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meggie28 |
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I actually think BOTH of them would be more enjoyable people if they got away from each other. Since the show started, I think they've been at that point
in the relationship where every little thing the other one does drives them insane. Kate's insanity manifests as straight bitchiness. Jon's as
withdrawal and behind the back eyerolling. As much shit as Kate gets for nagging him all the time, there are a lot of cases of Jon being a little bitch as
well. I remember them going out for a romantic dinner once and Kate being really happy and smiley and him really just sitting there pouting as she tried to
chat through the awkwardness. Then he snapped at her to get her own when she thought they could split appetizers. They're like that SNL skit from a few
years ago with Amy Poehler and Seth Meyer, the couple who should be divorced. I'm sure she'd still be a control freak tight ass, but this relationship
is not bringing out the best in either of them.
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smartguy24 |
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meggie28 wrote: I don't remember that, but I can totally see where he's coming from. Piss off with this sharing crap and get your own food ladies! |
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And the License Said You Had to Stick Around Until I Was Dead "Jon & Kate Plus 8" / Dustin Rowles TV Reviews | May 29, 2009 | Comments (67) I was expecting something else. I don't follow the tabloids or even much celebrity gossip any more, but I'd inescapably gathered - as a person with a computer and a television - that Jon and Kate Gosselin, the parents of eight children (including sextuplets) and stars of their own reality show were having difficulties in their marriage. I thought it was, perhaps, fodder to increase viewership for the show, which I'd planned to review as a throwaway piece for shits and giggles. As it turns out, it's a lot more difficult to make fun of "Jon & Kate Plus 8" than I thought it'd be. The disintegration of their marriage is real. It'd be impossible to fake what's going on onscreen, and if a producer wanted to create marital drama, it'd be more about angry outbursts and constant bickering. But angry outburst and constant bickering characterized the first four seasons of the show, and that's when their marriage was still a happy one. Now, it's passive aggressiveness, it's avoidance, it's inability to confront one another, and it's icy tension, all of which make for an unsettlingly real watching experience, which is not what I was expecting from a show on TLC. Before watching the fifth season premiere of "Jon & Kate Plus 8," I had a passing familiarity with the show. Mrs. Pajiba-hyphenate occasionally turned it on late at night while I was reading (she's far more compelled by "18 Kids and Counting"), and I'd gathered the gist of Jon and Kate's marital dynamic (which is far more interesting than the fact they have eight children). Kate is a harsh, acid-tongued, argumentative wife and mother, while Jon is the passive, put-upon, sometimes absent-minded, husband who follows his wife's orders, sometimes well and sometimes not so well. It's a familiar relationship dynamic - I see it in many of my friends' marriages. The wife almost always comes out on top - either the husband relents, or he puts up a huge, pride-fueled argument, and then he relents. Fair enough, as long as it's happening behind closed doors and away from friends, family, and the public at large, who can go on believing that the dynamic is a more even one. For a lot of men, I think it's an almost comfortable role, as it allows them to abrogate a small bit of responsibility, especially when it comes to parenting. Some Dads are content to argue spitefully that they'd love to switch places with their wives and be the primary caregiver, but other fathers who share - or even do the majority of the parenting - realize that, no matter how much they love their children, being responsible for keeping them fed, well-slept, properly bathed, preoccupied most of the day is more daunting than almost any 9-5 job, even if it more rewarding. Perception also plays a huge role. And I think that - regardless of whether Jon slept with the woman he's been alleged to have slept with (and from his body language on the show, it's obvious he did something wrong ) after four years of public emasculation and two years of full-time Daddy duty (he "quit" his job two seasons ago to take care of the kids full time) I suspect that Jon wanted to reclaim some of his pride, assert some independence, and stop spending his life (badly) taking orders. He's not entirely unsympathetic, but if Jon and Kate really wanted to do what was best for their children - which is what they spend the majority of the premiere arguing - then they would've called off the fucking show already. But they haven't, and in turn, we're privy to the slow, but obvious, dissolution of their marriage. And it's unpleasantly uncomfortable. It's not the train wreck I couldn't look away from I was anticipating - it's a train wreck I didn't take any joy in watching. In fact, to make that discomfort more immediate, this season premiere does something that I don't think that past seasons have done (and I may be wrong): It intercuts footage the producers caught months ago with testimonials that are closer to present day, which allows the couple to comment on what's going on in their marriage today while watching it come apart months ago. Not that we'd need the testimonials to tell us that - it's painfully clear. The premiere focuses on the 5th birthday party of the sextuplets, but again it's not really about the "8." It's about Jon and Kate, who I don't think were particularly good parents before the marital problems. But who am I to say what kind of parent I'd be if I had eight children, particularly considering that they're being judged on edited footage. But from what I can gather, Kate is frequently traveling to support her book, while Jon is present but largely absent. His mind is elsewhere. At the job he no longer has, or in a future that doesn't involve television cameras. Or in a place where he thinks he's too goddamn good to spend his life looking after the kids. And yet both consistently complain about the demands of being a parent, and like a lot of husbands and wives, seem to be in a series' long argument on who sacrifices the most for their children. The answer: The children, who have to sacrifice their childhoods to television cameras and, now, the constant presence of paparazzi, who follow them everywhere they go and capture every balloon they lose to the sky, while their parents benefit in the form of millions of dollars and round-the-clock babysitters who do a lot of the hard work off camera. Anyway, the kids are cute and somehow seem to live a relatively normal existence. But then