Good: Tom, Danni, Vecepia
Average: Jenna M, Chris
Poor: Sandra, Amber
Horrible: Ethan
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dannystultz |
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Great: Tina, Brian & Richard
Good: Tom, Danni, Vecepia Average: Jenna M, Chris Poor: Sandra, Amber Horrible: Ethan |
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rudyknowsbest |
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I base my list based on how they playes, regardless of how much I liked them.
1. Chris (underdog, played hard, great liar, overcame the odds) 2. Rich (Set the standard for future Survivor players) 3. Tom (Dominant from the get go) 4. Tina (Another underdog... great strategist, had Colby in her palm) 5. Sandra (Really played a great mind game, especially after Rupert and Christa left) 6. Brian (Dominated mentally) 7. Danni (another underdog... knew whose coattails to ride and when. Kept her emotions in check) 8. Vecepia (Seemed like a really nice lady... won because everyone else had bigger fish to fry) 9. Ethan (Nice guy... didn't piss anyone off. Not much of a strategist) 10. Amber (One of the worst winners. Rob really won ASS...) 11. Jenna (I don't know how she won. Nobody really liked her. She was mean to the deaf girl... terrible strategist... whined all the time when she didn't get her way... allied with the skeleton troll that was Heidi.... played the dying mom card..... The only thing she did the whole season that I admired was winning the last two challenges. I hate her.) |
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GretchenIsMyGod |
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oo, i've always wanted to do this!
i'll just do how much i liked them because gameplay would really take some thought. All I've got so far on gameplay is Tina above Richard. Likeability, most to least: Tina Sandra Jenna Danni Tom Ethan Richard Amber Vecepia Brian Chris |
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JaMalle |
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based on likeability:
1. Sandra 2. Danni 3. Ethan * * 4. Richard 5. Tina * * * 6. Amber * 7. Chris 8. Brian 9. Vecepia * * * * * * * 10. Tom 11. Jenna As you can tell, I usually don't like the winners, except numbers 1-5. Hopefully Danielle/Cirie can pull off a win this season.... |
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TheIsraeliDevil |
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Gameplay:
1. Tina 2. Richard 3. Tom 4. Danni - - - - - 5. Brian - - - - - 6. Jenna 7. Vecepia 8. Sandra - - - - - 9. Amber 10. Chris 11. Ethan Likeablity: 1. Sandra 2. Tom 3. Danni 4. Ethan 5. Richard 6. Tina 7. Amber 8. Vecepia 9. Jenna 10. Brian 11. Chris |
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JaMalle |
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I forgot about my votes based on gameplay:
1. Richard * * 2. Tina 3. Danni * 4. Tom 5. Brian * * 6. Vecepia 7. Sandra 8. Jenna * * * * 9. Chris 10. Ethan 11. Amber - sorry, but her strategy only works for ASS. |
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chapera rocks |
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Eh, might as well post my list.
Strategy-wise, Richard is always number 1 for me and Ethan is always last for me. Likeability wise: 1. Amber 2. *Sandra 3. *Danni 4. *Jenna M 5. Ethan 6. Richard 7. Vecepia 8. Brian 9. Tina 10. Chris 11. Tom * Sandra, Danni, and Jenna M often switch places likeability wise but this is my feeling at the moment. 1-6 are winners I love, 7-8 are winners I slightly like, 9-10 are winners I dislike, and 11 is the winner I really dislike. |
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Pulau Tiga |
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Both of these vary wildly depending on my mood, but oh well.
