I hear the arguement is to prevent the stratagy of taking a "goat" to the f2. However, as demonstrated in Fiji the plan is not foolproof, and it
REALLY is unappealing. Please Mark Burnett, go back to the f2.
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Will they EVER get rid of the final 3?
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Will they EVER get rid of the final 3? |
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Posts: 1702 (11/26/07 09:02 AM) Registered user |
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Alffmix |
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Posts: 3893 (11/26/07 09:14 AM) Registered User |
" You convinced me, Dr Will Hatch 2.0. Consider it done!"
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Kirblar |
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Posts: 4964 (11/26/07 10:15 AM) Registered user |
No. It's permanent. And a change for the better.
Did you really want to see Ozzy or Cassandra win? |
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Posts: 5558 (11/26/07 10:17 AM) Registered user |
F2 is WAY better
if Cassandra won, we would have gotten more than "uh hm..." Ozzy would have lost since he would have taken Yul anyway |
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Kirblar |
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Posts: 4965 (11/26/07 10:19 AM) Registered user |
It's a game where you survive based primarily on whether you can get other people to keep you around.
And then to have the winner decided on by a challenge? The system was broken. |
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Posts: 729 (11/26/07 10:20 AM) |
Uh, YEAH. I would've loved to see Ozzy win. Of the final 4, he was the most interesting.
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Posts: 448 (11/26/07 10:39 AM) Registered user |
I agree...I HATE this F3 spin on everything...too many finalists, too many jurors...I'm over it.
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Posts: 511 (11/26/07 10:42 AM) Registered user |
To answer the question...yes, they'll eventually get rid of it when Burnett starts getting upset about people bringing 2 goats to the end and decides to
make it a Final 4 facing the jury. Then we'll all hate that even more.
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Posts: 449 (11/26/07 10:45 AM) Registered user |
Exactly...they'll never change that, no matter how many finalists they have...players will just keep adapting and working it out so that they finish with a
pair of goats...7 jurors, 2 finalists=perfect
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Posts: 1710 (11/26/07 11:02 AM) Registered user |
Exactly, as its already happened. Also, how does anyone know whether Dreamz would of won the final challange? It may very well have been Earl
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Posts: 1649 (11/26/07 11:06 AM) Registered user |
I'm glad to hear that seasons 1-12 are now considered failures. Thank you, Mark Burnett, for invalidating the last seven years of my TV watching.
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 1711 (11/26/07 11:11 AM) Registered user |
Mark Burnett is the George Lucas of TV producers.
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This Situation |
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Posts: 20 (11/26/07 11:47 AM) |
I doubt Earl would have won the final challenge.
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Posts: 13125 (11/26/07 12:10 PM) Registered user |
I hate this argument that it prevents 2 lamoids to get to the final 2 (i.e Dreamz vs. Cassandra). The whole point of Survivor is to adapt your strategy has it
goes. Essentially by going to the end with people you know will bring you to the final 2 and won't win over the jury votes. Take Brian, for example. He
sure as hell wasn't challenge God, but he made sure to go to the final 3 with someone he would either beat in the final challenge (Jan) and someone he
would beat in front of the jury (Clay). He needed to make sure Helen and Ted were history before the final 3, which was a tough move to pull off seeing as it
almost cost him the win. But that's how you play Survivor.
If the final 2 was still in place, Earl would've seen the imminent Cassadra/Dreamz final 2 and would've had to readapt his strategy accordingly. Basically, he would've had to get rid of Dreamz before the final 3 or manipulate him into taking him to the final 2, by voting off Cassandra at F3. That's how the game used to be played back then and it was much more complex. Now it's all about surrounding yourself with social misfits. |
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Alffmix |
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Posts: 3896 (11/26/07 12:39 PM) Registered User |
Hey people, don't complain, in Loft Story 4 (reality show here in Québec), at the finale, it's a freakin' final SIX.
