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JaMalle |
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I'm not going to get into the Candice argument again. Simply put as someone said it, Candice was in the utmost best position to win, especially against the
Raro Kids.
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Kirblar |
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Candice would pick up Jon, Yul, Sundra, and Becky's votes at the end, for sure, and I doubt Parvati or Adam could run the table against her.
There's not really a glass ceiling. There's just been terrible, terrible casting in many recent seasons. Until China, it really seemed like they were trying to recapture Palau over and over again with the ridiculous casting and male-slanted twists in S12-S14. Hopefully they've learned their lesson going forward. We don't want the same story season after season. Todd was a guy, but he was completely different from the past 4 male winners. |
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Riliss |
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I believe the correct name is the Rarotards.
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027huds |
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1. Mainly physical immunity challenges - This combined with the fact that there were one / two dominant males in the
recent seasons meant that the immunities were one mainly by one or two people (the alpha males). This has been changed in China, with basically no physical
idividual immunities, balancing the scales.
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Its A Flavin |
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I think the best argument that the final 3 reduces the chance of a woman winning the game is that in previous seasons when a woman has been up against a man in
the final tribal council a woman has only won three out of eleven times. That's excluding Marquesas, Thailand, Pearl Islands and Guatemala. That seems like
a pretty significant number to me. Combined with the late merge, the more physical challenges, and the smaller number of post-merge boots I'd say having an
additional contestant facing the jury makes it considerably more difficult for only women to be facing the jury, which is how we got half of our female
winners.
The factors that lead to juries favoring men over women... who knows. I think if you look at the raw numbers of final tribal councils where there was at least one man and one woman the men received the male finalists received roughly twice the number of raw votes in total as compared to the women. |
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Mind The Gap1 |
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They need more players like Kathy O'brien, Tammy Leitner and Helen Glover and less people like Jan Gentry, Parvarti, Becky, Amber.
The women they cast now are just barbies with no athleticism, competitiveness or gamesmarts. They just sit there and look pretty. There are no more older women that play the game like Helen or Kathy. Now we have Margaret ( Guatemala) who sits and pouts when a twist is thrown her way. (even nice-guy rafe said she was being awful), or how about Denise Martin, who was a hypocrite and just stupid, knowing she was toast but not doing anything to save herself, then getting pissed when the obvious happened. so the women are either young barbies or old bitter hags |
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van slyker |
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But haven't the women outnumbered the men so many more times too? I remember so many final 8's that had 5 women to only 3 men, compared to I think 2
seasons it was 5 men 3 women. We had Guatemala, China and Vanuatu where the women outnumbered 4-1, or 6-1. Pearl Islands was 5-2 at one point. There is only
one season where the men severely outnumbered the women post merge and that was Fiji. For every other season it went one gender is up by 1 or they're even
every round post merge. We've seen three female/female final 2's to only 1 male/male final 2 in the first 12 seasons. So my point is the women are
better overall at making it far.
AND people always say how the women are bigger targets premerge. I'd say Not that's not entirely true. With the exception of Exile Island and Fiji, the premerge boots are almost even for all other seasons. There may be like 3 out of the first 4 boots are women but then that's followed by a few men booted still premerge. Then to counter act that, we've seen more seasons where there is larger string of male boots around the merge...Palau, Guatemala, China, Vanuatu (although it was tribal lines as well), and Pearl Islands all had atleast 4 men booted in a row around the merge. Only twice have the women been anihilated premerge (EI and Fiji). They cast more weak men to be booted Early than they cast strong women to go early at the merge. We've seen more men booted episodes 1 and 2 than we've seen women booted first and second at the merge. Jenny, Shii Ann, Jerry and Michelle are all women who've gotten 10th place, but only 2/15 times has a woman been booted first at the merge...shouldn't there be only 2/15 men booted the first episode then? No, my point is that people always assume men are targetted post merge equally to women targetted premerge, which isn't true. That's how the women have outnumbered more times. Done rambling. |
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TheEasyOne |
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In the Amazon, 4 women went pre-merge and there were 6 men at the merge.
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agentpf1101 |
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I think the more important question here is why cant Shemales win?
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Riliss |
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"It's harder than it looks!" |
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agentpf1101 |
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Riliss wrote: ha...but seriosly Id tottaly hit that
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cindidindi76 |
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Her left boob is so misshapen.
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craig |
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I think they've consciously planned the last two seasons to give women a decent shot.
S15 - 16 players, a switch which hirt the game of the strongest, and a more female-friendly mix of indidivual ICs all contributed to giving us an endgame with 4 women and 1 non-challenge winning gay guy. The season they've done well casting women who are good social\stategic players, athletic enough not to be easy boots, with a track record of getting along with other women (no Twila or Lisi) Meanwhile all the male players have serious weaknesses in their game, whether physical or social. And Truckwaffle was the perfect casting choice to run the Fans tribe into the ground. Guys like Aras, Yul, and Earl seem cast to be the perfect young male or ethnic male winner. But they've stayed away from those perfect types this season. Lesson - if the men start dominating too much, cast women more for gameplay and athleticism, and men more to be entertaining trainwrecks. |
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Xnij |
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I would like to see women on Survivor finally stick together and make this happen.
They just don't seem to trust one another. |
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GnarlsInCharge |
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JaMalle wrote: Cassie was really f*ed over even with 2 loyal goats (Dreamz/Stacey) because she had the almost impossible scenario of trying to play around 2 HII's a
that she or her goats never had a shot to get. Even then if not for Staceys big mouth at the F6 Tribal council she is set up perfectly to execute that so long
as Boo doesn't win F5 immunity .
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04/13/08 12:48 AM.
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craig |
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If Cassie was more ruthless and less race-loyal she would have targeted Earl at F6.
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GnarlsInCharge |
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craig wrote: Had she targeted Earl instead of Yau Man that round she still would be in the same situation with Staceys big mouth ruining the blindside. |
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Kitty Pryde1 |
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That would've taken both idols out of play, though. Yau's would've been played and Earl's would've simply been unused.
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craig |
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Call it the Survivor "Glass Ceiling." Congrats Parv for breaking the Glass Ceiling. The mastermind beat the "good girl." |
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sunflower101 |
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craig wrote: I think that both Parvati/Amanda played good games. My only problem with a couple of the jurors. Amanda did not backstab Alexis/Erik they tried to vote her out. That doesn't mean I don't fault Alexis for thinking that Parvati played a better game. If Erik had gotten to the end by winning the last few immunity challenges everyone would say that Erik had played a great game out lasting the women. A women gets to the end the end partly that way and some how she has played a bad game. |
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