Gameplay: 1. Brian - Brian generally tops lists such as these, and there's definitely a reason for it. He owned Thailand, pure and simple. He set up his pawns, and once he had the majority, all he had to do was go down the list. He played a clean, almost flawless game, and it netted him a million dollars. The fact that he could care less about the people he was surrounded by may have hurt him in the final vote, but he obviously got the support he needed, and his victory was well-earned. It would be very interesting to see him maneuvering through a more difficult game situation, but the fact that he never let such circumstances occur makes him the best Survivor winner the game has ever seen. 2. Tina - It's not that often that a truly nice person plays such a great game, and it is Tina's personality that puts her so far up this list. She understood how to align her alliance, and while a couple of lucky occurences led to her victory, her ability to play with what she had is what made her gold. Whether it was forming such a bond with Colby that he would take her to the Final 2 instead of aiming for the easy win or understanding exactly what people were willing to do and what they were thinking, Tina did what she had to to win, and she did it with an elegance that commands respect. 3. Richard - Let's be honest - there were plenty of times where Rich could have easily lost the game. However, the fact that he understood numbers and played off peoples' emotions took him far. Stepping out of the final IC is likely not a move many of us would have thought of when left with so little direction, but Richard knew exactly how such an action would benefit him. In a game full of naivety, with everyone scrambling to get a grasp on how to play it, Hatch stayed cool, calm, and collected and ultimately prevailed over his competition. --------- 4. Tom - Tom's a player whose position on my list varies greatly from time to time. He made himself a huge threat challenge-wise, yet that helped him earn the immunities he needed. He played a relatively straight-forward game, but when it was time to get his hands dirty, he didn't hesitate to do so. He quelled what may have been a game-ending overthrow from Gregg and Jenn, and he led the most dominant tribe in the history of Survivor. Tom likely would not have won without his physical abilities, but physicality is often an essential part of the game, and when combined with the right mental strategy, you create a formula for success. --------- 5. Amber - I hate the fact that Survivor became a setting for creating romance, but the fact remains that Amber and her Chapera alliance outlasted the competition. She chose exactly the right horse to ride to the end, and while Rob created many of the alliances that kept possible underminers in order, he was also the one that alienated many members of the jury. In a situation where it was clear that the Good Cop would defeat the Bad Cop, Amber correctly choose the role of the Good Cop. Yes, I would have liked to see her take a more active role in controlling the game. But the fact is that Rob did much of that for her, leaving her to create the subtle bonds and to start racking in the jury votes. 6. Danni - When you go into a merge with the minority, it takes a certain amount of luck to stick around while the majority alliance implodes. What sets Danni apart from Chris is that she seemed to have played a hand in creating that alliance downfall. She created good relations that helped her rise to the top, and ultimately chose the more strategically sound opponent to face in the F2. She made a blunder pre-merge when booting Blake, and while it probably caused the downfall of the other members of Yaxha, it ended working just fine for her. --------- 7. Sandra - I love her, but it's clear that she was never the dominant player of Pearl Islands. Pre-merge, she played the numbers right, and her alliance was always in control (making an especially wise move to keep Rupert for the merge, and later, the jury). The chaos that was the merged game of the season saw many bad plays from her, and many blindsides that she didn't see coming. However, she always served as the vote that anybody could use, and the player that would never win a challenge. She took out the power players when necessary, and it was her loyalty that gave her essential friends on the jury, ultimately handing her the win. 8. Jenna - Jenna deserves props for her social game, as well as the alliance she set up for the merge. In fact, if things had gone according to plan, she had a good chance at making it just as far as she did. However, Alex screwed her over with his dumb slip to Rob, and it was when the game was turned against her that Jenna showed her weaknesses. Not seeing a way out, she almost threw in the towel. Fortunately, Rob's paranoia moved her into the endgame, where a challenge streak forced the Worker Bee alliance to eat each other. Her final win ensured that she could make the right choice for the Final 2, and she did so, winning her the game. 9. Ethan - Ethan's decision to throw a challenge and boot Silas was genius. Beyond that, his game petered out. Lex almost lost the game for the Boran Boys, and it was only luck that saved their alliance from being torn apart. Mistep after mistep contributed to his win, and going against Kim J. in the Final 2 was not the most difficult task. Where Ethan may have had the social game in the bag, he failed in many of the more number-oriented elements. 