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Posts: 6 (04/07/04 7:15 AM) I Need A Clue More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Please do not overedit this post unless you are an Administrator or Moderator of this forum. T.ia
SurvivorLDog93	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio questions)	#1	[-]
Posts: 24872 (04/07/04 7:34 AM) Admin/Play-By-Play Guru More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'll leave the technical and mathematical questions to those who are qualified to answer. "Pitchy" is a shorthand term (perhaps coined by Paula and/or Randy especially for this show). It's not a musical term we (students of music) were taught in music school, although it's based on everything we were taught about proper intonation i.e., proper pitch. In AISpeak, "Pitchy" means the singer failed to hit the proper "pitch" for the note they were supposed to sing. Usually the comment "pitchy" means it happened several times in the song, or all the way through. The musical scale has a finite number of musical tones, and they are evenly spaced. These are exact tones, and unless there's something special written into the song (such as a glissando, where the singer is supposed to slide into or between notes), singers are supposed to hit the precise, proper pitch. When a singer consistently hits above the proper tone or below it, they're "pitchy."
cgnudumples	Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio questions)	#2	[-]
Posts: 14974 (04/07/04 7:37 AM) AI Forum Moderator That Is Not Possible More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* Gather info regarding the each week's vote off for the last 3 seasons. Calculate the frequency of each position's being voted off, factoring in the fact that each week their are less contestants and therefore, fewer numbers. Tell me what position gets voted out most frequently. Do you mean the position in which they perform? Or do you mean the position in which their name is called on the night that one of them is eliminated. Please clarify. Thx
TC	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio questions)	#3	[-]
Posts: 6 (04/07/04 7:58 AM) I Need A Clue More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	THE PHONE NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cgnudumples	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio questions)	#4	[-]
Posts: 14974 (04/07/04 8:02 AM) AI Forum Moderator That Is Not Possible More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hey...no need to shout...just make yourself clearer next time. Sheesh. I'll see what I can come up with regarding your question.
Leslie629	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio questions)	#5	[-]
Posts: 4125 (04/07/04 8:20 AM) MESS member More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	just to add to SLD's excellent pitchy info.... often the pitch problems can be cause by improper breath support. You have to breathe correctly, using the diaphram, and exhale with a great deal of control. Someone with really good control should be able to hold a lit match in front of thier mouth while exhaling and the flame should not get blown out. I think the problems some of these younger kids (Jasmine, Diana espc.) are having is the lack of breath control. They are still trying to control with thier throat - or that is how it looks to me when I see how thier chest moves when they breathe. So when they try to do all these vocal gymnastics and it sounds like screeching or just a big ole mess, it is because they do not have the tech to pull it off. And what we hear at home does sound different than what is in the studio. The acoustics are different, and they studio audience has a lit more ambient noise. A lot of that noise is filtered out by the digital filters that are in the sound equipment.
TC	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio questions)	#6	[-]
Posts: 6 (04/07/04 8:47 AM) I Need A Clue More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ok, but this pitchy thing -- if it's bad it should be able to be detected by an untrained ear right??? I mean, I can't imagine worse tortue than having to listent to rantasia's screetching for more than 45 seconds at a time. It's painful. But the little flower haired girl sounded REALLY good and they kept chanting "pitchy pitchy pitchy" at her. She missed one note, clearly. But they said the whole thing sucked. I can't imagine how. Hey geek! I'll yell when I wanna yell. Less talking, more numberin, k?
