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Posts: 173 (12/15/08 3:35 PM) Registered user |
1. Amber
2. Parvati 3. Jenna 4. Danni 5. Tina 6. Sandra 7. Ethan 8. Yul 9. Aras 10. Vecepia 11. Tom 12. Bob 13. Todd 14. Brian 15. Richard 16. Earl 17. Chris |
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Posts: 23 (12/15/08 4:21 PM) Registered user |
1. Richard
2. Chris 3. Tom 4. Tina 5. Todd 6. Bob 7. Danni 8. Sandra 9. Earl 10. Brian 11. Yul 12. Ethan 13. Vecepia 14. Jenna 15. Parvati 16. Aras 17. Amber |
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PJMichaelangelo |
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Posts: 135 (12/15/08 5:21 PM) Registered user |
Thailandsurvivor wrote:What I'm talking about is the goal of Survivor is to win. In order for you to win you have to give people a reason to write your name down. And someone writing your name down because they don't want to write someone else's name down counts just as much as getting your name written down because people think you deserve to win. I hear people call some juries irrational. Well, if they're irrational and emotional then, you know what? That was your fault for not taking that into account. Boston Rob lost the million dollars because he trashed out of the game relationships in order to get to the final TC. Is it the jury's fault for not recognizing Rob as that season's superior player? No. It was his fault for not recognizing how bitter he'd made the jury. Look at Chris. He knew he'd be facing a hostile jury and what did he do? He made sure that he gave each and every one of those jurors exactly what they needed to hear in order to vote for him. Each season is its own distinct calculus equation. There may be some common themes in strategies, but each season requires its own unique strategy in order to win. Could Sandra have won any season other than Pearl Islands? Probably not. But she was the right person in the right situation and played the right game to get that check. Sometimes being the lesser of two evils is the winning strategy. Doesn't make it any less valid than being a part-time porn star sociopathic mastermind. |
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Posts: 3 (12/15/08 7:23 PM) |
From best to worst.
1. Richard 2. Vecepia 3. Chris 4. Tina 5. Sandra 6. Brian 7. Tom 8. Todd 9. Parvati 10. Yul 11. Amber 12. Jenna 13. Ethan 14. Danni 15. Bob 16. Aras 17. Earl |
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Posts: 238 (12/15/08 7:29 PM) |
PJMichaelangelo wrote:I disagree because you can't predict how people are going to vote with any certainty. It's more luck based than great gameplay unless that person has demonstrated certain behavioral patterns or talked about how they'd vote as a juror to the other players. Even then, you could only believe them so much. So I think bitter juries are completely a reality |
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menelaus |
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Posts: 58 (12/15/08 8:20 PM) |
You can anticipate how people are going to vote, quite easily in fact. People with a Harvard education tend to be incredibly self-righteous, so they vote
bitterly (Alex and Marcus). Jean-Robert hated Courtney, he probably wasn't going to send his vote that way, even with his vow not to let Todd or Amanda
win, and then Todd stroking his ego compelled him to vote for Todd, because he likes getting his ego stroked. Vanuatu basically proves that people can taylor
their FTC performances to the specific jury. Chris bsed his way through that TC, telling everybody exactly what they wanted to hear, so he won. It's all a
matter of figuring out what kinds of people are on the jury and being manipulative in your answers.
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 The Purple Parrot |
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Posts: 8220 (12/15/08 10:13 PM) Registered user |
1. Sandra
2. Todd 3. Tina 4. Rich 5. Danni 6. Tom 7. Vee 8. Jenna 9. Ethan 10. Earl 11. Yul 12. Parvati 13. Brian 14. Aras 15. Bob 16. Amber 17. Chris |
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7Sages |
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Posts: 239 (12/15/08 10:17 PM) |
menelaus wrote:Some jurors are easier to figure out than others. Also, often times you don't have total control of who makes the jury, so you can be stuck with a losing situation no matter what |
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GnarlsInCharge |
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Posts: 2873 (12/15/08 10:23 PM) Registered user |
PJMichaelangelo wrote:Their is a huge difference btwn playing UTR and what happened with Bob. Having someone intentionally fuck over their own game and willingly play for your win because they think that's what America will want is a once in a series type thing. No winner not even any other finalist had the good fortune of something like that happening to them. |
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Posts: 196 (12/15/08 10:50 PM) |
Not to mention Charlie had said that Bob intentionally went to sleep when the others strategized since he was not there for "that". Add that in with
what Jesusita said in her realityonline interview about Bob being content with 6th or 5th place..... Yeah I don't see how anyone can say he's better
than any of the 16 other winners based on gameplay.
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CSCin3D |
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Posts: 10813 (12/15/08 10:54 PM) Registered user |
Yeah, Bob is deff down there with Aras and Ethan, but who cares, at least he's a good person. I remember a preaseason interview where he said he
didn't care about how he did in the game and he was already a winner just for getting to go to Africa <3
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Posts: 7363 (12/15/08 10:55 PM) |
Even if you think Bob sucks at strategy, he still played nice and got the most emotional player in the game to swing things his way. He won because he was
more likable. That means he's at LEAST better than Amber, who only won because she was in the finals with Rob, who the jury hated for reasons outside of
the game.
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menelaus |
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Posts: 63 (12/15/08 11:06 PM) |
But Amber actually played the game and did some strategic play (or at least convinced Shii-Ann that she did). Bob LITERALLY did nothing, he was like Neleh who
never decided to start playing.
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seltzer3 |
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Posts: 941 (12/15/08 11:13 PM) Registered User |
I like Bob as a person. He would be a really cool guy to hang out with. That being said, I think he is definitely one of the worst/second worst winners in
terms of strategy.
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Posts: 197 (12/15/08 11:31 PM) |
Kitty you say Bob "GOT" the most emotional player in the game to swing his way??? Really because he looked just dumb founded when she said he was
gonna save him, which tells me he did not do anything and if you credit him with that than Amber should get credit for having the most Ruthless player in
Allstars "Swing things" her way. And im not even an Amber fan.
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Posts: 197 (12/15/08 11:31 PM) |
Kitty you say Bob "GOT" the most emotional player in the game to swing his way??? Really because he looked just dumb founded when she said he was
gonna save him, which tells me he did not do anything and if you credit him with that than Amber should get credit for having the most Ruthless player in
Allstars "Swing things" her way. And im not even an Amber fan.
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LKMOSCAR |
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Posts: 5688 (12/16/08 12:36 AM) Registered user |
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Posts: 3834 (12/16/08 12:51 AM) |
My personal preference not based on stratey
1. Jenna 2 Parvati 3. Amber 4. Tina 5. Danni 6.Richard 7. Sandra 8 Brian 9. Earl 10. Bob 11. Yul 12. Vecepia 13. Ethan 14 Tom 15. Todd 16. Chris 17. Aras |
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Posts: 199 (12/16/08 1:37 AM) |
wow edinboro i would have pegged you for an aras fan...... Im fucking glad you aint though.
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Katy Carney |
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Posts: 2812 (12/16/08 11:35 AM) |
I agree with everyone who says Amber > Bob, for all the reasons that have been stated. Every winner > Bob.
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