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Sophie is definitely the most underserving win of all time

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SC0TT		#321	[-]
Posts: 365 (12/22/11 11:18 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ads - The reason I wake up every morning. Remove this ad I am not a fanatic of any player, the bottom line is Sophie dominated and she won. you got to give credit where credit is due. she is a powerful young female, kicked ass in the last challenge, and she got the votes to win. a winner is a winner,
mtl		#322	[-]
Posts: 247 (12/22/11 11:24 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	True she won some challenges and got the votes to win. But that doesn't mean someone else shouldn't have gotten the votes or that she didn't have luck on her side or that she had great social game or was likable. It's just annoying when people say she was controlling the tribe and was some great mastermind etc.
SC0TT		#323	[-]
Posts: 366 (12/22/11 11:26 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	that's the good thing about Survivor, Whoever wins the game was more deserving than the others. A vote is a vote is a vote.
mtl		#324	[-]
Posts: 249 (12/22/11 11:33 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SC0TT wrote: that's the good thing about Survivor, Whoever wins the game was more deserving than the others. A vote is a vote is a vote. But a vote is basically an opinion full of biases. I don't believe all opinions are equally valid or do I agree with everyone.
SC0TT		#325	[-]
Posts: 367 (12/22/11 11:36 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	That's what is so great about Survivor, You have to vote out people you play with and they decided if you deserve to win. Could not be any easier. None of us were there, so we don't know everything that happened. Bottom line is, Sophie won fair and square by the rules set by the game.
mtl		#326	[-]
Posts: 251 (12/22/11 11:51 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yes but none of that means the jury was necessary correct with their votes or anyone has to agree with it. You know sometimes a guilty person is set free and an innocent is sent to prison following the same arguments you layed out. The main point isn't whether Sophie deserved the win over Coach or not. The main contention that I have is with people saying Sophie was/did XYZ greatness that isn't in evidence. Heck, for all we know some of the jury simply wanted to see a female win. The only thing that's really known is sophie won immunity challenges and the tribe needed her to fend off Ozzy. She won some challenges and got the votes. But that's all.
Battlekid		#327	[-]
Posts: 357 (12/22/11 12:03 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	mtl wrote: Yes but none of that means the jury was necessary correct with their votes or anyone has to agree with it. You know sometimes a guilty person is set free and an innocent is sent to prison following the same arguments you layed out. The main point isn't whether Sophie deserved the win over Coach or not. The main contention that I have is with people saying Sophie was/did XYZ greatness that isn't in evidence. Heck, for all we know some of the jury simply wanted to see a female win. The only thing that's really known is sophie won immunity challenges and the tribe needed her to fend off Ozzy. She won some challenges and got the votes. But that's all. You act likewinning immunities is a small thing. It's one of the most important parts of the game. You ask the majority of people who think Ozzy should have won,(which is 90% of viewers) why they think he should have won, and they'll say because he was great at challenges, which is the only thing he was good at, yet, Sophie won more challenges than him, and she defeated him directly, but now all of a sudden challenges mean nothing?, they're only signifigant when it pertains to Ozzy? Stop being a baby. Last Edited By: Battlekid 12/22/11 12:08 PM. Edited 1 times.
Sardonicus		#328	[-]
Posts: 2943 (12/22/11 12:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	mtl wrote: Sardonicus wrote: mtl wrote: Agree, very well stated. "Coach" did not set up the alliance. He and Brandon joined an already existing alliance of Albert-Sophie-Rick. "Coach" did lead the alliance I will give you that but it was more of a figurehead role. As far as "Coach" deciding the fate of the alliance this is just pure speculation based on absolutely nothing whatsoever. There is ZERO evidence that "Coach" was the deciding factor in every vote. None. As far as Sophie failing to get Edna out at episode 6? Give me a break. Not only was that vote insignifigant to the rest of the season but it was Rick who decided who went home that night. As far as Cochran is concerned the person most responsible for Cochran flipping was Cochran. According to Dawn, Cochran was absolutely smitten with "Coach" and couldn't wait to play with the "Dragonslayer". It didn't take much to get him to flip. As far as jury management goes it was even close, Sophie blew away both Albert and Benjamin. Even before FTC she thew Albert under the bus by letting know that Albert was a phony and was just pandering for their votes by pretending to be nice tohim. At FTC, Sophie owned her game while "Coach" and Albert did not. Not only that but when Albert and Sophie claimed to be the real strategists of the season, "Coach" not only did not refute it but told the jury he was "bad" at strategy. Sophie definitely deseerved to win over those two clowns. I totally disagree. Clearly Coach could've voted out Sophie or whoever he wanted too. He had Rick, Brandon and most probably Albert willing to vote however he wanted. Ozzy and Albert voted out Sophie. It was totally Coach's call to keep Sophie. I don't know HTF people can argue that sophie was really controlling any alliance. Her only real alliance was with Albert and even that wasn't very solid. Coach could've taken anyone he wanted to the final with him, Ozzy, Brandon, Rick etc. I