cgnudumples	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio questions)	#7	[-]
Posts: 14974 (04/07/04 9:15 AM) AI Forum Moderator That Is Not Possible More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This will serve as the Master List for the AI6 Season. Eliminated ones as the lowest vote-getter shown in red. Bottom Two shown in blue. Bottom Three shown in purple. AI winner shown in Final 2 in green. - Eliminated as the second-lowest vote getter. 12 Performers NOTE- AI1 did not have a week with 12 performers. 1 Kimberly Locke, LaToya London, Nikko Smith, Vonzell Solomon, Jessica Sierra, Mandisa, Patrick Hall, Ace Young, Rudy Cardenas, Stephanie Edwards, Brandon Rogers* 2 Josh Gracin, Amy Adams, Scott Savol, Amanda Avila, Anwar Robinson, Kellie Pickler, David Radford, Kellie Pickler, Brandon Rogers, Amy Krebs, Melinda Doolittle 3 Charles Grigsby, Matt Rogers, Anthony Federov, Janay Castine, Mikalah Gordon, Becky O'Donahue, Bucky Covington, Elliott Yamin, Sundance Head, Leslie Hunt, Chris Sligh 4 Kimberly Caldwell, Camile Velasco, Bo Bice, Carrie Underwood, Constantine Maroulis, Ayla Brown, Will Makar, Mandisa, Paul Kim, Sabrina Sloan, Gina Glocksen 5 Rickey Smith, Jon Peter Lewis, Travis Tucker, Sarah Mather, Lindsay Cardinale, Paris Bennett, Jose Sway Penala, Bucky Covington, Chris Richardson, Antonella Barba, Sanjaya Malakar* 6 Julia DeMato, Fantasia Barrino, Constantine Maroulis, Melinda Lira, Anthony Federov, Stevie Scott, Chris Daughtry, Melissa McGhee, Nick Pedro, Jordin Sparks, Haley Scarnato 7 Clay Aiken, George Huff, David Brown, Nadia Turner, Nadia Turner, Brenna Gethers, Kevin Covais, Lisa Tucker, Blake Lewis, Nicole Tranquillo, Phil Stacy 8 Vanessa Olivarez, Jennifer Hudson, Jared Yates, Celena Rae, Bo Bice, Heather Cox, Gedeon McKinney, Kevin Covais, Sanjaya Malakar, Haley Scarnato, Lakisha Jones 9 Corey Clark, John Stevens, Anwar Robinson, Mikalah Gordon, Vonzell Solomon, Melissa McGhee, Elliott Yamin, Katharine McPhee, Chris Sligh, Melinda Doolittle, Blake Lewis 10 Carmen Rasmusen, Leah LaBelle, Judd Harris, Lindsay Cardinale, Scott Savol, Lisa Tucker, Bobby Bennett, Taylor Hicks, Jared Cotter, Alaina Alexander, Stephanie Edwards 11 Trenyce, Jasmine Trias, Joe Murena, Jessica Sierra, Carrie Underwood, Kinnik Sky, Ace Young, Paris Bennett, AJ Tabaldo, Gina Glocksen, Chris Richardson 12 Ruben Studdard, Diana DeGarmo, Mario Vazquez, Aloha Mischeaux, Nikko Smith, Katharine McPhee, Taylor Hicks, Chris Daughtry, Phil Stacy, Lakisha Jones, Jordin Sparks 11 Performers NOTE- AI1 did not have a week with 11 performers. 1 Corey Clark, Diana DeGarmo, Anthony Federov, Mandisa, Haley Scarnato 2 Ruben Studdard, George Huff, Carrie Underwood, Bucky Covington, Chris Richardson 3 Trenyce, Fantasia Barrino, Scott Savol, Paris Bennett, Stephanie Edwards 4 Clay Aiken, John Stevens, Bo Bice, Chris Daughtry, Blake Lewis 5 Kimberly Caldwell, Camile Velasco, Nikko Smith, Katharine McPhee, Lakisha Young 6 Josh Gracin, Jennifer Hudson, Vonzell Solomon, Taylor Hicks, Phil Stacy 7 Carmen Rasmusen, Jon Peter Lewis, Constantine Maroulis, Lisa Tucker, Jordin Sparks 8 Charles Grigsby, Jasmine Trias, Nadia Turner, Kevin Covais, Sanjaya Malakar 9 Rickey