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Quiddity |
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Posts: 1436 (11/26/07 01:02 PM) Registered User |
No. It's permanent. And a change for the better. You're probably right in saying that its permanent, but you couldn't be more wrong about it being for the better. The F3 worked as a one time twist in Cook Islands, and I fully supported it in that season. But as a permanent part of the game, its a huge failure. Myth: The winner of the F3 challenge pretty much always won the game, meaning that winning the game all came down to winning the F3 challenge. Fact: In the 12 seasons where we had the F2, the F3 challenge winner won only 5 times. 7 times the winner did not win in the final challenge. You win by getting yourself in the best F3 position, not necessarily by winning the F3 challenge. Myth: The game's best player always came in third and we ended up with 2 lesser competitors in the F2. The F3 fixes that. Fact: All the final 3 does is result in that so called best player coming in fourth, instead of third. We saw it happen in Fiji. The only reason that both Yul and Ozzy got to F3 in Cook Islands was because the producers screwed up with the HII expiration date, resulting in both being immune at that TC. Myth: In a F2 game, one great player will drag a goat to the end and win. F3 fixes that. Fact: All that happens is the 'great player' drags two goats to the end instead of one. We saw that happen in Fiji when Earl dragged ultra goats Dreamz and Cassandra to the end and demolished them in the jury vote. There's no logical reason for supporting the F3. If you want to be truly fair, make it so there's no immunity challenge at all at F3. All three votes. Whoever gets two votes goes and the other two face the jury. That's the fairest way to go about things. This F3 garbage significally dampers the game and makes no improvements whatsoever. |
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Posts: 1549 (11/26/07 01:02 PM) Registered user |
At least now we're back to the F3 + 7 instead of +9. I do hope the jury questions are not hopelessly edited down as in S13 and S14, where they couldn't possibly have shown 27 questions (3 x 9). 3 x 7 is still a lot, and I'm sure we'll miss a lot (most of Denise's almost certainly) but I hope we can see almost all of the questions...the most fun part of the finale. |
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Posts: 3902 (11/26/07 01:05 PM) Registered User |
Francois40 wrote: Don't count her out yet, we never know what crazy lunch lady shit she could come up with. |
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Posts: 5561 (11/26/07 01:24 PM) Registered user |
Exactly, the most fun part was the final tribal council and the last 2 seasons were SO BORING…you miss all the good stuff and it feels so rushed now…I never minded a goat going to F2 cause I knew they would get trashed. |
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Posts: 6827 (11/26/07 02:45 PM) Registered user |
Kirblar wrote: Fuck yes. Why does everybody automatically assume all late 20s early 30s boring alpha male types are good winners? I would have shit myself with glee if Cassandra won. |
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Posts: 4967 (11/26/07 03:04 PM) Registered user |
Ah, dumbassery. You're making up arguments that no one uses in order to make a point. How specious of you. The problem is not that the F3 challenge winner wins the game. It's that the F3 challenge determines the winner. You have 2 players who have a chance of winning and a goat. If either player wins, they knock the other out. If the goat wins, they vote out one of the players, deciding the game instead of the Jury. The Jury had become an afterthought. Every non-ASS season since S6 had followed the same pattern with a player routing a goat 5-2 or 6-1 in the finals. Again, more idiotic arguments that no one with half a brain uses to defend it. The "big threat" player willl often be eliminated right before the finals, in the F3 or F4 slot. This does nothing to change that, its the nature of the game. The F3 makes itt much more difficult to get a blowout win in the endgame. Will they still happen? Sure. But it's happened ONCE so far. compared to the 6 times it occured with an F2. Myth: In a F2 game, one great player will drag a goat to the end and win. F3 fixes that.Because, as we all saw in Cook Islands, Yul murdered Ozzy, cloned becky, and won 9-0-0. Oh wait. We've had 2 seasons with the F3, one a close vote, and one a blowout. Saying they're all going to turn out like Fiji now is just hyperbolic bullshit. |
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