don't like Coach but he deserved to win, not sophie. Coach had the most control over the tribe from start to finish. Sophie was given the win. How do you know "Coach" had Rick? Where's the proof? Yes, he sided with "Coach" on the Mikayala vote but that doesn't mean "Coach" controlled him. We do know Rick had a F3 alliance with Sophie and Albert. What kind of deal did Rick have with Ben? Brandon was never going to vote any of the Upolo 5 out of the game until there were no more people to vote out. he made that quite clear. You say Sophie's only alliance was with Albert? Are you friggin kidding me? She had many alliances. She had a F3 with Albert and Rick (not shown). She had a F3 with Albert ad "Coach". She even alluded to an alliance she had with Edna in one of her interviews. As far as who was controlling the alliance it was a 3 person show, just look at the HII. Albert finds the clue, shares it with Sophie and Ben. Ben finds the idol, shares it with Sophie and Albert. The three of them then decide to keep the idol to themselves. When the Cochran vote came around Ben told his alliance that he wanted to boot Edna, Sophie insisted it should be Cochran and Cochran ended up going home. Same thing with Brandon. Sophie wanted him gone and he went home. Now I am not saying this proves Sophie was in control the whole time but I do think it shows that it wasn't a one man show with "Coach" calling all the shots. As far as it being "Coach's" call to keep Sophie and not vote her out with Ozzy and Albert, the fact is she was never in any danger. She pegged "Coach" early on as someone who would be completely loyal to her all the way to the end and she was right. When Albert brought the idea up to him he completely shut it down. Oh and If Sophie had wanted to she could have booted "Coach" out of the game at F4.
mtl		#329	[-]
Posts: 254 (12/22/11 12:18 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Battlekid wrote: mtl wrote: Yes but none of that means the jury was necessary correct with their votes or anyone has to agree with it. You know sometimes a guilty person is set free and an innocent is sent to prison following the same arguments you layed out. The main point isn't whether Sophie deserved the win over Coach or not. The main contention that I have is with people saying Sophie was/did XYZ greatness that isn't in evidence. Heck, for all we know some of the jury simply wanted to see a female win. The only thing that's really known is sophie won immunity challenges and the tribe needed her to fend off Ozzy. She won some challenges and got the votes. But that's all. You act likewinning immunities is a small thing. It's one of the most important parts of the game. You ask the majority of people who think Ozzy should have won,(which is 90% of viewers) why they think he should have won, and they'll say because he was great at challenges, which is the only thing he was good at, yet, Sophie won more challenges than him, and she defeated him directly, but now all of a sudden it means nothing? Stop being a baby. No I agree with you to a large extent. I think winning challenges is important. I believe Ozzy won as many or more challenges just not the last one when it counted most. I'm not saying challenges aren't important. I'm saying that winning challenges even 3 shouldn't trump everything else. Coach got to the final without needing any challenge wins. I believe you can deserve the win for reasons besides winning challenges. I wonder what might have happened had Sophie got sent to RI instead of Brandon. Would the challenge still been hanging on to a pole? I doubt it, but even if the challenge was more gender neutral Ozzy probably would've won. Point is Upolu kept Sophie in the game to thwart off Ozzy. Sophie had to win challenges to make it even being on the dominant team. Coach did not and I'd argue if Ozzy was on the dominate team he could've won without winning as many challenges.
Celtic Burn		#330	[-]
Posts: 2744 (12/22/11 02:29 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ads - The reason I wake up every morning. Remove this ad God damn - apparently it would KILL some posters to give Sophie any credit for her game at all. A bitter jury has nothing on this crew.
X Steve		#331	[-]
Posts: 250 (12/22/11 02:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Celtic Burn wrote: God damn - apparently it would KILL some posters to give Sophie any credit for her game at all. A bitter jury has nothing on this crew. Exactly. And I don't think the jury was bitter in the sense that the All-Stars jury was bitter. They saw faults in the way that Albert and Coach played the game and presented their reasons that they should win the million dollars. That wasn't bitter because they were outplayed, but disgusted because Albert was sleazy and Coach was a hypocrite, while Sophie came out, outlined her game play, outlined her weaknesses, and exposed Coach and Albert for their weaknesses. She didn't have to make any big moves, but she played the game well to get to the final 3, got rid of the biggest threats at FTC (helping to convince to get Brandon and Rick out of there, winning IC to get Ozzy out of there) and then made a convincing enough case while highlighting her strengths and her opponents obvious weaknesses. That's what you have to do to win, and she did it.
mtl		#332	[-]
Posts: 259 (12/22/11 02:56 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sophie didn't do any of that which you give her credit for. She simply won some challenges while being a bitch along the way (does being a bitch every hurt a females chances with anything?)and Coach and Albert were dumb enough and too weak to beat Ozzy to not boot her out before the end. Coach very well could have won this. At least two people Brandon and Ozzy said their vote could've went for him. Let's just say Sophie was more lucky than anything else. My theory is most of the women jurors were going to vote for a female no matter what and guys like Keith and maybe Ozzy go with whatever the women want.