Smith, Matt Rogers, Mikalah Gordon, Elliott Yamin, Gina Glocksen 10 Julia DeMato, LaToya London, Anwar Robinson, Kellie Pickler, Chris Sligh 11 Kimberly Locke, Amy Adams, Jessica Sierra, Ace Young, Melinda Doolittle 10 Performers 1 Ryan Starr, Josh Gracin, Camile Velasco, Mario Vazquez, Aloha Mischeaux, Bo Bice, Katharine McPhee, Taylor Hicks, Lisa Tucker, Phil Stacy, Gina Glocksen,Lakisha Jones 2 RJ Helton, Trenyce, Jon Peter Lewis, Anwar Robinson, Lindsay Cardinale, Jessica Sierra, Kinnik Sky, Elliott Yamin, Kellie Pickler, Jared Cotter, Alaina Alexander, Chris Sligh 3 Nikki McKibbin, Kimberly Locke, LaToya London, Joe Murena, Jessica Sierra, Anwar Robinson, Lisa Tucker, Ace Young, Ace Young, AJ Tabaldo, Lakisha Jones, Gina Glocksen 4 Ejay Day, Corey Clark, Amy Adams, David Brown, Mikalah Gordon, Nadia Turner, Melissa McGhee, Gedeon McKinney, Taylor Hicks, Sanjaya Malakar, Melinda Doolittle, Sanjaya Malakar 5 Tamyra Gray, Carmen Rasmusen, John Stevens, Constantine Maroulis, Celena Rae, Constantine Maroulis, Heather Cox, Kevin Covais, Mandisa, Chris Sligh, Antonella Barba, Haley Scarnato* 6 Justin Guarini, Rickey Smith, Jennifer Hudson, Scott Savol, Nadia Turner, Nikko Smith, Brenna Gethers, Jose Penala, Chris Daughtry, Nick Pedro, Jordin Sparks, Phil Stacey* 7 Jim Verraros, Kimberly Caldwell, Jasmine Trias, Travis Tucker, Amanda Avila, Anthony Federov, Paris Bennett, William Makar, Katharine McPhee, Blake Lewis, Stephanie Edwards, Melinda Doolittle 8 Kelly Clarkson, Ruben Studdard, Diana DeGarmo, Nikko Smith, Janay Castine, Carrie Underwood, Ayla Brown, Bucky Covington, Bucky Covington, Brandon Rogers, Leslie Hunt, Blake Lewis 9 AJ Gil, Julia DeMato, Fantasia Barrino, Anthony Federov, Carrie Underwood, Scott Savol, Kellie Pickler, David Radford, Paris Bennett, Chris Richardson, Haley Scarnato, Jordin Sparks 10 Christina Christian, Clay Aiken, George Huff, Bo Bice, Vonzell Solomon, Vonzell Solomon, Mandisa, Chris Daughtry, Elliott Yamin, Sundance Head, Sabrina Sloan, Chris Richardson 9 Performers NOTE #1- AI1 did not have a week with 9 performers. NOTE #2- AI2 did not have a week with 9 performers because Corey Clark* was eliminated prior to that week's show. 1 Rickey Smith, Fantasia Barrino, Scott Savol, Taylor Hicks, Blake Lewis 2 Carmen Rasmusen, Jon Peter Lewis, Constantine Maroulis, Mandisa, Phil Stacey 3 Kimberly Caldwell, Jasmine Trias, Carrie Underwood, Elliott Yamin, Melinda Doolittle 4 Clay Aiken, John Stevens, Vonzell Solomon, Paris Bennett, Chris Richardson 5 Trenyce, Camile Velasco, Anthony Federov, Ace Young, Jordin Sparks 6 Ruben Studdard, George Huff, Nikko Smith, Kellie Pickler, Gina Glocksen 7 Kimberly Locke, Diana DeGarmo, Anwar Robinson, Chris Daughtry, Sanjaya Malakar 8 Josh Gracin, LaToya London, Bo Bice, Katharine McPhee, Haley Scarnato 9 none, Jennifer Hudson, Nadia Turner, Bucky Covington, Lakisha Jones 8 Performers 1 RJ Helton, Clay Aiken, George Huff, Scott Savol, Amanda Avila, Nadia Turner, Paris Bennett, Gedeon McKinney, Bucky Covington, Blake Lewis, Jordin Sparks, Melinda Doolittle 2 Tamyra Gray, Kimberly Locke, Jennifer Hudson, Bo Bice, Janay Castine, Bo Bice, Lisa Tucker, Chris Daughtry, Ace Young, Sanjaya Malakar, Sabrina