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Posts: 3743 (12/18/07 12:28 AM) Registered user |
Ok so we are, I guess, going to have a F3 from now on....so what happens when the voted go 1-3-3 or 1-4-4?
The title of the show is SURVIVOR not SURVIVORS....and it also says 1 SURVIVOR in the opening...so has it been discussed what happens in this case? Cuz it almost happened this year. |
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Posts: 6627 (12/18/07 1:50 AM) Registered User |
JerseyJerk wrote:
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Posts: 5150 (12/18/07 1:57 AM) Registered user |
 @ Randall
The tie would be handled at the final TC. They'd reveal the tie, eliminate the 3rd place contestant and have a revote in a 4-4-1 or 3-3-1 tie. I believe the 3/3/3 tie would've had a firestarting tiebreaker to eliminate someone. |
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Posts: 2468 (12/18/07 2:39 AM) Registered User |
The fact that the winner of the million dollars would result from a fire challenge is just pathetic. I am assuming the revote would happen out when they are
taping the show rather than the live reveal?
FUCK the final 3. Mark Burnett has really fucked this show up. |
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Posts: 5151 (12/18/07 3:04 AM) Registered user |
7neves7 wrote: With the rollback to only 7 Jury members, its no longer possible for a 3/3/3 tie to occur. I personally hate the firebreaker challenge as an F4 tiebreaker.
Have the person who loses the F4 endurance challenge first lose their right to vote, making a tie impossible.
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Posts: 4148 (12/19/07 6:41 PM) Registered User |
Kirblar wrote: Not if there's a 3 way tie. |
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Posts: 3146 (12/19/07 7:02 PM) Registered user |
Survivor Boy wrote:It's impossible to have a 3-way tie at the F4. |
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Posts: 7848 (12/19/07 8:16 PM) Registered User |
Not if there was only 3 people voting. Try to keep up.
Kirblar, I've seen you post that revote explanation a couple times, and I was just curious where you got it from? |
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Posts: 3147 (12/19/07 8:33 PM) Registered user |
cindidindi76 wrote:But the 3 voters scenario occurs in the case of a tie in the first place, which would have to be a 2-2 tie at the F4. And in a re-vote, you have to vote for one of the main vote-geters, which means that taking away one voter ensures a 2-1 vote, and cannot possibly lead to a 1-1-1 vote. |
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Posts: 7852 (12/19/07 8:45 PM) Registered User |
Not when it was all a response to this post:
Have the person who loses the F4 endurance challenge first lose their right to vote, making a tie impossible. |
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Posts: 3150 (12/19/07 8:50 PM) Registered user |
cindidindi76 wrote:I believe he meant that should be the tiebreaker, rather than a fire-building challenge. |
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Posts: 5433 (12/19/07 8:51 PM) Registered User |
Three way tie is easy to break.....you just have the 9 jurors revote but they can't vote for the person they already did. Like ranked choice voting....no
clear majority so it goes to everyone's second choice. Two way tie simply leads to the third person voting one of the two as the winner.
Btw, next season has twenty contestants, so I'd expect a jury of 9 beginning with 12th place. |
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JerseyJerk |
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Posts: 3744 (12/20/07 12:55 AM) Registered user |
I figure that whoever is in third (In a 7 person jury) like Amanda this time, gets the final decision.
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Kirblar |
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Posts: 5171 (12/20/07 5:28 AM) Registered user |
I don't remember where I originally read the F3 tiebreaker, I believe it was back with Cook Islands. It could possibly not be fire-making (I doubt it), but
there was a challenge available in case a 3/3/3 tie emerged. (With the expectation that they'd never really have to use it.) The game will be finished
before they ever leave the filming location, and would end with a vote.