10. Chris - Luck was on Chris' side in every way, shape, and form throughout Vanuatu. If it hadn't been for the young guys' stupidity, Chris may have very well been the first boot. Booting John K. destroyed the chance of a male alliance, giving the women the majority at the merge. Leann and Julie ended up saving Chris, and also ended up screwing over their own chances. A run of immunity wins against weaker women took Chris to the end, where his final opponent had created so many enemies he was sure to win. His entire game was a streak of luck, and so many things that he had nothing to do with kept him alive throughout. 11. Vecepia - Perhaps I underrate Vecepia, but I simply don't see her being the mastermind of Marquesas in the least. She and her alliance ruined their chances at Maraamu by booting the strong (Peter and Hunter). She stayed alive post-merge by being so under-the-radar and weak while much better boot options presented themselves. The overthrow of the Rotu 4 had very little to do with her; she was just a number in the minority that became a majority. She made the wrong decision at the Final 4, and the purple rock ended up giving her the Final 3 she should have wanted anyway. Kathy's dress problem took her out of the final immunity challenge, and cleared the way for Vecepia to slide into the Final 2. The jury ended up being too bitter to vote for the person who turned on them, and instead gave the game to the player who did nothing. Likeability: 1. Brian 2. Richard 3. Sandra --------- 4. Tom 5. Ethan 6. Tina --------- 7. Danni 8. Jenna --------- 9. Vecepia 10. Chris --------- 11. Amber |
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SwineForkbeard |
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dominant winners: Richard, Tina, Brian, Tom
come-from-behind winners: Vecepia, Jenna, Chris, Danni coattail-riding winners: Ethan, Sandra, Amber If Terry wins, he will be the ultimate second-tier winner. Danielle would arguably be a third-tier winner. Since the editing seems ambiguous about who is running the Casaya alliance, it's hard to say what type of winner any of the others would be. |
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WylDawg |
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Reasons why I hate it rank the winner "threads"
1. There'a at least one every month 2. People just post and don't actually read, so it's pointless 3. Most of the time, people rank according to likability and not gameplay 4. The winners are all from different seasons, with different people, with different circumstances. So it's like comparing apples with oranges. |
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SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor |
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People put Brian behind some of the others just because they didn't find him interesting but he unquestionably played the best game in the show's history. Made pacts with everyone on his tribe in order to secure his safety, and then brought himself to the end with someone he was guaranteed to win against. Every strategic move was flawless, he was a huge asset in the challenges, etc....there's no comparison.
Honestly, just look at the boots: #1: John - Brian gains full control of the tribe by unifying them against the outsider. #2: Tanya - Ditches the sick girl to help strengthen the tribe. #3: Ghandia - Rids his tribe of someone not very strong, causing tribal tension, and someone likely to form a female alliance or jump ship at the merge. #4: Ken - Strongest player left from Sook Jai. #5: Penny - Trying to stir things up strategically, arguably more adept at some ICs than Jake. #6: Jake - Completing the Pagonging. #7: Ted - Ridding himself of the next biggest immunity threat. #8: Helen - The most likeable left, and the next biggest challenge threat aside from his goat. #9: Jan - As if she would last long in the final IC. Perfect bumper for F3. The second she goes down, Brian's guaranteed F2 and the win. And remember that Brian's tribe was relatively weak compared to Koror for example. Tom had folks like Gregg, Ian and Coby backing him up. Brian had Ted. |
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beatles20147 |
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Quote: The only thing I don't like about them is how people rarely say why they ranked them in the order they did; they just list them. And I'm no TMG, I love listing threads if people explain their choices. |
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SurvivorFanGP |
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Quote: Well, i'm off to edit/explain then :) |
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beatles20147 |
