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Battlekid		#4181	[-]
Posts: 359 (12/23/11 09:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Humpty-Dumpty was pushed! Remove this ad NotGregBuis wrote: He also gave his idol to the person who the Upolus were planning to vote for before Cochran tipped them off. So there's that. How did Ozzy have no real allies? He had made a 5 person alliance where he should have been closest to both Elyse and Keith. He also had played a good social game with Dawn by being her shoulder to cry on early on. There's no reason Jim should have screwed thei 3+2 alliance over "to weaken Ozzy" pre-merge, especially when Jim felt he was the architect of that alliance. He made a stupid move and booted a loyal and strong ally to keep a weak, neurotic flipper who cost them the next challenge and the game. Ozzy did everything correct that he could have. It doesn't matter if Jim's move to boot Elise was good or bad, the point is, it displays how little control Ozzy actually had, and how poor his social game was. He wasn't respected by anyone in his own tribe, that they went behind his back and voted out his strongest allie. Then what does Ozzy do? He cries and tells them that he's now a free agent, just furthing himself from the tribe,They all mocked him, laughed at him, called him a baby and a bitch. Yeah, he really had great social game. Jim had total control of Savaii, and I'll bet my house Ozzy would have been in RI before final six, even if Savaii had control. In fact, Jim, Keith both said Ozzy would have been gone. He never had good social or Strategy. Just go back and look at his game on Micronesia when he had an idol and still got blindsided by a bunch of chicks. He never sees the blindsides coming. Once Elise left, he had no alliance. And not to mention everyone laughed at him during his master plan speech. The guy is terrible, and has no game what so ever outside of physicality which Sophie was better than him in anyway. He sucked at the game of Survivor, and always thought he was in control when he really wasn't. ANyway, I just don't see how any logical person can say that anyone who loses three times in one game, and five times total, deserves 100,000 dollars. Makes no sense.
et91		#4182	[-]
Posts: 2373 (12/23/11 10:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Honestly, Ozzy had a better shot at reaching the end as the RI returnee then as a Savaii pagonging member
Pyre		#4183	[-]
Posts: 2199 (12/23/11 10:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	jonnyfairplay wrote: Pyre wrote: Also, I'm a little confused how Ozzy's social game was bad considering the fact that he would've won in a cakewalk had he made it to the end. any player from the pagonged tribe who didn't backstab their tribe to get to the end wins in a landslide, as the juries are stocked with betrayed pagonging tribe members and pagonged friends/allies. It would have been very different if Savaii prevailed at the merge. I don't know if ozzy would have won a FTC in the event of a savaii pagonging; maybe if he took cochran and jim? I doubt he makes it there without immunity, though, because he's an obvious target at F8-F6 and never had a hold on his tribe like Rob did Okay, well all of Savaii liked Ozzy besides Cochran. He was also well liked in CI (only lost by 1 vote to Yul, a formidable opponent), and Micro (he got blindsided out of necessity, nobody except Jason and Eliza disliked him). If he had such a terrible social game he wouldn't have been able to ingratiate himself into the majority every time he played. That was more the point I was getting at.
Pyre		#4184	[-]
Posts: 2200 (12/23/11 10:16 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Battlekid wrote: NotGregBuis wrote: He also gave his idol to the person who the Upolus were planning to vote for before Cochran tipped them off. So there's that. How did Ozzy have no real allies? He had made a 5 person alliance where he should have been closest to both Elyse and Keith. He also had played a good social game with Dawn by being her shoulder to cry on early on. There's no reason Jim should have screwed thei 3+2 alliance over "to weaken Ozzy" pre-merge, especially when Jim felt he was the architect of that alliance. He made a stupid move and booted a loyal and strong ally to keep a weak, neurotic flipper who cost them the next challenge and the game. Ozzy did everything correct that he could have. It doesn't matter if Jim's move to boot Elise was good or bad, the point is, it displays how little control Ozzy actually had, and how poor his social game was. He wasn't respected by anyone in his own tribe, that they went behind his back and voted out his strongest allie. Then what does Ozzy do? He cries and tells them that he's now a free agent, just furthing himself from the tribe,They all mocked him, laughed at him, called him a baby and a bitch. Yeah, he really had great social game. Jim had total control of Savaii, and I'll bet my house Ozzy would have been in RI before final six, even if Savaii had control. In fact, Jim, Keith both said Ozzy would have been gone. He never had good social or Strategy. Just go back and look at his game on Micronesia when he had an idol and still got blindsided by a bunch of chicks. He never sees the blindsides coming. Once Elise left, he had no alliance. And not to mention everyone laughed at him during his master plan speech. The guy is terrible, and has no game what so ever outside of physicality which Sophie was better than him in anyway. He sucked at the game of Survivor, and always thought he was in control when he really wasn't. ANyway, I just don't see how any logical person can say that anyone who loses three times in one game, and five times total, deserves 100,000 dollars. Makes no sense. Yeah, Jim had total control over Savaii. That's why Keith and Whitney went right back to Ozzy after blindsiding Elyse despite his temper tantrum (<3), and were reluctant to do it in the first place because they wanted to stay in their alliance with Ozzy. Also, please think before you speak. Because Sophie beat him in ONE challenge she had a better physical game than Ozzy? That's like saying Danielle had a better physical game than Terry. The delusion, I can't even. And he deserved $100,000 because he was the most liked by the viewers overwhelmingly, which is what the voting was for. Pretty simple concept.
