mtj1282 wrote:
Now just so I understand your posts, specifically the china contestant post, you are basing your comments only on what we were shown, not how things actually were, correct?
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panurge love The read was really sweet.
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To identify the Roles that the Characters were playing, it's good to start with the Themes of the Season:
This was the question at the heart of the season and it was delivered by Alexis in her episode #1 confessional: "I think the Fans versus the Favorites stuff is the ultimate challenge. Because we have the favorites who obviously have played this game before so they're coming in here with the experience but at the same time you have us and we know their game, we know, not only their strengths but their weaknesses too." Such was our thematic premise.
Very early, the editing insisted on the problems
confronting the Fans. We saw their disastrous shelter building attempts, their problems making fire even with the flint. Mainly, we heard Mikey saying:
"I think the favorites are chuckling at us right now". Jason later adding: "I'm sure the other tribe is doing
really well, staying dry and probably laughing at us having to endure this wicked storm."
Starting with Mikey B's plan to split the votes, Joel's turning the tables only to fracture Airai and Cirie who "was all hell-bent on getting Yau Man out… which was a big mistake" according to James, we had a continuing storyline that playing too hard too soon wasn't a good idea. A confessional by Mikey explained what the editors thought was sound strategy: "Joel is playing a long game right now and he should be focusing on a short game."
Since everyone knew their game, it was implied from the start that a Favorite would have to improve in order to claim the title. What was only an impression at first became a theme during the merge Tribal Council. First, Alexis said that 3 main points define strength in this game, introducing the "Triple Threat" needed to win and then Eliza told us that: "People have come awfully close but lost because they went up against the best. Are you going to make the same mistake again?" The winner would have to be a "Triple Threat" player who would improve their game and avoid the fatal mistake.
In the game, Fairplay was used to set up the story. His talks with Parvati and Ozzy on one side and Jonathan, Eliza and Ami on the other, showed Malakal's division. He also told us that the fans were dumb and he prepared us for Yau Man's demise: "Yau Man's not nice. He sucks. Soon as that idol's gone, see you later, bucko."
Kathleen's reaction to Joel's decision showed the lack of impact that Mary had: "Where did Mary come from?" That point was reinforced when Malakal was informed of Mary's exit, Eliza frowning as if asking: "Mary?" Despite being eliminated by Joel, Mary wasn't edited as a "Victim". We never got to know her so we really didn't care for her fate. That was interesting because it meant the editors didn't want to sway the viewers in either Joel's or Mikey's camp at this early stage. For a moment, the viewer was left to choose his side from his own preferences.
He had a good first episode but most of it was due to finding the HII. Even making fire didn't get much ackowledgment from his tribemates and nothing from Jeff during the recap of the episode. Yau Man received more praise in Fiji for simply opening a box! This huge Fan-Favorite didn't even have an opportunity to give us his thoughts on his precarious position. When Cirie told Parvati and Amanda it had to be Yau Man, he was tending the fire, as if oblivious to the danger. There was only one possible reason for ignoring YM: The winner was in the alliance that voted him off.
Although Mikey came very close to being a Villain by antagonizing the older players, he soon became a sympathetic narrator in Airai: "Our tribe consists of 'Big Bird', the 'Southern Princess', we got the 'Incredible Hulk', we got 'Jon Bon Jovi in his prime' and then we got 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy'. Man! It's gonna be a crew, Ha! Ha! Let me tell you!" His calm reaction after Mary's elimination showed he wasn't the villain: "I can only assume the big guy, Joel, stuck a knife in my back. Already… Interesting." Mainly, Mikey became the victim when Jason interrupted Jeff during the fateful Tribal Council: "I need to emphasize the importance of tonight's vote in determining our future as a tribe. We have lost 4 out of 6 challenges so take a moment to think who we keep on the island." We saw that Mikey could have been a player but he was overmatched.
Even Joel's quest for fire was confrontational. "Let me do it…I don't care how much (flint) we have left…I've been trying to make fire. What have you done?" We heard other gems like: "I'd really like to see the look on his face when the baseball bats comes swinging and wakes him up to the reality that he doesn't have this tribe in his pocket," "If somebody comes and invades my home, I'm gonna kill 'em" and this hilarious exchange with Chet: "I hit my head", "I don't care", "I know"!! Joel was one of the biggest Bullies ever!