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Quote: And just for that, you get my Best Newbie Award for today, and I will post my ranking. This is based on gameplay, although I'll talk about likeability. 1. Brian - I'm not a big fan of the guy (Helen was totally right in saying that he was pretty much the definition of a used car salesman), but he played brilliantly. The guy calculated everyone's strategies for them, ensuring that he was their #1 man while making sure they never realized that they were just being lined up to be slaughtered. His social game could have used a little work but he knew how to get the four votes he needed, and that's all he concentrated on. 2. Tina - Again, I don't like her as a person; she's totally fake, and not just her boobs. However, Varner should have realized that playing like Rich just wouldn't work again, especially in the very next season. It would take a more pleasant, but just as devious, person to take the money and Tina forged the relationships that she needed to with everyone to ensure that she would stick around (possibly excluding Amber and Nick, but they were just like cows eternally staring at an oncoming train in Outback). If someone were crafty enough, this strategy could easily lend itself to another win but nobody has even come close to Tina in getting it to work. 3. Rich - I don't care about the taxes thing; this is about the game here. If he played the way he did with a bunch of people who knew how the game worked, he would have never won. But still, he used their naivety to his advantage and pretty much showed the world how the game works. If he had not won the first Survivor, we probably wouldn't have seen anything past five or six seasons. 4. Tom - He and Sandra are pretty much tied for my favorite winner, but game-wise, Tom sort of went with the flow. His physical domination and choice to ally with the honorable Ian brought him to the end more than any strategic moves he made but he had perhaps the strongest social game after Tina. Everyone except Coby liked and respected Tom because he always treated them as equals and gave them credit for Koror's domination (which even Tom haters must admit wouldn't have happened if it weren't for Tom). I still hate the fact that he didn't win 7-0, and I hope we never see a 7-0 win because if Tom doesn't merit it, who the hell does? 5. Danni - She made mistakes (FWIW, the Blake boot wouldn't have mattered, as he probably would have gone at the double-TC if Brian had gone the TC before), but after merging at a disadvantage, she slowly worked her way into a great alliance with Rafe, and soon the fact that she was from Yaxha didn't matter. She booted the right people at the right time and made sure to sit next to someone unlikeable enough in the final two that she had the win in her pocket. 6. Amber - I don't know what disappoints me more: Tom not winning unanimously, or Amber beating Rob. I like Amber, she seems like a nice person. Ignoring the fact that she probably didn't deserve to be on ASS though, her strategy barely changed from Outback; only this time the other players didn't have as much as a drive to win apparently because they let her and Rob slide into the final two. She won because she was less offensive than Rob was, but I still say he deserved it. I give her credit for sticking to a plan she had from early on but it wasn't a brilliant strategy by any means. 7. Vecepia - Another one who played in a way that I would never play but it was her strategy and she made it work. I just think going extremely UTR is a pretty cheap way to play the game, but more often than not, it unfortunately works. 8. Jenna - The Amazon jury was like a high school clique of the popular kids, the kids who wanted to be popular, and Butch. Even though I wanted Matt to win, Jenna had a much stronger social game and deserved it, and the only person Matt can blame that on is himself. 9. Sandra - Let me first say that I love Sandra and if this were a likeability ranking, she'd be fighting Tom for the #1 slot. She definitely made friends and had the respect of most everyone but I don't really consider "Anybody but me" to be that great of a strategy. (Sandra, forgive me, you know I love you!) It's just way too risky. If you consistently switch sides and people find out, you could be booted for it, and if you make the final two, they may just think of you as someone who would sell out anyone to go far. That said, Sandra never really did sell anyone out; she usually voted in her best interests and there was most definitely a strategy involved in her game; not just luck. 10. Ethan - His one great strategic move was throwing the challenge to get rid of Silas. Other than that, he really relied on Lex to be his dumbass self and at the final four, as someone said a few days ago at Sucks, he managed to somehow be with three people who were dying to lose to him in the final two. The nice guys finish first message was nice but he really lucked out. 11. Chris - Chris has one of the finest final two performances ever, but talk about having everyone else do the work for you. Sarge coming up with the plan to boot the young guys; Twila realizing that they could team up with Scout and Eliza and take control...adding to that stupid moves like booting John K. over Julie or Twila and the rest of his alliance paying dearly for it...the guy totally lucked out that the women's alliance imploded. #1-3 I would consider the absolute masterminds of the game; #4-5 I would consider the not quite as strategic but still excellent players in terms of the social game; #6-9 I would say deserve credit for having a strategy and sticking to it; and the other two completely lucked out by having others do the dirty work (with a few exceptions as noted above). |
