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Buddha DeCat		#101	[-]
Posts: 651 (12/21/11 04:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. Remove this ad The fact that Coach even came as close as he did to winning just shows how lame Sophie & Albert actually were. For people to seriously argue that Coach should have won against, literally, a tomato can, is just crazy. Coach was the goat -- as he has always been since we first met him in Tocantins, only this time Sophie & Albert were so lame themselves they had to put up with the delusional jackass for 39 days rather than boot him at their earliest opportunity because they knew they couldn't win against anyone else.
Simone		#102	[-]
Posts: 1096 (12/21/11 04:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	iluvreality wrote: I don't have the links, but take a look at the youtube videos of the jurors right before FTC discussing their voting strategies. Most of them basically said that Coach was responsible for keeping the final 5 together, etc. Ozzie most likely didn't want Coach to win and told the rest of the star struck jury to vote for Sophie. He claims that Coach didn't own up to his loyalty BS, but in fact he did when Cochran questioned him. I think Ozzie was a crybaby bitter juror. This is complete bullshit. If he had voted for Coach he would be accused of being sexist and being bitter because Sophie beat him. When my beloved KU chokes in the March tourney, I always hope that the team that takes them out goes on to win it all. Ozzy is someone who actually values the ability to win challenges, why is it so hard to believe that he just plain thinks Sophie played a better game than Coach?
rower		#103	[-]
Posts: 4071 (12/21/11 04:32 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	iluvreality wrote: I don't have the links, but take a look at the youtube videos of the jurors right before FTC discussing their voting strategies. Most of them basically said that Coach was responsible for keeping the final 5 together, etc. Ozzie most likely didn't want Coach to win and told the rest of the star struck jury to vote for Sophie. He claims that Coach didn't own up to his loyalty BS, but in fact he did when Cochran questioned him. I think Ozzie was a crybaby bitter juror. You're kidding right? You have no idea what Ozzy wanted do you? Ozzy only wanted Coach to cut the crap and for once in 39 days be honest. Coach failed. Sophie was 100% right in her interview when she said ALL Coach had to do to WIN the game was OWN up that he manipulated people with religion and that he was playing the game Survivor, which everyone knows entails lying, backstabbing and manipulation. Ozzy told Coach that upfront in the TC and gave Coach every opportunity to just be honest. INSTEAD Sophie took what she was seeing and gave the jury what they wanted.... honesty. That's why the Savaii voted for her, not because Ozzy told them to.
Utopian		#104	[-]
Posts: 7180 (12/21/11 04:34 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Since Ozzy was not going to win Survivor, he was determined to make sure Mr. Wade didn't either. As others have pointed out, the Savaii 5 didn't know Sophie well or how she had played the game (so they had no reason to vote for her based on merit), they thought Mr. Wade was more responsible than anyone for Cochran's sell-out, and they were crazy for Ozzy. Ozzy got his former tribe members together and it was an easy sell for him to get the others not to vote for Mr. Wade. And besides, Mr. Wade, up to a point, did own up to his lies and lack of "honor." The problem is, short of killing himself on the spot, nothing Mr. Wade could have said or done would have been sufficient to dissuade the Savaiii 5 from preventing Mr. Wade from winning the million. This is not saying the Savaii 5 were bitter. Only Ozzy was bitter, not the other 4. It's just that the other 4 were so smitten with Ozzy that they simply did what they had done all game: followed Ozzy's lead and voted for someone other than Mr. Wade.
Moo55		#105	[-]
Posts: 18 (12/21/11 05:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Wow. Personally, I think the right person won. Sure, Sophie was flawed. She was impatient, intolerant, condescending, etc., but she never pretended she wasn't. She basically went in and said "this is me, Sophie Clarke, I can be a bitch, I can be stubborn, etc., but this is the real me. If you vote for me to win then you know EXACTLY who you are giving a million dollars to. You might not like me, you might find me spoiled, whatever, but I'm not making any pretences. This is how I played, I'm being honest with you, I'm not going to pretend to be nice to you in an attempt to get your vote." Albert was evasive and came off incredibly fake. The jury had no idea who he really was and I wouldn't be comfortable voting for a virtual stranger to have a million dollars. Coach contradicted himself constantly, and I wouldn't have voted for him either. He claimed to be a warrior but won only one challenge (a challenge where people were playing to eliminate Edna, rather than win for themselves). He claimed to play with honour and integrity but lied to and manipulated almost everyone on the jury. He was just a walking contradiction and again, I would have wondered who he really was. Sophie won because she made no pretences. Ironically, the one who made the least claims to be honest and truthful ... was probably the most.