Nods		#4185	[-]
Posts: 11448 (12/23/11 10:35 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Sophie and Ozzy went up against each other four times, Ozzy won twice, Sophie won once but beat Ozzy in the other (coconut water) challenge.
Dictatorship		#4186	[-]
Posts: 16752 (12/23/11 10:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	WHY HAVE NONE OF THE CASTAWAYS POSTED HERE YET? I just kind of don't get it. There is nothing to really be afraid of, and they obviously lurk.
Suikoden		#4187	[-]
Posts: 436 (12/23/11 10:37 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Edna's posting in her thread..?
FistOLegend		#4188	[-]
Posts: 1476 (12/23/11 10:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Aside from Edna, the known lurkers Sophie, Dawn, Cochran and Albert (lol) probably don't want to jeopardize their All Star chances.
Zesty 66		#4189	[-]
Posts: 128 (12/23/11 10:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Everyone can STFU, what Albert is saying is 100% truth. Ozzy IS a terrible player, and yes he would have won if he made the finals but only because of RI. That would have been a complete joke, and had he actually won after being voted out twice, not having to play the game at all, and getting to kiss up to every jury member, not only would he be the worst winner ever by an insurmountable margin, but it would have made a complete mockery of the show and everything 'Survivor' is supposed to represent. Albert is a much better player than Ozzy. I get being a fan of Ozzy, but I don't get people that actually thought he was robbed or that he deserved to win, or even who were disappointed that he didn't.
mooseymoose		#4190	[-]
Posts: 40 (12/23/11 10:59 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Humpty-Dumpty was pushed! Remove this ad Zesty 66 wrote: Everyone can STFU, what Albert is saying is 100% truth. Ozzy IS a terrible player, and yes he would have won if he made the finals but only because of RI. That would have been a complete joke, and had he actually won after being voted out twice, not having to play the game at all, and getting to kiss up to every jury member, not only would he be the worst winner ever by an insurmountable margin, but it would have made a complete mockery of the show and everything 'Survivor' is supposed to represent. Albert is a much better player than Ozzy. I get being a fan of Ozzy, but I don't get people that actually thought he was robbed or that he deserved to win, or even who were disappointed that he didn't. I agree. Sophie, Coach and Albert all played much better games than Ozzy
marshal99		#4191	[-]
Posts: 3838 (12/23/11 11:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yeah sure , Ozzy is such a terrible player so much so that he gets called back to play 3 times whereas Albert will never get to play again and will fade into survivor obscurity. For someone who is suppose to be an expert in the social game since he is suppose to be some sort of dating coach , Albert social game was so transparent to everyone else , he's not really much better than Ozzy in that aspect. Sure , Ozzy is a bit of a loner but it's not like his social game is such that people hated him because he treated them like sh*t , Ozzy social game , i imagine, is just like a normal guy , not super charismatic or a colorful character like Coach , just a laid back surfer/skater dude.
Vecepiawins		#4192	[-]
Posts: 25 (12/23/11 11:13 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Dating Coaches are usually creeps.
tarheel66		#4193	[-]
Posts: 1677 (12/23/11 11:13 PM) I'm with STUPID! Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Dictatorship wrote: WHY HAVE NONE OF THE CASTAWAYS POSTED HERE YET? I just kind of don't get it. There is nothing to really be afraid of, and they obviously lurk. Maybe they've lurked enough to rightly realize that the lunatics here aren't worth joining the convo for. Some said lunatics might kiss their asses to their faces, after talking shit before they got 'here'. Such is Sucks at the core, s'pose. It's a crapshoot that a person in their position might not gamble on. Sucks makes its bed, it lies in it. We're certainly not the bastion of overt 'fantardism', as we like to call it.
FistOLegend		#4194	[-]
Posts: 1479 (12/23/11 11:14 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Being called back has nothing to do with being a good player. Albert's game was decent to a point, however he was in a tight alliance with a much smarter player who sabotaged him brilliantly. Ozzy's never had anything but his challenge prowess. Without RI he would have been a footnote this season.
