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Soladrian

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(12/22/11 02:37 AM)

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Sophie did play a pretty terrible social game and that's probably why we never got an SPV from other players about her thoughout the season. They were usually negative. I've said this before and I'll say it again, Sophie had the winning edit to me because she was shielded from her OWN negativity as well as the negativity of Upolu. She was shown to be separate from the negative Upolu but she was infact in the core 3 and worked out most strings.

I also found Whitney's question odd since she said she was close to Sophie on the island. Also, Sophie said she liked the Savaii woman because she was stuck in a tribe with all men and Edna

I really do wanna know about the tears whether they were fake or real. I'm guessing they were real and it's probably because the "cool kid", Ozzy was picking on her. This, by the way, would tie into the theme of bullying (but Ozzy was portrayed as a hero in the Finale).

Lexxan

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(12/22/11 03:50 AM)

IAmNo4 wrote:

You forgot Amber (who was even rated CPP I believe).

lol yeah, I always forget Amber (mainly because I dislike Survivor: All Tards so effing much). She was indeed CPP overall, but like Sandra was very close to MORP with a mix of several different ratings. (just like most female winners).

Polonium

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(12/22/11 10:04 AM)

Sophie did NOT play a terrible social game, because if she had, she would have been despised by the jury and would have received zero votes.

No one this season post-merge played a terrible social game. Not even Cochran. Get over it.

TallBill

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(12/22/11 11:41 AM)

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Sophie's social game was probably something like a C minus. Not an F, but generally a weakness.

On the one hand, she's good at reading people. It takes a certain level of emotional intelligence to understand where people are coming from.

On the other hand, she was brusque around the camp in ways that alienated people.

You get the sense that she sometimes was just quiet ... sometimes abrasive ... and sometimes interacted well with folks out there.

In the latter category, I'd point to the early conversations with Coach and Brandon they showed, the info from interviews that she hung with Whitney and Dawn, and the late scene where they showed her sauntering in to Brandon and Rick's pizza party. It's like she has social skills, but is often blunt with people anyway.

Which leads me to my last point. Being blunt in a game where honesty is a key issue is not always a bad thing. Sitting next to Albert, who was perceived as supreme bullshitter, and Coach, the self-righteous man of God who was using God for his strategy, a little straight talk can do you some good.

MasterThief

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(12/22/11 12:10 PM)

Episode 14

Brandon - UTRP1

Rick - UTR1

Ozzy - OTTP4

Albert - CPN3

Coach - CPN5

Sophie - CPM4

Overall Ratings

Semhar - OTT

Mark - MORP

Stacey - MORN

Elyse - UTR

Mikayla - MOR

Christine - MORM

Jim - CPN

Keith - UTR

Dawn - MORP

Whitney - UTR

Cochran - CPM

Edna - MORM (Felt that she had a clearly defined story and role despite all the UTRs)

Brandon - OTTM

Rick - UTR

Ozzy - MORM (I gave him 3 M's, 3 N's and 3 P's. About as M as you can get!)

Albert - CPN

Coach - CPN

Sophie - MOR

Happy Holidays everyone.

taks

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(12/22/11 03:14 PM)

Finale ratings:

Brandon: UTRP1

Rick: UTR1

Ozzy: CPP3

Albert: CPN4

Coach: CPN5

Sophie: CPM4

getting real

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(12/22/11 03:42 PM)

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Sophie did NOT play a terrible social game, because if she had, she would have been despised by the jury and would have received zero votes.

If that were the case, she wouldn't have needed the humanizing that she herself admitted to needing.

If it weren't for those humanizing tears those votes would likely not have been forthcoming.

drowsy12

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(12/22/11 03:48 PM)

getting real wrote:
Sophie did NOT play a terrible social game, because if she had, she would have been despised by the jury and would have received zero votes.
If that were the case, she wouldn't have needed the humanizing that she herself admitted to needing.

If it weren't for those humanizing tears those votes would likely not have been forthcoming.

you keep saying this. those may have helped but they still didn't really like her at FTC. fact of the matter is Coach and Albert were more objectionable. she did her job at FTC of reminding the jury of that and pointing out why she did deserve their votes while giving them the blunt honesty they were asking for. The fact that she beat Ozzy - one of the greatest challenge competitors ever on the show - by herself while Albert and Coach sucked also helped her prove her case.

Oh yeah and badmouthing Cochran definitely earned Savaii love. The same Cochran that had those amazing jury ties that cochran supporters saw in his edit. It turned out like many had said those were obvious negative jury connections in Savaii.

sophie's interview:

How comfortable were you going into that final Tribal when you first arrived, and then how comfortable were you after the jury questions when they went up to vote?
I knew that I had a shot. The thing that shocked me was Ozzy starting it off by saying, “This game is yours to lose, Coach,” and that shocked me. Because I thought I was going to go in there with a good claim for the million, and all of a sudden I was on defense. And then after all the questions I could tell that Coach was really hammered. I mean everyone was getting hammered, but he was getting hammered the most. All they wanted was honesty, and I was the only one at the final Tribal to give them honesty. All Coach had to say was “I manipulated all of you,” and he would have gotten the million. I was the only one to own up to things. I was just brutally honest with people and didn’t just say what they wanted to hear. Cochran asked me, “What was the best move of the game?” and I immediately said, “Well, it wasn’t yours. Yours sucked!” And, you know, Albert would never say that. Albert would think that was the surest way to lose a jury vote. I could tell the jury didn’t want to be messed around with. They’re not stupid people.

getting real

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(12/22/11 04:20 PM)

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Whether you think most people's minds were made up at FTC or before it, it took some very late events to swing it her way.