Sloan, Lakisha Jones 3 Nikki McKibbin, Rickey Smith, Jon Peter Lewis, Anthony Federov, Carrie Underwood, Anwar Robinson, Melissa McGhee, Kevin Covais, Kellie Pickler, Sundance Head, Antonella Barba, Chris Richardson 4 AJ Gil, Kimberly Caldwell, Diana DeGarmo, Nikko Smith, Vonzell Solomon, Anthony Federov, Kinnik Sky, Bucky Covington, Chris Daughtry, Chris Richardson, Haley Scarnato, Haley Scarnato 5 Kelly Clarkson, Josh Gracin, Fantasia Barrino, Travis Tucker, Nadia Turner, Vonzell Solomon, Katharine McPhee, Will Makar, Katharine McPhee, Jared Cotter, Stephanie Edwards, Phil Stacey 6 Christina Christian, Carmen Rasmusen, Jasmine Trias, Mario Vazquez, Lindsay Cardinale, Scott Savol, Ayla Brown, Taylor Hicks, Elliott Yamin, Brandon Rogers, Lakisha Jones, Jordin Sparks 7 Justin Guarini, Trenyce, John Stevens, Constantine Maroulis, Mikalah Gordon, Carrie Underwood, Mandisa, Elliot Yamin, Taylor Hicks, Phil Stacey, Gina Glockson, Blake Lewis 8 Ryan Starr, Ruben Studdard, LaToya London, Anwar Robinson, Jessica Sierra, Constantine Maroulis, Kellie Pickler, Ace Young, Paris Bennett, Chris Sligh, Melinda Doolittle, Sanjaya Malakar 7 Performers 1 Nikki McKibbin, Kimberly Caldwell, Diana DeGarmo, Constantine Maroulis, Chris Daughtry 2 Ryan Starr, Ruben Studdard, George Huff, Scott Savol, Paris Bennett 3 Christina Christian, Kimberly Locke, Jennifer Hudson, Anthony Federov, Taylor Hicks 4 Justin Guarini, Carmen Rasmusen, Jasmine Trias, Carrie Underwood, Elliott Yamin 5 Kelly Clarkson, Josh Gracin, LaToya London, Vonzell Solomon, Kellie Pickler 6 RJ Helton, Trenyce, John Stevens, Anwar Robinson, Ace Young 7 Tamyra Gray, Clay Aiken, Fantasia Barrino, Bo Bice, Katharine McPhee 6 Performers NOTE- AI5 did not have a Bottom Three 1 Tamyra Gray, Kimberly Locke, Fantasia Barrino, Carrie Underwood, Katharine McPhee 2 Justin Guarini, Clay Aiken, George Huff, Bo Bice, Elliott Yamin 3 Nikki McKibbin, Trenyce, LaToya London, Vonzell Solomon, Kellie Pickler 4 Christina Christian, Josh Gracin, John Stevens, Anthony Federov, Paris Bennett 5 RJ Helton, Carmen Rasmusen, Jasmine Trias, Constantine Maroulis, Taylor Hicks 6 Kelly Clarkson, Ruben Studdard, Diana DeGarmo, Scott Savol, Chris Daughtry 5 Performers 1 Kelly Clarkson, Ruben Studdard, Diana DeGarmo, Anthony Federov, Elliott Yamin 2 RJ Helton, Trenyce, George Huff, Scott Savol, Paris Bennett 3 Tamyra Gray, Josh Gracin, LaToya London, Vonzell Solomon, Chris Daughtry 4 Justin Guarini, Kimberly Locke, Jasmine Trias, Bo Bice, Katharine McPhee 5 Nikki McKibbin, Clay Aiken, Fantasia Barrino, Carrie Underwood, Taylor Hicks 4 Performers 1 Tamyra Gray, Josh Gracin, Jasmine Trias, Carrie Underwood, Taylor Hicks 2 Nikki McKibbin, Clay Aiken, LaToya London, Bo Bice, Chris Daughtry 3 Kelly Clarkson, Kimberly Locke, Fantasia Barrino, Vonzell Solomon, Elliott Yamin 4 Justin Guarini, Ruben Studdard, Diana DeGarmo, Anthony Federov, Katharine McPhee 3 Performers 1 Nikki McKibbin, Kimberly Locke, Jasmine Trias, Vonzell Solomon, Elliott Yamin 2 Justin Guarini, Ruben Studdard, Fantasia Barrino, Bo Bice, Katharine McPhee 3 Kelly Clarkson, Clay Aiken, Diana DeGarmo, Carrie Underwood, Taylor Hicks 2 Performers 1 Justin Guarini, Ruben Studdard, Diana DeGarmo, Bo Bice, Katharine McPhee 2 Kelly Clarkson, Clay Aiken, Fantasia Barrino, Carrie Underwood, Taylor Hicks