cx		#106	[-]
Posts: 2929 (12/21/11 05:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Moo55 wrote: Ironically, the one who made the least claims to be honest and truthful ... was probably the most. Spoiler [+]
Moo55		#107	[-]
Posts: 19 (12/21/11 05:48 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	cx wrote: Moo55 wrote: Ironically, the one who made the least claims to be honest and truthful ... was probably the most. Spoiler [+] Yeah, that came to my mind as I was typing that too :D But it's kinda the same principle shrug
iluvreality		#108	[-]
Posts: 103 (12/21/11 05:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	rower wrote: iluvreality wrote: I don't have the links, but take a look at the youtube videos of the jurors right before FTC discussing their voting strategies. Most of them basically said that Coach was responsible for keeping the final 5 together, etc. Ozzie most likely didn't want Coach to win and told the rest of the star struck jury to vote for Sophie. He claims that Coach didn't own up to his loyalty BS, but in fact he did when Cochran questioned him. I think Ozzie was a crybaby bitter juror. You're kidding right? You have no idea what Ozzy wanted do you? Ozzy only wanted Coach to cut the crap and for once in 39 days be honest. Coach failed. Sophie was 100% right in her interview when she said ALL Coach had to do to WIN the game was OWN up that he manipulated people with religion and that he was playing the game Survivor, which everyone knows entails lying, backstabbing and manipulation. Ozzy told Coach that upfront in the TC and gave Coach every opportunity to just be honest. INSTEAD Sophie took what she was seeing and gave the jury what they wanted.... honesty. That's why the Savaii voted for her, not because Ozzy told them to. Coach in fact DID own up. Listen to his answer to Cochran's question. No doubt in my mind that Ozzie was the bitter juror this season.
iluvreality		#109	[-]
Posts: 104 (12/21/11 05:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Utopian wrote: Since Ozzy was not going to win Survivor, he was determined to make sure Mr. Wade didn't either. As others have pointed out, the Savaii 5 didn't know Sophie well or how she had played the game (so they had no reason to vote for her based on merit), they thought Mr. Wade was more responsible than anyone for Cochran's sell-out, and they were crazy for Ozzy. Ozzy got his former tribe members together and it was an easy sell for him to get the others not to vote for Mr. Wade. And besides, Mr. Wade, up to a point, did own up to his lies and lack of "honor." The problem is, short of killing himself on the spot, nothing Mr. Wade could have said or done would have been sufficient to dissuade the Savaiii 5 from preventing Mr. Wade from winning the million. This is not saying the Savaii 5 were bitter. Only Ozzy was bitter, not the other 4. It's just that the other 4 were so smitten with Ozzy that they simply did what they had done all game: followed Ozzy's lead and voted for someone other than Mr. Wade. ^
mtl		#110	[-]
Posts: 242 (12/21/11 06:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. Remove this ad I'm disappointed that Savaii members voted for Sophie instead of coach. I'm disappointed that Ozzy would vote for Sophie when she is the one that costed him the million dollars and was against him. True Coach was more phony and than he needed to be and is full of himself, but Sophie is just plain hateful and nasty. Her social game completely sucked even worse than coach and her IC wins didn't make up for it IMO. She was carried to the final by coach and not the other way around like she claimed. Her Final speech was pretty aweful. I thought Coach tried to admit that he made msitakes and he deserved the win. It's a given that feminist like Dawn and Whitney would vote for a female, but it's annoying that the men from Savaii Ozzy, Jim and Keith had to toe the line and vote for the female contestant too. I knew if Sophie got into the final she'd be a huge threat to win. Coach may have had a better chance against Ozzy as unbelievable as it sounds.
solesurvivor		#111	[-]
Posts: 135 (12/21/11 06:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	You guys seem to have forgotten Ozzy came fresh off camp. Of course there's still a little bitterness in him. But he did not NOT vote for Coach because he was sore. He did not vote Coach because Coach wasn't honest even at the final tribal council. If Coach had owned up his game, maybe he would have gotten Ozzy's vote. Coach could have said that he knew he can't win Ozzy at the final 3 and that alone would have gotten Ozzy's vote. (it's not even bootlicking). I was half expecting Ozzy not to vote Sophie because he didn't like her but apparently he was able to put that aside and face it that Sophie had defeated him at the final challenge. Regarding the votes of the other members of the Savaii tribe, I doubt they were influenced by Ozzy. Maybe Ozzy had told them that Coach didn't keep his word as a Christian man, but Ozzy certainly didn't tell them not to vote for Coach. Dawn was going to vote Sophie. Whitney hated Coach's preaching and you can totally tell from earlier videos. Keith was going to vote the same as Whitney. I wasn't expecting Jim to sore over Coach. That's the only vote I couldn't understand. I thought Jim would be accept Coach's gameplay.
