the first game when he told the world the Amazon Pygmy Capture and escape story.
Buddha DeCat		#73	[-]
Posts: 645 (12/21/11 12:54 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SC0TT wrote: JLK Name wrote: Coach should have won PERIOD! Your right, after 3 fucking times he should have won. How many times did Sophie try Survivor? Once, and she won. If Ben Wade would learn how to swim and snorkel deep to get the big fish to feed his tribe he would have been rewarded. So what does he do instead? He wasted so much time on Tai-Glee, some stupid self taught motions he learned from YouTube Videos. No food in camp, but plenty of time to do his hair and some Tai-Glee. He always has to look pretty for the camera. All the staged praying he did, on your knees, on your knees! You would think after playing 2 times before he would realize all this bullshit he tries to stage is on National TV. On Ben Wades Final tribal, when it was time to tell them why he should win, he choked. He should have said, #1 I got Johnny Cochran to flip, it made the game in our favor to win. He did not say anything about it, Ben lost the game on his own. He had his chance to pleade his case. And when he said to Ozzy, "As a Christian man you have my word I will take you to the end". And then on a Confessional Ben Wade said he told this to Ozzy and he was a man of his word. So BS, Ben Wade lost all his credibility back in the first game when he told the world the Amazon Pygmy Capture and escape story. Uh, it took him 3 fucking times to even make it to the end. Expecting him to win is just unrealistic. If he was given a thousand chances, Coach still wouldn't have the physical or mental capability to win Survivor.
Apollo x		#74	[-]
Posts: 186 (12/21/11 01:00 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	redemptionislandsucks wrote: FistOLegend wrote: So? They were free to vote however they like. The best player won, same as every other season. Wrong. You can't say the "jury is always right" any more than the "voters" in elections are always right (see Bush). Not sure if trolling or really that stupid.
solesurvivor		#75	[-]
Posts: 130 (12/21/11 02:58 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	This sucks. It's clearly bitter jury. The Savaii tribe hated Coach because his tribe members worship him like some cult leader. Whitney hated Coach because he was always telling people what to do (if u watched the secret scenes) Savaii probably discussed it before voting. They knew they had the numbers and determine who could win. If u look at the Upolu members, they clearly vote for the deserving among their own tribe members, which is Coach.
mosjoh08		#76	[-]
Posts: 7 (12/21/11 03:33 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	FistOLegend wrote: They're not voting for the president, they're voting for the winner of a game show. You're supposed to do two things in Survivor; not get voted out, in which Sophie, Coach and Albert were equally effective, and win the jury vote, where Sophie succeeded and the others failed. Hence she's the best player. What's so fucking complicated about this? A lot is complicated about it FistOlegend. Yes, three people make it to the final three but the same result does not necessarily mean equal. Some people get lucky, some people backstab there way, some go on immunity win streaks and a variety of other ways. Its up to the jury to decide who got there the best but hat is very subjective and hard to predict. Jury members can vote for someone for a variety of reasons and not all are good. Remember when Richard Hatch won? It was a 4-3 win with one vote being decided by picking a random number. If Kelly would of won would that make her the best player? Of course not. Survivor is a great show not because the outcomes are always just or that the game is fair its a great show because it mirrors life. A really good example of this is when Boston Rob was voted out in Heroes vs Villains. Was it his fault that Tyson fucked up? Of course not, but he did pay the price. Boston Rob could of been the best player that game but was voted out too early. Or how about in season 2 when Mike Skupin fell into the fire and Jeff Varner gets voted out because Kimmi stupidly told the other tribe that Jeff had votes? This holds up for the jury as well. Hell in Samoa who had the host / producer of the show say that the Jury was wrong. Survivor is not like a football game where you can look up at the board and cleanly see who was better that day. The person in 12th place may of played a better game than the person that finished 2nd, but a variety of reasons can skew the outcomes to the way they were. The jury vote is no exception to this.
wolfytheblack		#77	[-]
Posts: 2098 (12/21/11 03:43 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Greg was always going to vote for Rich, he was just being a bastard to the producers like he had been doing all season. I really wish people would stop bringing that up.
Psycho Billy Cadillac 1		#78	[-]
Posts: 1310 (12/21/11 03:48 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'm pretty sure coach is a closet homosexual peadophile. Why do you think he latched onto Cochran....and kept taking him off alone? You need to do some more research.
cx		#79	[-]
Posts: 2910 (12/21/11 03:54 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	mosjoh08 wrote: FistOLegend wrote: They're not voting for the president, they're voting for the winner of a game show. You're supposed to do two things in Survivor; not get voted out, in which Sophie, Coach and Albert were equally effective, and win the jury vote, where Sophie succeeded and the others failed. Hence she's the best player. What's so fucking complicated about this? A lot is complicated about it FistOlegend. Yes, three people make it to the final three but the same result does not necessarily mean equal. Some people get lucky, some people backstab there way, some go on immunity win streaks and a variety of other ways. Its up to the jury to decide who got there the best but hat is very subjective and hard to predict. Jury members can vote for someone for a variety of reasons and not all are good. Remember when Richard Hatch won? It was a 4-3 win with one vote being decided by picking a random number. If Kelly would of won would that make her the best player? Of course not. Survivor is a great show not because the outcomes are always just or that the game is fair its a great show because it mirrors life. A really good example of this is when Boston Rob was voted out in Heroes vs Villains. Was it his fault that Tyson fucked up? Of course not, but he did pay the price. Boston Rob could of been the best player that game but was voted out too early. Or how about in season 2 when Mike Skupin fell into the fire and Jeff Varner gets voted out because Kimmi stupidly told the other tribe that Jeff had votes? This holds up for the jury as well. Hell in Samoa who had the host / producer of the show say that the Jury was wrong. Survivor is not like a football game where you can look up at the board and cleanly see who was better that day. The person in 12th place may of played a better game than the person that finished 2nd, but a variety of reasons can skew the outcomes to the way they were. The jury vote is no exception to this. I agree that many people use results to value past decisions, but I'm afraid all we can do is look at the results rather than the hypotheticals, because let's face it - hypotheticals, especially in a game that can be influenced by tons of variables like Survivor, are pointless to assess since we don't know what a person finishing in 12th would have done if they made it to the next round of the game. If Coach and Sophie played Survivor 1000 times in some sort of simulator we may have an idea of who's the best Survivor player, but since we can't practically do that in real life, assessing the best game based on what could have happened is meaningless. As it turns out Sophie played the game that netted her the win, does that make her the best player? In a results-oriented sense, yes. In a hypothetical-oriented sense, who the fuck knows.
perrocaliente		#80	[-]
Posts: 2912 (12/21/11 05:07 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ad freedom fighters united! Remove this ad Coach didn't deserve shit. Hell, Benjamin didn't deserve the three votes he got. Sophie and Albert played their asses off and controlled the flow of the game while that fucker was doing tai chi. Benjamin fans are so ridiculous.

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analysis of the jury votes: I can see why Coach thinks he should have won