It's ironic because, in one sense, her win made a mockery of 'it's not how you start it's how you finish' mantra that was hammered during the season. Strategically, her win was all about 'how you finish is how you start'. However, in terms of her challenge and social games, that theme was very much in play. Whether by design or otherwise, she finished off strong. You can even say that with her TC breakdown she redeemed herself from herself.

jonnyfairplay

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(12/22/11 04:28 PM)

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getting real wrote:
Whether you think most people's minds were made up at FTC or before it, it took some very late events to swing it her way.

It's ironic because, in one sense, her win made a mockery of 'it's not how you start it's how you finish' mantra that was hammered during the season. Strategically, her win was all about 'how you finish is how you start'. However, in terms of her challenge and social games, that theme was very much in play. Whether by design or otherwise, she finished off strong. You can even say that with her TC breakdown she redeemed herself from herself.

this could be a damning criticism of her game. at the same time, coach making the kind of mistakes that he usually does may be predictable/expected

cindidindi76

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(12/22/11 06:07 PM)

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"It's not how you start it's how you finish" was hammered in this thread far more that it ever was in the show.

getting real

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(12/22/11 06:20 PM)

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jonnyfairplay wrote:
getting real wrote:
Whether you think most people's minds were made up at FTC or before it, it took some very late events to swing it her way.

It's ironic because, in one sense, her win made a mockery of 'it's not how you start it's how you finish' mantra that was hammered during the season. Strategically, her win was all about 'how you finish is how you start'. However, in terms of her challenge and social games, that theme was very much in play. Whether by design or otherwise, she finished off strong. You can even say that with her TC breakdown she redeemed herself from herself.
this could be a damning criticism of her game. at the same time, coach making the kind of mistakes that he usually does may be predictable/expected

Yes, her early assessment of Coach was one her great strengths. However, those late events might have taken some votes from Albert to her advantage. It's no coincidence that, coming into the finale, everyone's edit had gaping holes. The events that most shaped the game (other than Cochran's flip) hadn't occurred as yet. That's why, as I keep saying, the majority of her Reunion tribute scenes were scenes that we hadn't seen before the finale.

Cindi, you're absolutely right. Kudos to the editors for the mis-direction, including Probst's editorials, his arguments with Sophie, the emphasis on Sevaii, etc, etc. They got me! Kudos also for their portrayal of Coach. Brilliantly nuanced, not to mention completely accurate. I think the editors did a fantastic job this season, on a lot of different levels.

Panasi

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(12/22/11 08:03 PM)

Finale Ratings:

Brandouche - OTTP1
Rick - UTR1
Ozzy - OTTP4
Albert - CPN4
Coach - CPM5
Sophie - CPM4

getting real

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(12/22/11 10:36 PM)

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Ratings

Albert CPN4
Coach CPN5
Ozzy OTTP4
Rick MOR3
Sophie CPM4

Soladrian

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(12/23/11 02:26 AM)

"It's not how you start it's how you finish" Maybe refers to her edit?

getting real

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(12/23/11 05:00 AM)

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Soladrian wrote:
"It's not how you start it's how you finish" Maybe refers to her edit?

Yes, but only if you define 'start' as everything except the finale!

Kirblar

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(12/23/11 05:21 PM)

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I thought "It's not how you start, it's how you finish" was squarely aimed at Coach. He started incredibly well and then just screwed up his endgame beyond belief.

Polonium

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(12/23/11 06:10 PM)

I think "It's not how you start, it's how you finish." was aimed at Edgicers who would go on to waste several months analyzing a quote that means absolutely nothing.

jonnyfairplay

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(12/23/11 06:11 PM)

Polonium wrote:
I think "It's not how you start, it's how you finish." was aimed at Edgicers who would go on to waste several months analyzing a quote that means absolutely nothing.

HAHAHA POTY

Coldnights

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(12/23/11 10:48 PM)

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I just recalled the scene where John is peacocking around in Coach's jacket and hat in front of Dawn and Whitney, after Ozzy is voted out. That is like rubbing salt in fresh wounds. Shows that Coach does not respect Savaii. Sophie showed better jury management skills by separating herself from John, where Coach accepted him as his young apprentice. There was also a tribal council where Sophie calls out John's earlier merge betrayal move as dumb. In essence Coach put himself in the John camp, and Sophie did a good job of distancing herself from that move. Jury management point goes to Sophie.

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