iluvreality		#112	[-]
Posts: 107 (12/21/11 06:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Coach DID own up to his game after Cochran's question!!!! Whitney hated Sophie, so where did that vote come from?
solesurvivor		#113	[-]
Posts: 136 (12/21/11 06:39 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Whitney hated Coach. In a secret scene, Coach was ordering the tribe to ration coconuts, and for each member to get 2 coconuts each everyday. Whitney hated him for telling her what to do... I doubt Sophie ordered Whitney around camp.
marlin		#114	[-]
Posts: 315 (12/21/11 06:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Maybe Brandon was the one who convinced the savaiis to vote for Sophie. Pure speculation of course. If he told them all the details about Coach's promises and his use of christianity i can easily see the jury getting disgusted with him. Brandon said in his jury confessional that Sophie is the only straightforward player in the finals. The savaiis didn't know her that well and he could have easily convinced them that she is way more deserving then the laying bastards. Rick and Edna for sure didn't make her any favors, and the three of them knew her the best.
juju		#115	[-]
Posts: 164 (12/21/11 06:58 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	marlin wrote: Maybe Brandon was the one who convinced the savaiis to vote for Sophie. Pure speculation of course. If he told them all the details about Coach's promises and his use of christianity i can easily see the jury getting disgusted with him. Brandon said in his jury confessional that Sophie is the only straightforward player in the finals. The savaiis didn't know her that well and he could have easily convinced them that she is way more deserving then the laying bastards. Rick and Edna for sure didn't make her any favors, and the three of them knew her the best. Honey, did ya getcher money? I'm tellin' ya. The NYC hookers see a rube like Brandon comin', they steal him blind.
iluvreality		#116	[-]
Posts: 108 (12/21/11 07:05 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	solesurvivor wrote: Whitney hated Coach. In a secret scene, Coach was ordering the tribe to ration coconuts, and for each member to get 2 coconuts each everyday. Whitney hated him for telling her what to do... I doubt Sophie ordered Whitney around camp. Watch Whitney's comment to Sophie at FTC.
redemptionislandsucks		#117	[-]
Posts: 232 (12/21/11 08:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	solesurvivor wrote: You guys seem to have forgotten Ozzy came fresh off camp. Of course there's still a little bitterness in him. But he did not NOT vote for Coach because he was sore. He did not vote Coach because Coach wasn't honest even at the final tribal council. If Coach had owned up his game, maybe he would have gotten Ozzy's vote. Coach could have said that he knew he can't win Ozzy at the final 3 and that alone would have gotten Ozzy's vote. (it's not even bootlicking). I was half expecting Ozzy not to vote Sophie because he didn't like her but apparently he was able to put that aside and face it that Sophie had defeated him at the final challenge. See the answer above: "Coach in fact DID own up. Listen to his answer to Cochran's question. No doubt in my mind that Ozzie was the bitter juror this season."
Noctivagant		#118	[-]
Posts: 2211 (12/21/11 08:25 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	iluvreality wrote: solesurvivor wrote: Whitney hated Coach. In a secret scene, Coach was ordering the tribe to ration coconuts, and for each member to get 2 coconuts each everyday. Whitney hated him for telling her what to do... I doubt Sophie ordered Whitney around camp. Watch Whitney's comment to Sophie at FTC. You know...just because someone thinks another is condescending, doesn't mean they hate them. Also these jurors wanted the blunt fuckin' truth and when Whitney made her comment, Sophie gave her a straight answer that probably picked up her vote. Plus as someone pointed out, Whitney REALLY didn't like Coach and his ways. Anyways So.Much.Fuckin'.Truth in Moo55's post.
marshal99		#119	[-]
Posts: 3806 (12/21/11 08:33 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	iluvreality wrote: Coach DID own up to his game after Cochran's question!!!! Whitney hated Sophie, so where did that vote come from? If Coach do not own up before in his opening speech and he needed the jury to batter him before he own up , it's too little , too late. Coach was dodging left and right and tried to skip around the question when it was first brought up by Ozzy. Fact is , the guy was delusional and drank his own cool-aid , he really does believes that he played with honor and integrity when he stabbed his own people in the back.
iluvreality		#120	[-]
Posts: 111 (12/21/11 08:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. Remove this ad marshal99 wrote: iluvreality wrote: Coach DID own up to his game after Cochran's question!!!! Whitney hated Sophie, so where did that vote come from? If Coach do not own up before in his opening speech and he needed the jury to batter him before he own up , it's too little , too late. Coach was dodging left and right and tried to skip around the question when it was first brought up by Ozzy. Fact is , the guy was delusional and drank his own cool-aid , he really does believes that he played with honor and integrity when he stabbed his own people in the back. He fessed up after Cochran's question.

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