- Fighting Airai "If we continue doing what we're doing, we should be able to win. I figured that everybody's been out here 30, 33, 39 days, something like that, times 9 that's basically a year's worth of experience. We just feel confident that we can be in there and beat these guys at almost any challenge." Malakal's problem was over-confidence, yet Jonathan exhuded confidence. - Fighting within Malakal: "I think some of us would like to stay together and make this tribe as strong as possible but some of us are making moves already to eliminate people that they consider threats to them and take control of the game." It didn't make Cirie look that positive.
Giving us a big clue to the end game, Jonathan commented on the switch by saying: "We got the wrong beach but the better tribe, for sure." A final challenge win, white birds flying off and sad music set the stage for Jonathan's exit: "Bad luck on Johnny. I had this game too. I saw the daylight…" After hugging him, Kathy said: "I really hated to see him go. He was like a pillar of strength around camp. I'm upset to see him go, I only knew him for 3 days but what I knew, I loved him." Jonathan's final words showed his love of the game: "I don't want to be out of the game…I couldn't have fought any harder. It was fun while it lasted." Many viewers must have shed a tear at Jonathan's exit.
His poor performance in the episode #2 challenge put a target on Chet's back but he didn't even realize how his answers at TC aggravated everyone. He was continually in danger but he outlasted mainly because of the actions of others, not his own. Whenever we heard words like: "Chet is weak… He's horrible for morale around camp" the camera proved the speaker right. Chet was presented as a wimp, not a Survivor.
We got to know Kathy early on, we even got to share her feelings. "These are the people I've watched on TV so there's that certain awe about them…" She was associated with positive characters, Cirie, Yau Man and Jonathan. As with almost every Fan, she had her dumb moments, this quote being a perfect example: "I'm sure I got off on the wrong foot. I'm sure it pays to keep your mouth shut but I just can't help myself."
As a victim, Kathleen had a positive spin to her exit, something rarely seen when quitting.
Her initial confessional linked her with the Fans and their problems: "I'm a fan, so coming to survivor and starting a game on the beach…Jeff, seeing him there, it was surreal" but her confessional after building the small lean-to shelter showed she had ressources: "They came over and asked us to help them build a new shelter. I think I've earned a little bit of respect from them."
With that and by outlasting both Mikey and Joel, Tracy earned our respect.
Ami was often on the periphery of the action but never quite dictating it. She told us about Fairplay: "Fairplay is a loose canon… I'm a little worried…" Later, we saw her looking on as the couples alliance considered their options after Cirie told them she wanted Yau Man out. Ami even became the moral compass for the fans when, after the switch, she told us: "It's starting to kinda get to me, the fan bashing. Yeah! They seem slow and they're not doing anything but, you know what, they are coming around and we were once there too." She attempted to form an alliance when she told Tracy and Erik that she was giving them her trust, asking them to take care of her because she was really sticking her neck out. In another example of "too much scheming", all of Ami's big plans to blindside Ozzy fell apart. Micronesia gave us a softer image of Ami, the editors apparently repaying an old debt. Victim of her own scheming but mainly victim of circumstances, Ami's exit was a much sadder occasion than when she was voted out in Vanuatu.
Eliza returned to her Vanuatu story when Ozzy said: "We are weary a little of Eliza, just hearing about the way she played the game in Vanuatu. She's shifty, crafty. Some of us feel that we can't really trust her."
In the second episode that's all we heard from her: "I kept thinking that something's gonna change, something's gonna come up, something terrible and I was gonna be the one that ended up going home first."
The merge changed all that. It gave us back the Eliza we know but it cost her the game.
Ozzy showed he had learned a little from his first stint when we saw him bring most of the tribe out on his fishing expeditions, leaving Yau Man alone in camp. After a few episodes, Ozzy became the man in charge, the way a Hero is supposed to be. The problem with Ozzy's portrayal, as with many heroes in this series, is that we saw he was unaware of the dangers lurking around him. Early on, he'd tell us he had to be careful about his relationship with Amanda, only to be seen hanging out with her, others always observing. When Ami started talking with Tracy, the camera showed us Ozzy with his guard down, playing the "chicken farmer". He only considered the other physical players as threats, neglecting the danger the women presented: "There's a lot of guys out there that want to beat me. It's really key that I find the idol." This Hero was an easy target to blindside, a "dramatic" end to his story.