again, five-year-olds don't expect a lot: A few bubbles, some bouncy stuff, and a birthday cake, all of which Jon and Kate provide with the help of TLC producers, no doubt. What's more troubling, however, is the fact that Jon and Kate barely share two words between each other at the birthday party. Whatever went down between the two clearly went down before the show taped, and neither Jon nor Kate really bother to shine it on for the cameras. But in addition to the tension, there's a certain wistfulness to the proceedings. Despite what they're putting their children through, clearly they love them, which makes the occasional hug or tender moment between parent and child stomach churning because you know what's going through their heads: This may be the last birthday party we may all spend together. It's palpable. And sad enough that it made me - and I expect much of the audience - feel uncomfortably voyeuristic. We shouldn't be watching it, and for God's sake, they shouldn't be offering it up for the cameras. But that's reality TV. Put aside the tabloid associations, and it's sociologically compelling. The fame and attention reality TV brings might have felt strangely alluring four seasons ago. However, as opposed to the always smiley and uncomplicated marriage on "18 Kids and Counting," this show is beginning to reveal the long-term consequences that cameras can have on a marriage. "Jon and Kate Plus 8" is what Josh Harris, the Internet pioneer documented in Quiet: We Live in Public, predicted: No relationship can survive the kind of constant scrutiny only a video camera can provide. And there's not a lot of entertainment value in watching it. Just anguish.
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Aunt Pappy |
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Regarding the child labor law investigation, I strongly doubt that what prompted them to start investigating was a complaint by some inconsequential
individual. This has been brewing for some time and I'm sure a complaint was made by someone higher up the ladder due to all the complaints over time
finally falling on not-so-deaf ears. From what I've read, the general consensus seems to be that the investigation will not find any laws broken, but they
have to investigate nevertheless due to the formal complaint. And at least it would definitely shut up a hell of a lot of people.
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LOLABINGO |
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Didn't the brother and sister in law say they had made a complaint? They were sure blabbing on about it on that morning show.
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Special on E! right NOW!
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graperthanthese |
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Wowie-zowie....now some conservative christian guy is calling for an investigation of what he's calling "the Gosselin Ponzi scam". If that gets
the churches, who have been a major source of income for Jon & Kate over the last couple of years, all riled up, they're going to lose a major chunk of
their loyal fanbase. I've thought all along that these poor dopes who buy the Gosselin lip service to Christianity were stupid for giving "love
offerings" to them at their appearances, as well as shelling out $20 a pop for autographed pictures of the kids and the parents, but now it looks like
these people are finally wising up. Bwahahahaha
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ColbyRulesAll |
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OMG Kate was trailer trash growing up!!!
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Charming Nemesis |
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Makes me sick at all the people trying to jump on the bandwagon for their own gain.
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VolumeOn |
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Am I the only one that doesn't consider Kate's body guard as hunky? imo, he's downright fugly.
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Frankie G Morris |
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3hairsandyouremine wrote: I couldn't pull off high and mighty well anywhere. (If it makes you feel better - we rarely use paper plates, etc. and I have lots of trees around!) How is this any different than what you are seeing? I would love to be one of the co-eds (not to mention sucking off Jon).Are you serious?! Do you really find him desirable? I don't think he is barfworthy - but I find nothing 'seXay' about his whiney persona. |
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sunny |
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I thought the brother of the 23 yr old teacher was credible and believable - and the phone video of Jon leaving early in the morning really put a period at
the end of the sentence. And as horrible as that might be, Kate's behavior is far worse.
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jasbel |
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It wasnt me... I dont know the truth, but the reports are Kate locked him out of the house and asked him to leave. I really feel if they can work things out
great, but if they can't it is better to divorce now and give the kids a chance to adjust. I believe Jon will be there for the kids as will Kate. So what
he bought a sports car. They have a 15 passenger van and a mini van. Kate can probably continue the show raising the kids as a single Mom. That doesnt make
Jon a bad person.
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LOLABINGO |
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graperthanthese wrote:That is no "Christian" guy, it's some female blogger, although apparently she is contacting whomever she can think of. Her bio is bonkers. bolding mine Last but not least I contacted Tom Corbett's office without giving my name of course asking the babe who answered the phone if The Gosselins were indeed conducting fraud. The babe on the phone to my amazement said that they have been receiving numerous calls a day asking about The Gosselin Family and their actions especially involving "love offerings". She then forwarded me to another lady who is the unofficial PR whore for these calls, and all I got was "Mr. Corbet strongly believes that fraud on all levels must be dealt with, however in light of The Gosselins that is currently not an option that Mr. Corbett is considering at this time as it could be harmful to their 8 children." The PR whore then told me to have a good day, and hung up.sounds like another GWOP nutter to me. or just a raving lunatic... |
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wrsrules |
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Wow, I can not believe I am saying this but I feel bad for kate. Yeah she is bitchy but look how imature John behaves half the time, it is like she has 9 kids
to take care of. John is a whiney little baby.
