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kenc333		#41	[-]
Posts: 31 (12/03/07 9:06 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Has anyone ever considered a possible scenario for James where he uses one idol at this previous tribal council, then if he doesn't win immunity next time, he tells the rest of the tribe that he's gonna use another idol, hoping to win the F5 immunity challenge (cause if everyone else can lie, it can work for him too)...then they avoid voting for him, it would be hard to arrange a split-vote, then he doesn't use an idol, and has one left for the last tribal council they work in..
Sabina Sperber		#42	[-]
Posts: 784 (12/03/07 9:07 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	"He'll keep em to sell on ebay after the shows over " His reserve price, 1 mil baby.
Francois40		#43	[-]
Posts: 1576 (12/03/07 9:12 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Well Yul never used his idol and no one faults him for that. BIG difference: Yul's rules were to play it after the vote. Yul was never in the position of having to take a chance and play it; he just had to wait and see if he got voted off. Nobody would fault James for not playing his if those same rules were in effect here.
Phukdis		#44	[-]
Posts: 378 (12/03/07 9:19 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm was a James fan, and I still think it was stupid to try to keep them. The individual immunity challenges since the merge were all pretty much non-physical, I think everyone knows that James would probably win any real physical challenge. I would be real surprised if the next IC wasn't some sort of physical challenge that James could well have won if he had used his immunity idols like he should have. It may have been the editing, but from the look on his face during tribal council, he was at least suspicious, so not using one of his idols was beyond stupid.
McWolcott		#45	[-]
Posts: 5554 (12/03/07 9:25 PM) The Real American Psycho Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's real easy to play armchair quarterback but unless you're in the position, you can't say with 100% certainty anything about what he did. Who knows how they edited or what all the others told him to make him feel safe?
platinumtlc		#46	[-]
Posts: 581 (12/03/07 10:24 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Who cares? the asshole is gone. No more what ifs! He didn't play the idols when he should have. GONE GONE GONE
LilBit0fFun		#47	[-]
Posts: 2 (12/03/07 10:36 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'd still be willing to have him accompany me if I'm in the jungles of China...and those things will make great book-ends (Christmas is coming).
JaMalle		#48	[-]
Posts: 3400 (12/03/07 11:46 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OH WOW I never even thought of if James gave his idols away after leaving. I definitely would. In fact, I'd give my idols to PG right then and there in front of everybody before leaving. Take that Fei Long!
JaMalle		#49	[-]
Posts: 3401 (12/03/07 11:47 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Or hell, better yet, I'd give one to PG and one to Erik! That'd make Todd/Courtney/Denise/Amanda squirm!
Jericoholic43		#50	[-]
Posts: 1583 (12/04/07 12:35 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Are the idols allowed to be played during the final 4? I think they were at one time but that was before the whole Final 3 thing. If it couldnt be played at the final 4 then I think it was sorta a dumb move. He had 2 chances to win an immunity Challenge. If I was James I would have taken the risk that I would at least win one challenge. But even James admitted that he rolled the dice too many times. If it worked, and he didnt play the idols and wsnt voted off, Everyone would be talking about how dumb all the other players were for not attemtping to take out James and letting him walk right into the finals. The reward for the risk he was taking was so big that he decided to take the risk. Imagine James in the final 6 with 2 idols?
Alpha 0Mega X		#51	[-]
Posts: 250 (12/04/07 1:21 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't think James was dumb for holding on to his idols, but just the fact that he was so arrogant and laughed at Jaime, PG, and Zhan Hu and then went out trusting his tribe and losing in IMMUNITY challenges and calling them losers, he deserves to be laughed at for being blindsided like a moron
assface killah		#52	[-]
Posts: 2316 (12/04/07 1:23 AM) Owns stock in Clorox Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Mypoody2 wrote: How does blindside translate to stupidity? It's like saying Rob C is stupid for not getting taken to the final 2 with Jenna, or that Leann was the dumbest player of all time because she didn't see that Eliza and the others flipped. It's not a matter of James being stupid, it's a matter of the other players being smart. Actually... your posts in this thread (and the thread itself mind you) translate to stupidity. Chill out... you do know that this is just a show right? MP... when you tilt your head to the side... does it sound like a penny falling down a drain??
LilBit0fFun		#53	[-]
Posts: 3 (12/04/07 1:45 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I didn't see anything Janes did that I would considere arrogant. Who wouldn't laugh at Jamie and PG? james was amazingly humble when you consider he did the majority of work there but never once did they show him complaining about that. Of course, we only see a small bit of what really happens and so I immagine we miss a lot of people telling PG what a pitiful person she is.
Nods		#54	[-]
Posts: 1954 (12/04/07 2:24 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It was a dumb move on his part not using the idols, his dumbest move though was not alligning with JR or PG both of which would have alligned and stayed loyal to him. He was a loner and he lost.
1Maya		#55	[-]
Posts: 4532 (12/04/07 2:46 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	>>I think it's funny because had James used his idol and recieved no votes he would have been bashed as well. I doubt it, and if he was so what - - - it would still have been a good move. I thought he was stupid two weeks ago when he was obviously feeling the heat...he felt then that he had come close to getting the boot. I would have played it then. And now, why start thinking you're safe all of a sudden? I would have been trying my best to win the IC's every time after that, but in the meantime I would have been playing my IC's every time I had an opportunity. Once they're gone, then I'll deal with that scenario then. I wouldn't have cared what my alliance members were saying to me to my face. Better safe than sorry. This is Survivor, dude. Backstabbing, blindsiding and lying is the name of this game. If you're going to play it, you at least ought to play like you know what you've gotten yourself into. Last Edited By: 1Maya 12/04/07 2:49 PM. Edited 1 times.