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chapera rocks |
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Quote: Let me first say that I thought Brian was a genious and an amazing player. Definitely top 3 winners ever. But, he did make one mistake that irks me. Why did he and Clay feel the need to tell Sook Jai that Ted was an outsider and he'd be voted out and that they might vote for him, so SJ should vote for Ted blah blah blah. SJ could have easily (one of the biggest blunders, no idea why they didn't) go to Ted, the fifth wheel, and tell him this. That was Jake's biggest regret, and it could have changed the game around completely. |
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tullfan2 |
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Quote: Actually, It was Brian and Clay's plan to manipulate the Sook Jai into casting votes for Ted so that Ted would NOT align with them. We didn't see all of the Chuey Jai social dynamic but Ted probably did not bond much with the former Sook Jai so there was little risk that the Sook Jai would go to him. We saw that Ted did not trust the Sook Jai (especially Penny). In addition, as Ken said in the episode, a unanimous vote for Ted was the best chance that he had to stay in the game. The best that the 3 of them could do in aligning with Ted was to force a tie. |
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Terrywins |
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note: I have never seen Palau, Vanuatu, or either the full part of all stars.
1. Brian- Undoubetly the best player to ever grace survivor. He knew exactly what he was doing the entire time and I was so suprised he did not win 7-0. 2. Richard- Once again another great manipulator. Even though he was in the first survivor and that was arguably the easiest one to win he stilled played a great game. 3. Tina- Great strategic and mental game. 4. Danni- Played an outstanding social game when she was the minority of the merged tribe. 5. Sandra- I think she played a greater game than the other winners. 6. Ethan- Didn't really even make any decisions to get rid of people except brandon. 7. Jenna- Ethan and Jenna are interchangable. I don't really like Jenna. 8. Vecepia- My least favortie winner because all she had to do was ride Kathys coatails the enitire time. Kathy was the Real Sole Survivor that season. |
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SurvivorSurvivorSurvivor |
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Brian didn't win 7-0 because he was up against the sorriest bunch of rejects (Sook Jai) in the game's history. In any other season, the player's would have realized how great Brian's game was and rewarded him accordingly. It should've been 6-1 with Clay having bonded with Erin enough to deserve her vote.
As for 7-0, the two UK winners both deserved it hands down, mostly because the people they were up against were just awful, awful people. In US Survivor, Sandra unquestionably deserved a 7-0 against somebody who was Already Voted Out. |
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chapera rocks |
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Quote: Or they could have kept their mouth shut and Ted would have no way of ever knowing that he was on the outs. Brian/Clay exposed the CG pecking order, and that's one of the worst moves one can make. At the time, maybe yes, it was KEN's best shot (although they should have went to Ted as a safety precaution). But after Ken failed to stay, Penny and Jake should have went straight to Ted, which Jake somewhat did, but he didn't mention any names and that was reason Ted didn't believe them. If SJ had smartened up a little (and it was Jake's biggest regret), they could have told Ted and potentially flipped the entire game around. It's like when Alex told Rob he was fourth place - everyone called him a dumbass and one of the worst players ever (which he is) because it didn't work out. It happened to somehow work for Brian and Clay but it doesn't make it a good move at all. |
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JaMalle |
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Quote: Wrong, the sook jais actually liked clay a lot better than slimey ass Brian. I'm actually surprised that he won (owes it to the Ted/Clay/Helen conflict). His social game wasn't that great, but he definately deserves to win. Quote: That's why I hate Tijuanna..... and Rafe's hypocritical dumb ass for voting against Danni based on bitterness. |
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