We first heard Jason's good intentions: "One of my life's dream has been to come out and try to survive in the wild, so this is really incredible for me… We want to kick the favorites' ass." Surviving in the wild wasn't the same as playing Survivor: "The second the crazy lady found the immunity idol, I think everyone was a little worried because we all felt as a consensus that she was going to be the first one to go." Being worried so soon over so little wasn't a good sign. And then Jason's story fell apart when we heard him say: "Tonight is night number one and we took too long to find a location to build our shelter. It didn't come along as planned." On night one, his dream had already turned to nightmare!
The Kooky theme music accompanied his quest for the idol, telling us he'd fall for the Stick! Who do you supposed was heard saying he liked the name Dabu right after Erik explained it was a joke? Long before he fell for the Black Widow Brigade's deception, we knew Jason was a Dumb Player.
Very early, he showed he knew something about playing the game when he said this about Cirie's schemes: "Cirie is killing me. You can't be the boss of everybody but everybody is letting her go. She went from the swing vote to the one who's deciding what's going on for the whole group. That can't happen."
- "Where are you going with this?" asked James - "I couldn't win against Ozzy. I would be a fool to have kept him in the game." - "What his your plan? Who are you taking with you? I'm just curious" - "To 3? Girls" answered Parvati, shrugging her shoulders. - "Yeah! I figured that" said a disappointed James. - "I wanted to say sorry because I couldn't tell you." - "No. Sorry is not what you mean. Ha! Ha! is what you mean." - "I wanted to talk to you because I like you and I didn't want it to be ackward." - "Oh! It's gonna be ackward" replied the big guy in complete candor.
After the switch we had: "I'm amazed that they are still alive, poor things! They should be dead! I mean, they're a bunch of dingbats!" And after the merge: "How often do you get a chance to eat a bat. It's one of the things you have to try. It was good. It's like a juicy rabbit. In fact, I'm probably gonna eat another one." James was fun to watch.
A tourist that, at least was put to work as narrator. With brief comments, she set up the themes of the season and the story of many episodes. At the merge, she was Jeff's news correspondent, the player he chose twice to tell him about the events in camp. She first told Jeff of the new name and that it was awesomne and fit perfectly. Later, at Tribal, she was the one giving the assessment of the players: "I think there are 3 main points that define strength in this game. Are they a stronger social player… physical player… mental player?" After her initial confessional set up the season's theme, the one she had in episode #2 confirmed the second: "It's day 4 and we're in a bad place right now: We need to fix our shelter. We haven't had any water. Everyone is tired, everyone is hungry."
A cynic would say Alexis did something to irritate the editors who responded by cutting her airtime.
As the biggest fan, Erik received plenty of scenes that showed him as a "Dumb Player": In episode #2, he was a follower to Joel and his "Diabolical Idea". We saw unnecessary conflicts with the Favorites like throwing sand in player's face and flipping Amanda on her "friggin' head" during early challenges. It wasn't really smart in this social game.
As far as Journeys go, Erik had a bumpy ride!
Like a tourist who suffers in silence when the room wasn't satisfactory and the food terrible, Natalie kept mostly quiet. Her first confessional hinted at what was to come: "You always need to be doing what you need to do to maintain your position. All I've done since I've been here is keep my head down and work…I don't feel that Chet wants to help out and carry his weight. Honestly dude, either pick it up or go home." At the merge, her comment: "Off to the races, miladies" set the stage for an all-female F4 and the start of her own game.
This was one of the weirdest story lines in the series history.
She had played the role of someone on a "Journey to Make her Family Proud" during Exile Island. That meant Cirie had to be seen in danger, her early bonds with Danielle and Aras hidden. In that vein, Cirie's early strategic game was neglected, cut from the final edit. Her treatment in Micronesia's first episode was very similar; we didn't know where Cirie stood: "We're going to tribal council and I do not have a plan at all. I'll get rid of anybody as long as it's not me." Fortunately that was only so the suspense of Malakal's division could remain intact until the next vote.