NeonTetra67	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio questions)	#8	[-]
Posts: 5573 (04/07/04 9:16 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* I mean, I can't imagine worse tortue than having to listent to rantasia's screetching for more than 45 seconds at a time. It's painful. But the little flower haired girl sounded REALLY good and they kept chanting "pitchy pitchy pitchy" at her. She missed one note, clearly. But they said the whole thing sucked. I can't imagine how Another AI term is working here.... Pimping. Judges and producers decide who they want to make it far and who doesn't. Therefore any contestant who they think has a SLIGHT chance of beating their favorites out in the contest will be stoned to death. Other samples of Pimping: 1) Kim Locke was told she needed to lose weight but not Ruben 2) John S has one style all through out the show and needs to work on it but George always sings motown style but still get praises (per IHFJ post) 3) Jennifer is said to be oversinging but when Fantasia screeches, it's wonderful.
tinydyke	sss...	#9	[-]
Posts: 361 (04/07/04 10:33 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	why didn't AI1 have a week with 9 performers? (i didn't start watching AI1 until it was down to 6) I think, a lot of times when Randy/Paula mention the whole 'pitchy' thing, it's off just a little bit and people who aren't really listening for it can't hear it. Also, everyone's ears work differently, and some don't pick up on tonal differences as distinctly as other people. I can usually tell if a song on the radio/at a club is off by a half step, (like the speed has been upped a little, causing the 'pitch' to raise a bit - and omg it annoys the hell out of me most of the time) when other people i'm with can't tell a bit of difference.
cgnudumples	> sss...	#10	[-]
Posts: 14974 (04/07/04 10:36 AM) AI Forum Moderator That Is Not Possible More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* why didn't AI1 have a week with 9 performers? (i didn't start watching AI1 until it was down to 6) Two people got eliminated the first week, so it went from 10 to 8, bypassing 9. The pitchy thing is a bunch of crappola. Just Pleave Leave has been pitchy ever since Honolulu, and he has yet to be called on it. Ba ba Booey has been pitchy the last two weeks as well. It's a cop-out term that is used when the judges want to say something negative about someone but can't.
schooledbysatan	Re: > sss...	#11	[-]
Posts: 4 (04/07/04 10:47 AM) More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	When a singers pitch is off from the accompaniment the notes that don't match will actually oscillate. Take for example an A at 440 vibrations per second. If the singer is under at say 435.. You will here a "wha-wha-wha-wha" at 5 vibrations per second. It's subtle and hard to hear when they are screaming the notes but it's there. Listening last night was rough. To me, the "pitchiest" was JPL followed by Diana and Camille. John was off key for some of the song, but not anywhere near last weeks performance.