The 4-4-1/3-3-1 is more just common sense. Every other tie in the game is handled that way, and they'd do the same for a final vote. They'd just have to vote twice. There's absolutely no way that they'd let the 3rd place finisher decide the game. A tie is fine, but they don't want to be doing endless revoting, or "voting for second place" It's gotta be clean, simple, and easy to explain for the viewers. I knew Todd had won (and freaked the fuck out) when I saw the 3rd vote for him, as a 3-3-1 tie would have been resolved before they left China. I think they'd secretly love to have a 3-2-2 win, for the insane suspense caused by the final ballot. Hopefully we see a 7-member jury again next season, even with the 20-person cast. The real reason for the expansion to 9 people was the race casting. The nightmare scenario was 4/7 jurors being one race and 1 of the F3 being the same race and receiving all of their votes to win. Hence the expansion to a 9 person Jury, making it near-impossible to win without getting at least one vote from someone of a differnt race. Not if there's a 3 way tie. If the contestants were dumb enough to let that happen, you'd just give the 4th contestant their vote back and decide since the others weren't able to come to a majority decision. (It's one of those situations that would likely never occur, like the 3/3/3 split.
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Posts: 7863 (12/20/07 3:12 PM) Registered User |
I think they'd secretly love to have a 3-2-2 win, for the insane suspense caused by the final ballot. That was exactly what I thought was happening when I saw the 2nd Courtney vote. Even after Amanda's sucky FTC performance, I thought she'd get more than one vote. |
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Posts: 29 (12/26/07 2:03 PM) |
Since nobody seems to know, not even the cast, I think it would be great for a bitter Jury at the final TC to go "Alright, let's a force a tie between
these bitches... See what happens..."
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Posts: 3749 (12/27/07 12:31 AM) Registered user |
There's absolutely no way that they'd let the 3rd place finisher decide the game.I could honestly see this happening though Name one way to simplfy a 2 way tie that would be A. Easier to explain to the viewers B. More interesting. "So we have 3 votes Todd, 2 votes Courtney, and 1 vote Amanda, I'll read the last vote;.....Courtney" --Crowd goes crazy with tremoundous cheers and boos and everyone realizes there are apart of tv history for better or worse in that audience, and that stage-- Jeff waits for the crowd to quiet down and say that implimented way before the game began it was already decieded that if this happens then the 3rd place finisher gets to vote as a juror. Crowd again goes wild as the camera focus' on Amanda as she starts clapping her hands and laughing. She then is told to stand up and vote for Court and everyones happy ;) With 3 people I can see them then simply saying "We have 3 winners for once" or something gay and corney like that...theres not clean way to fix it. The Jury voted, the games over, Jeff had already said at the beginning of each FIC that "This is your last challenge"...we would just have to except it. Prio votes is unfair, a fire challenge is bullshit, maaaayyybbbbeeee Triva about their season or something might be exceptable but with an audience there there might be too much "They were told answers" bs. |
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Posts: 5240 (12/27/07 2:36 AM) Registered user |
2 votes. One revealed in China old-school style, revealing the tie. The third place finisher snuffed, given final words, then the Jury sent back to vote
among the new final 2.
Otherwise you end up giving the game-deciding vote to a Becky, and having the same exact issue crop up that the F3 was implemented to fix. |
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Posts: 489 (12/27/07 9:21 AM) Registered user |
Kirb, that doesn't work with a 3/3/3. : <
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Posts: 5245 (12/27/07 12:16 PM) Registered user |
3/3/3 doesn't exist anymore, as the only reason the 9-person Juries were in place was preventing a race-line final vote.
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Posts: 552 (12/30/07 2:53 PM) Registered User |
I agree with this. If there is a tie, the 3rd placer gets voted out and the jury (without the 3rd placer) revote on the final 2.
GREAT TV. Let's say China: Todd- 3 votes, Courtney- 3 votes, Amanda- 1 vote. Amanda is out and NOT part of the jury. She does NOT get to vote. The 7 jury members revote for either Courtney or Todd. (Most likely the person who voted for Amanda will decide the winner!) Best way to work it out I think.
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