- "What's getting on my nerves is that, not only do you have to play the game, you have to teach them the game too. I don't want to teach." - "It's gonna be a little hard getting used to seeing these new folks coming in and grabbing stuff. It's like people coming into your own house and picking up the remote and turning the channel." Add this one which, even if it had end-game implications, was cruel: "Alexis takes a tumble in the dark, James has his finger infected. I know this is bad because I am a nurse but that's 2 less people I have to fight against for a million dollars."
Cirie proved she was a smart strategist, one of the best manipulators ever.
Like in many adventure stories, Amanda wasn't a big presence at first, relegated to playing the Hero's girlfriend. When she said: "It's so funny that you're here because you were one of my favorite players" it told us that Amanda was another Fan with Experience. Her claim of "Game On", after her beau's execution, was used as misdirection. With her late game actions and her loyalty to her alliance, the editors knew that their "Sweetheart" would be favored by a large segment of the audience. In the end, Amanda had one weakness and she couldn't fix it.
Emotions weren't going to interfere with her game. The following confessional proved the point: "I might just go ahead and pull in Alexis and Natalie and taking them with me and Amanda to the 4. Everyone one else… they're dead to me."
Although comparable, Parvati's confessional had long range implications that Yau Man's lacked: "The only reason to come back is for the million dollars. That's the only reason I'm gonna put up with a lot of suffering and bugs and smelly people."
Before leaving, Kathy said: "Never, in a million years, would I do this, twice. This is the stupidest thing I've ever done in my life…" Right then, Parvati was seen chatting in the cave, not looking at all as if she felt stupid for doing it twice.
She was also often shown to be aware of the dangers lurking: "I don't want Eliza turning around and trying to snake me" she said in episode #1. Before the merge: "I'm in such a hot pickle right now. I've made an alliance with my original tribe of Ozzy, James, Cirie and Amanda and the second alliance I got myself into is me, Alexis, Natalie and Amanda. So, I feel I have the numbers on my side, no matter what but I'm gonna have a decision to make down the road." This confirmed that she had the end-game in sight. It was Parvati's role to Stir the Pot.
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Good work but I'm not reading all that
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Disagree on Jason, James, Ozzy, and Amanda.
Jason was more of an underdog who people learned to appreciate and somehow root for even though he started the season off as an arrogant jerk. He became sympathetic like Erik in the episode where Parvati called him a loser. Yeah he was a dumb player, but it wasn't 100% the storyline he got. James was a tourist for most of the season and really didn't say or do anything until the immunity challenge during Ozzy's boot where it became more of a tribute, but like Natalie, it was too late to change the entire edit (even htough they both became much more likable to me) Ozzy to me was more of a villian than a hero as his inner douche came out and was completely arrogant in the way he treated other people and how he deserved to be here. Obviously alot of casual fans thought differently (and obviously my opinion on Amanda would be different as I thought she was more of a dumb player by completely latching onto whoever she could) Ami started out as more of a player (no idea how to classify it) with her plans to join the fans and blindside the favorites, her vote for Cirie, and thinking for herself to better her position. It was all for naught, but they were shown at least. She only became the victim in her boot episode where the @!#%% came out and all that shit. The rest was well written. |
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Thailandsurvivor wrote:
Sure, there was some negativity in his story and it was never more evident than with this quote: - Tracy: "Ozzy tells you what to do, what to eat. Ozzy is the kingpin... Ozzy is gonna win this thing if we don't get him out of this game." But that quote was probably heard to underline Ozzy's precarious position. Most Heroes have suffered crushing defeats in Survivor, their fans bitterly disappointed at their fall. The audience had heard Parvati and Amanda plot his fall with Cirie. Tracy had successfully eliminated Mikey and Joel. Could she do the same to Ozzy? I think the intent was to have most viewers hoping to see Ozzy save himself from the threats but being prepared to see him fail. I suppose that many viewers could see Jason as an underdog but I don't see what the editors did to reinforce that view. If Jason was an underdog wouldn't that mean Tracy was a villain for plotting his demise? Remember after the Mikey boot, Tracy and Chet were rejoicing and designating Jason as the next to go. Tracy wasn't a villain. Survivor editors know how to create underdogs and I don't think ignoring them when they are sent to Exile Island is one of their tricks. Especially since we've since heard that Jason and Tracy came to terms on a plot to take over the game. It would have increased Jason's underdog status to show that scene only to have Tracy booted immediately after. In the same vein, we now know that Erik rejected an offer from Jason to vote together at merge. If the intent was to show Jason as an underdog, why not show another hurdle he had to face? Anyway, this isn't a quote from an underdog: - Jason: "Today… I was able to win. In fact, I think I actually dominated the whole challenge. When I came up and saw the look of failure on Ozzy's face, it was pretty delightful. Being able to dominate Ozzy and hopefully being able to send him home later tonight will be one of the highlights of the game for me."