Mockingbird	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio questions)	#12	[-]
Posts: 105 (04/07/04 10:58 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cgnudumples - that was a fantastic post on the order trends. Not sure it means too much (other than last being a favored position and first being better than in the middle), but it made for very interesting reading. Anyone care to do the same for the couch-pick order sometime? That would take some real research....
visa18	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio questions)	#13	[-]
Posts: 1486 (04/07/04 11:00 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	As far as the pitchy thing...it relates to the actual percision of the music. The fact that you would prefer to listen to pitchy than Fantasia is an opinion and has nothing to do with the percision of the music. (Though as NeonTetra pointed out, the judges are also "pimping" certain people so that over rides things sometimes) Everyone has different tastes and styles, but judges are supposed to comment on the actual performance, not just what they enjoy (though as I said, this doesn't happen...it is not the perfect AI world!) Also, the judges have often admitted that they do hear it differently live than on TV. So what they hear will not be what we hear. Imagine, they are in a large auditorium with screaming fans and they have to comment right away, no chance to rewind and relisten or anything. And TC...while I do find your question interesting, I wouldn't help out because of your attitude! If you are asking for help you shouldn't be such an a**hole! Just my opinion of course.
zarles is sex	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio questions)	#14	[-]
Posts: 349 (04/07/04 11:28 AM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Its kind of interesting when you compare Kelly and Ruben, they had similar spots. The order of appearance on the show is not random and is chosen by the producers. They try to start and end the show with an excellent performance to draw in viewers. Its no surprise then that people who frequently perform in these 2 spots would stick around closer to the end. Last year, order of appearance of the final 2, was determined by a coin toss.
visa18	Re: Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio question	#15	[-]
Posts: 1486 (04/07/04 12:09 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	cgnudumples...thanks for the info! VERY interesting read! Would love to see this after AI3 is finished! Thanks again!
Mockingbird	Re: Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio question	#16	[-]
Posts: 105 (04/07/04 12:15 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* They try to start and end the show with an excellent performance to draw in viewers. Notice how either Ruben or Clay got the final slot in almost every AI2 show last year. Interesting that so far this year, the favored last slot has been passed to a different performer each week.
cgnudumples	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio question	#17	[-]
Posts: 14974 (04/07/04 12:40 PM) AI Forum Moderator That Is Not Possible More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* cgnudumples...thanks for the info! VERY interesting read! Would love to see this after AI3 is finished! Thanks again! My pleasure. I'll be sure to update this each week, so we can see how things transpire.
TarasMommy	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio question	#18	[-]
Posts: 9111 (04/07/04 2:57 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	*Quote:* if it's bad it should be able to be detected by an untrained ear right Yes and no. Obviously, if it is unpleaseant or odd sounding, it could be wrong. Or, it could be right...it depends on the composer/song writer. It's pretty cut and dry with pop music, though...lots of people hear stuff they like...and its total crap. I think "pitchy" might be a the layperson way of saying someone is consistently flat or sharp with regard to specific notes or ranges of notes. Of course, my musical training is all instrumental, not voice. I had a real problem when I was first learning brass instruments. Every one of my notes above a certain level went sharp. It's took a lot of proper breathing and mouthiece excercises to be able to hit and hold the notes properly.
AddictedToKelly	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio question	#19	[-]
Posts: 4499 (04/07/04 3:15 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Pitchy is when some one is frequently sharp and/or flat during the song rather than in tune, or on pitch. That simple.
AddictedToKelly	Re: Calling all AI math geeks (And pitch/audio question	#20	[-]
Posts: 4499 (04/07/04 3:22 PM) Registered user More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Also, don't you just love how either Clay or Ruben were last every single time (except once, which was probably a mistake).

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