Francois40		#56	[-]
Posts: 1585 (12/04/07 10:29 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think it's funny because had James used his idol and recieved no votes he would have been bashed as well. If he had just one Idol, that might be a valid point, but with TWO of them, he would still have a huge advantage, have survived another round, AND taken out an enemy of his. He only gets a couple more chances to play it, and if he can skip to that point, he should make it happen.
sunflower100		#57	[-]
Posts: 2598 (12/04/07 11:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	930cab wrote: I don't see James as greedy. He was all about keeping the TEAM together. James thought he was in an alliance and was safe. So far his core group had been true to him so why should he think anything had changed? I don't recall anyone calling him an idiot for not playing the idol either of the past two weeks. If he was an idiot for not playing it last week then he was an idiot for not playing it for the past 3 weeks? Think about it, he could have been voted out at any one of those weeks. But he wasn't voted out so he's not an idiot? Then last week he doesn't play it and is voted out so now he's an idiot. Some of you are masters of hindsight. The facts are he could have gone home any of these past weeks since the merge. It all comes down to a complete guess as to when to play it. He's living the game 24/7 and went with what made sense to him in that situation. It's easy to sit on the couch and see all the behind the scenes stuff then call him an idiot. My guess is he felt safer now that there were two enemy tribe's people still in camp. If he burns the idols two weeks in a row he won't have one when the PG and Erik are gone. Yes, it was a valid idea to play the idol and hope you win a challenge in order to save the idol. However, seeing as how he never won anything I could see why he didn't try that strategy. Facts are he had two idols and 5 or 6 weeks that he could have playing them in. Calling him an idiot for not knowing the exact two weeks in which to play them is crazy. He trust his tribemates and they burned him. If not this week then they would have done it to him in the final 5. i do agree hindsight is 20/20 and all of that. i don't think james was an idiot, because lots of people get blindsided in this game. however, he did have 2 idols, and was almost booted last time. they hadn't made a move against james yet, because they still needed his vote. when people tried to get rid of him last time, that should have been warning enough to at least use one. james is actually pretty lucky that his alliance didn't turn on him sooner, because of the idols ,i do like james, but i do think he should have known used one. they didn't try to take him out sooner, because todd/courtney couldn't stand JR, and didn't want to leave frosti around to create a tie at the final 6.
Mike36fan		#58	[-]
Posts: 449 (12/05/07 2:55 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The best players in Survivor are the ones who endlessly run each player's scenario and put themselves into the other survivors' position in relation to the all remaining players and also the jury. If James had done this, it would have been easy to see that more than one player would gain an advantage by voting him out, and also that there were limited opportunities to do it cleanly. For example, when PG and Erik are gone, it would be far too difficult for the others to vote him (and his 2 idols) out, because he couldn't carry the idols much further anyway. The idols obviously mean nothing if they don't get played, so even if you're in a majority alliance, the time to play them is some time between the start of the jury eliminations and F4. Before you can win, you have to put yourself in position to win. James should have known he was a jury vote threat to almost any of the other contestants because of his work ethic and challenge prowess, and because he got along well with almost everyone there. Just running the scenarios of others should have told him that it was one of the last chances they had to get rid of him, and therefore should have tipped him off to play one of the idols. The fact that he sort of felt a little suspicious is the icing on the cake. Dumb move. If you're going to take a risk at some point, play the idol and risk winning one of the remaining immunity challenges. Last Edited By: Mike36fan 12/05/07 2:57 PM. Edited 1 times.
KalineFan		#59	[-]
Posts: 6 (12/05/07 6:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So after watching 14+ seasons of survivor, some people think that the strongest, most athletic player, who had 2 IIs, and who worked hardest in camp, and who had very few enemies, and who is sympathetic choice for $1 million, wasn't dumb not to see a very possible blindside coming? That it wasn't obviously better to play the II and figure that either he would win 1 of the next 2 immunities or work it out some other way (for example, would they have tried to blindside him again after seeing he was on to them?) I mean, sure if it's Courtney with 2 IIs, maybe she has to gamble, but James was the obvious #1 backstab target without the IIs. Sure James prob didn't watch 14 seasons but even he knew he'd messed up. In his next day interview, he admits he had a bad day and wasn't sharp.
Quiddity		#60	[-]
Posts: 1455 (12/05/07 6:27 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Are the idols allowed to be played during the final 4? I think they were at one time but that was before the whole Final 3 thing. If it couldnt be played at the final 4 then I think it was sorta a dumb move. He had 2 chances to win an immunity Challenge. If I was James I would have taken the risk that I would at least win one challenge. But even James admitted that he rolled the dice too many times. If it worked, and he didnt play the idols and wsnt voted off, Everyone would be talking about how dumb all the other players were for not attemtping to take out James and letting him walk right into the finals. The idols expire at F5. They screwed up in Cook Islands with it, having a F3 but also having the idol usable at F4, meaning Yul had an automatic ticket to the F3. And with 2 idols in the game, they cannot have it expire at F4 for the simple reason that you could have 3 people immune at that TC and someone could be kicked out of the game without a vote.

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