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I meant during the merge episode for Jason is when he turned into the underdog even though he was still a dumb player in a sense. They were reinforcing it by how he had no friends and how he had to win immunity that sort of things. The rest I can understand even though I don't agree 100%. |
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Very good Panurge, I enjoy reading your analysis. Got me thinking.
Ozzy wasn't hero or villian, he was "The Player to Beat." Beating Ozzy was one of the major themes of the season. Jason was all about beating Ozzy. He could have been edited as a villian or jerk like Joel (he was widely hated), but he won a certain respect battling Ozzy. His tribe won 4 straight ICs, he beat Ozzy in a water IC, he outlasted Ozzy, he even voted for Parv because she got Ozzy out. Cirie and Parv competed with Ozzy on the stategic rather than the physical plain. Cirie made Ozzy vote off the person she wanted in ep,3, she was pissed at Ozzy for taking her out in the boat, and she was stalking the Ozzy\Erik relationship. Parv's big game-winning move was booting Ozzy. She endured his glares and bitterness, but ulimately every juror who voted to boot Ozzy voted for her to win. The F2 was Ozzy's betrayer vs Ozzy's girlfried, and Parv dealt Ozzy his final defeat (which meant they couldn't edit Ozzy as a straight hero and Amanda as his surrogate avenger). Ozzy's heroic superman edit peaked in ep.4 when he found the idol, starred in a challenge, and was praised by the fans. After that he never won another IC and he got touches of negativity, culminating in an N boot episode. He crowed about breaking his promise to Jason but got betrayed himself. Finally, I don't think "scheming too much is bad" was a major theme. Postmerge is was female brains overcoming male brawn. The women even successfully executed a verson of Plan Voodoo against Jason. |
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craig wrote: I liked this. And I never realized that those who voted out Ozzy voted for Parvati to win until I have read your post. |
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craig wrote: Thank you, Craig. I appreciate your comments. First, regarding the scheming theme, you missed a couple of key words: Too Much Scheming TOO SOON is bad! There were always references to the bad timing of the schemes that were said to be "Stupid Ideas": Mikey: - "The big guy back-stabbed me ALREADY." - "He is playing a LONG GAME..." - "My goal is to pretend I'm Joel's ally and vote Chet out. I'll keep Joel around for as long as I can until right before the merge and then cut his head off." Tracy: "What about you wanting to vote Mike out" Joel: "That'll happen; it just can't happen right now. We need his strength right now to win challenges." With Jason's plea at Tribal, his confessional at the beginning of episode #5 and the funeral music that accompanied it, the editing intent was to show that Mikey's boot was done too soon, the fans killing their game by keeping Chet. Even James was more concerned with the boot order: "We kept one of the weakest girls, Eliza... Cirie was all hell-bent on getting Yau Man out... a big mistake." The story read as if Ami would have made the merge and would have outlasted Ozzy if she had not schemed with the fans. Now, Parvati's talk with Natalie, where she said she was playing the game in stages, was crucial. The editors were telling us that she wasn't making the mistake of scheming too soon, that the big guys would become targets soon enough. Ozzy's blindside was done with great timing, Cirie telling us it was the perfect opportunity and, afterwards, James and Erik said it was a good move. As far as Ozzy's edit, I see a contradiction in the two sentences I copied. Even with Ozzy's story starting to unravel after the 4th episode, the "Hero" edit is like candy the editors give their viewers. Casual viewers love their Heroes and they may sense danger looming but they will not turn on them for so little. Since the eventual winner was going to play a key role in his downfall, the editors had to show chinks in Ozzy's armor, preparing his fans for the fall but that doesn't change his role. |
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