Pyre		#4195	[-]
Posts: 2202 (12/23/11 11:15 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Being a terrible player Playing 104 days of Survivor Pick one.
marshal99		#4196	[-]
Posts: 3839 (12/23/11 11:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	While Survivor is a social experiment at its heart , doesn't mean that someone bulldozing his way to the finals without having to play the social game that much is not a worthy winner. Someone like Albert and Sophie and most of the Savaii are playing basic textbook survivor 101 - Don't be a leader and draw unnecessary attention to yourself , stay under the radar and bring a goat into the final. Sophie did that. However , the Savaii do not think of Ozzy as a goat because they believe he will win if he goes into the finals hence why they will have gotten rid of him after the merge. I think in both scenarios whether Upolu or Savaii got the upper hand after the merge , Ozzy will win if he had gotten into the finals. Last Edited By: marshal99 12/23/11 11:26 PM. Edited 1 times.
FistOLegend		#4197	[-]
Posts: 1480 (12/23/11 11:32 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I don't disagree. There was nothing wrong with Ozzy's post merge CI game, and while I dislike RI I can't begrudge him for taking advantage of it. But his Micronesia blindside, his inability to protect Semhar and Elyse, his mishandling of Cochran (using him as the double agent was retarded, he should have been under non stop supervision prior to the merge TC) and wasting the idol on Whitney who was in no danger all point to someone who's oblivious to the larger social and strategic game.
AveryC		#4198	[-]
Posts: 1569 (12/23/11 11:35 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Rupert played 100 days and I guess that automatically makes him a great player too now Ozzy's gameplay sucked this season. He wanted Cochran to leave first and he didn't. He told Keith about the idol with an expectation it would stay between them, yet Keith immediatly told Whitney about it. He was blindsided by the Elyse boot. He organised to get himself voted out and eliminate Christine at RI when she publically hated her former tribe, meaning she logically would have sided with Savaii in a merge situation. Upolu saw through his acting about being voted out immediately. He got voted out 3 times. The only thing he succeeded in this season was winning challenges, which is not an indicator of good gameplay. Sure he was one IC away from winning the game, but so were Jan/Terry/Matty so that means nothing. Had he won he would be the worst winner ever from a strategy perspective.
tarheel66		#4199	[-]
Posts: 1678 (12/23/11 11:37 PM) I'm with STUPID! Reply Quote More Recent Posts	marshal99 wrote: I think in both scenarios whether Upolu or Savaii got the upper hand after the merge , Ozzy will win if he had gotten into the finals. But he didn't, Blanche, he didn't! I like Ozzy, I think he played exactly the best game he could play within the game, did amazing things (imo, from somebody who grew up at the ocean), exploited Redemption Island amazingly well (he made it seem tailor made for him, since he could thrive physically and nurture a social game/jury management in a way he couldn't within the main game...and he knew this). That means the social game still plays a big role. I think we discount that part of the social game Ozzy played (and social game was his constant struggle, until he got another venue) was recognizing he could play that game better by using RI than he could in the actual main game. He took hold of the reins in going there to begin with, knowing it was a better venue for him than the group mind fuck. Let's face it, before RI, he wasn't in great standing with Savaii; they didn't like him. It's not just Coach's ickiness that won them to him, it's that he did exactly what he said--he brought them in, nurtured them, and got rid of them with good feelings (much like Christine). In a one on one, it's very different from the rest of the game, where he's talking to her, and she's talking to somebody else. It's a captive audience. Feed 'em, make them comfortable, contextualize their experience. At RI, his social game was shown to be spectacular...not resentful or arrogant -- welcoming, providing, supporting...THAT's why the jury would have voted for him. No string of wins in the world would have made up for him acting like an arrogant dick like he did earlier in the game. He knew that. Credit to him. ETA: on a side note, Sophie was the one to recognize that Ozzy was doing this (pleasure dome), and getting the last word with them. Her social game is HUGELY underrated. From early on (watch the extra CBS scenes...from ep 1 or 2), she makes it clear that her main job in strategy is to keep people comfortable on a daily basis, to nurture them, and juggle all the sub alliances in this way. That's why she could spot this in Ozzy. That's why she spotted Albert's jury savvying, and (per interview) began throwing him under the bus because of it in the last several TCs. She went way out of her way to make sure each person was understood not as a chess piece but a person, and made to feel comfortable. That's why she was the one to see Ozzy's RI advantage. That's also why she started calling out Albert's crap when it became an issue. Last Edited By: tarheel66 12/23/11 11:42 PM. Edited 1 times.
FistOLegend		#4200	[-]
Posts: 1482 (12/23/11 11:40 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Humpty-Dumpty was pushed! Remove this ad But Matt did the same thing last season. Everyone who passed through RI fell in love with him on their way to Ponderosa. And if he'd gotten back in and won the last two challenges he would have destroyed anyone. Hard to say he played a good game though.

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