Celtic Burn		#333	[-]
Posts: 2749 (12/22/11 02:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	mtl wrote: Sophie didn't do any of that which you give her credit for. She simply won some challenges while being a bitch along the way (does being a bitch every hurt a females chances with anything?)and Coach and Albert were dumb enough and too weak to beat Ozzy to not boot her out before the end. Coach very well could have won this. At least two people Brandon and Ozzy said their vote could've went for him. Let's just say Sophie was more lucky than anything else. My theory is most of the women jurors were going to vote for a female no matter what and guys like Keith and maybe Ozzy go with whatever the women want. And here we have Exhibit A.
xxShallowHalxx		#334	[-]
Posts: 406 (12/22/11 02:57 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sophie was the default winner ala Natalie. Meh and forgettable winner.
redyellowblue		#335	[-]
Posts: 174 (12/22/11 03:00 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I actually don't think Sophie is "undeserving" (unlikeable, yes), but can we PLEASE stop talking about her immunity wins like they were some sort of challenges that required extreme stamina or physical prowess? Two of them were balancing rice on your head and answering like 4 questions about hearts of palm and clams. I mean really.
Constantinople		#336	[-]
Posts: 1188 (12/22/11 03:37 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sardonicus wrote: Now I am not saying this proves Sophie was in control the whole time but I do think it shows that it wasn't a one man show with "Coach" calling all the shots. I agree. Sophie, Coach and Albert were a triumvirate and no one got their way all the time, even if 2 of the 3 agreed on a course of action. They still had to contend with Rick and Brandon (Sophie/Albert wanted to keep Mikayla instead of Edna; Coach/Albert wanted to keep John instead of Edna). Then there are some votes which seem pretty straightforward. For example, of the last 4 Upolu, Rick seemed like the most liked on the whole and the least likely to beat Ozzy in the final immunity challenge. So keeping Rick is around is bad for everyone's chances. And if Brandon was as well liked as Sophie contended he was in post-game interviews, I don't know if anyone deserves particular credit for Brandon's ouster (except for God). That being said, Sophie is still an unlikable and for the most part an unsatisfying winner.
Lemmy Winks		#337	[-]
Posts: 201 (12/22/11 04:12 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yes guys Sophie totally dominated the game and controlled the game, regardless of what the editors, producers, probst, other contestants, and 99% of the viewing public think. I mean she dominated the game so much that the ediotrs couldnt put any clips of her doing anything on teh TV show because if they did everyone would know she won the game immediately because of how awesome she is. Mtl there really is no point in argueing with people like Scott and Sardonicus, you cannot convince them of your belief its just a waste of time. Trying to convince them that Coach played the best game is like trying to convince Ahmadinejad that the Holocaust happened. There could be all the evidence in the world to support your claim and they will still point to some strange and insane conspiracy theory (Sophie played a great game, the editors just dint think it was a good idea to give the winner any air time). Last Edited By: Lemmy Winks 12/22/11 04:15 PM. Edited 1 times.
Sardonicus		#338	[-]
Posts: 2946 (12/22/11 04:31 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	You are right about one thing Lemmy. There is no use in trying to discuss this game with you because you are nothing but a mindless sheep. You sit in front of the tv and slurp up all the shit that Probst and the editors spoon feed you and you accept it as the gospel truth. I find that very sad.
Moo55		#339	[-]
Posts: 29 (12/22/11 04:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	The fact of the matter is, Sophie outlined all this in her FTC. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast. She outwitted her opponents. People wanted to take her out, people tried to get rid of her. Twice she was one vote away from having her torch snuffed. They failed and she succeeded. People clearly knew she was a threat, but she managed to stay alive. She outplayed her opponents. Three Immunity wins, not to mention coming close a couple of other times (damn her gag reflex). She outlasted her opponents. No explanation needed. --- Sure, Albert and Coach did well to make the end, but she did better - BECAUSE WHATEVER SHE DID, IT CONVINCED THE JURY TO VOTE FOR HER TO WIN. Coach failed, she succeeded.
Celtic Burn		#340	[-]
Posts: 2753 (12/22/11 04:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ads - The reason I wake up every morning. Remove this ad Moo55 wrote: The fact of the matter is, Sophie outlined all this in her FTC. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast. She outwitted her opponents. People wanted to take her out, people tried to get rid of her. Twice she was one vote away from having her torch snuffed. They failed and she succeeded. People clearly knew she was a threat, but she managed to stay alive. She outplayed her opponents. Three Immunity wins, not to mention coming close a couple of other times (damn her gag reflex). She outlasted her opponents. No explanation needed. --- Sure, Albert and Coach did well to make the end, but she did better - BECAUSE WHATEVER SHE DID, IT CONVINCED THE JURY TO VOTE FOR HER TO WIN. Coach failed, she succeeded. And cue Lemmy Winks with another wall of text about, NO SHE DID NOT. Forget it - we'll have a new person to bitch about in February.

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Sophie is definitely the most underserving win of all time