Being a bitch is one thing, and what woman doesn't get moody and PMSy some times, but cheating on your spouse well, again very imature. Not the grown up way to deal with stuff. One more thing I don't think John could have found a more ugly chic to cheat on Kate with, that is one fugly 23 year old. And if you really love your children John you wound not be a cheater and put your whole family through this. |
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Frankie G Morris |
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Take it from me I would give up anything for the benefit of my kids, and I can see it Jon's eyes that he loves them to death, and he never wanted any part of the fame, and just wants to be a normal dad raising his kids. WaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Poor Jon. Honestly, even though if they are both screwing they should have just broke up, but I would guess eight kids puts a bit of a damper on it. What annoys me more with Jon is him NOW saying he didn't want the spotlight. Ummmm they have been doing this retarded show since the young ones were babies. They were broker than hell. If Jon was such a great provider, loved being a dad, and didn't want the fame - he should have said NO to the show. I am sure he had to sign the consent forms. If he says "Kate made me" - then he should have gotten his BALLS out of her pocketbook - and said NO to her. Jon is just like a baby. He liked the fame, the $$$$, and the show when it suited him. With the show they were able to get more $$$, help, and he bellied up to the gravy train. He was seen as the good guy, and the press loved him. Now things aren't going his way - he hates it all. Also, whoever said Jon would be a better dad to only a couple kids, and a simple job, too fucking bad. There are eight of them - there isn't two - unless you are recommending that possibly TLC kill off six of them - or to make Jon happy he can chose two of his favorites and send the other six to foster care. Honestly, I think Kate will do just fine without him. They have $$$ now. She could hire a full time nanny/maid. She may not be the "fun" one - she takes care of the kids, she is just not "goofy" or doesn't seem like a cuddly mom, but I think she loves them. I just think she is soooo driven, and curt - that she thinks she is teaching the kids responsibility and to be independent. She could "pretend" to be something she isn't because the cameras are around. She has to realize that she comes off as a royal bitch. Jon sucks. Hell - he even picked a homely girl to have an affair with. Kate is a bitch. She is course, anal, and would drive me nuts - but she also gets some done. I will take her over the passive/agressive Jon. The kids are cute and very very whiny. I know if I had that many kids I would wanna been on lots and lots and lots of XanaX or something. |
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Honestly I don't know that Kate would ever know HOW to be a parent w/out someone else there. She is a manager. Jon, I do think in his own goofy ass (which
is how most of us do it) way, knows and could pull it off. She really was fucked up as a child or something, she doesn't have that natrual "love"
gene or something. Seriously, how many times did she ignore the kids at the party until someone pointed out (by an "aww) that one of them was trying to
talk to her.
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Frankie G Morris |
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GNG, I really do think that she could pull it off. She seems a bit "cold", but growing up three of my best friends also came from families with
eight kids. ((Luckily they were spread out lots more than the "8".)). Their moms loved them, but didn't do the awwwww thingie though. They
were more about getting meals, laundry, etc done. They rarely come to school events, etc. I can't remember any of them having an actual birthday party,
etc. I spent a lot of time at all their houses, but the mothers basically ignored us unless we were making too much noise or making a mess. Now that all the
kids are grown - they are all really lovey dovey with their grandchildren. I think when the kids were growing up - they were too busy keeping the house/family
running smoothly.
I do see Kate interacting with the kids. I remember Kate talking about the girls coming and sitting at the counter in the kitchen and talking to her, because Jon liked to "play" with them, but didn't like to "listen" to their stories. See I Jon more as the one that wants to play, get them riled up, and then he "needs" his time. I can't stand the passive agressive prick. |
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3hairsandyouremine |
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When you mention Kate interacting with her kids, I immediately think of the "pedicure" she gave the twins. The one where they were wincing in pain
as she savagely filed their toe nails, muttering how she would have LOVED it if her mother gave her a pedicure just once.
And then I think of them at the spa - Kate off in the distance, getting her me time; tricking the girls into thinking they're doing something together. Or when 2 of the little ones have an arguement, she blows them off and then rolls her eyes at the camera. Or when she demands they quit eating strawberries and they playfully don't stop and then she complains that they don't understand English. Nice - racist to your own kids. Get them used to it. |
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Frankie G Morris |
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I didn't see the pedicure show. Then again, I had never heard of Jon, Kate, or the Eight until their drama.drama.drama started a couple months ago. I
am sure I will bore with them all in the next few weeks.
I agree she is a bitch, I just don't get all the Jon love from most people. His parenting skills lack a lot. He rolls his eyes and gets bored easily with the kids and Kate. He is clueless, and doesn't seem to be able to make a decision on his own. Well - I guess other than porking some ugly chickie, and doing belly shots with Co-eds. |
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