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This is a thread about how Edgic is spoiled - SPOILERS IN THREAD

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chaperone	This is a thread about how Edgic is spoiled - *SPOILERS IN THREAD*	Lead	[-]
Posts: 2357 (02/18/08 02:12 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Do not click here, if you like ads Remove this ad I'm throwing down the gauntlet to all you "edgic is spoiled" people. It's wholly inappropriate to discuss spoilers in edgic, so to all of you who drive by saying "you're all spoiled neener neener neener", this is your place to actually prove it. Name names, name spoilers (with Sunsawed's permission since this is Spec), but be specific because I am not buying the general "you're spoiled [whaaaaa]" posts. I'll start with a very specific counter argument...and Sunsawed if this is inappropriate, I'll edit it out...but I'm going to warn that it includes a spoiler. Is this OK Sunsawed, since the topic is essentially "how spoiled is this forum?" Assuming we warn on spoilers and also quote the warnings when quoting other people? * * * * * * * * * * * SPOILER WARNING * * * * * * * * * * * (highlight the red to read specifics that include spoiler) I (wish I hadn't) read a pre-season spoiler that Natalie lost a lot of weight. Meaning, she probably makes it relatively far into the game. I could only imagine that if she was out before day 33 she'd have gained most of it back in a week and a half of loser lodge eating, or if it was after day 33 that she was booted, she'd probably bare a lot of the markings of someone who did well physically speaking. Now, in light of that, how many people have voted for Natalie to be a winner? None. How many people have voted to eliminate Natalie as a possible winner? 92%. So...how is edgic spoiled? Prove it. * * * * * * * * * * * * * END SPOILER Last Edited By: Trixiego 02/18/08 04:23 PM. Edited 1 time.
chapera rocks		#1	[-]
Posts: 8521 (02/18/08 10:35 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	IMO... --- Spoiler--- The fact that there is a weight loss spoiler for that particular person to go far and they've been eliminated by edgic doesn't mean that edgic isn't spoiled (not saying it is one way or another) because it could just mean that the person makes it far but doesn't win. Given their edit, I think that much is obvious. ---End Spoiler---
Riliss		#2	[-]
Posts: 3298 (02/18/08 10:43 PM) Ugly on the inside Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yeah, the edit is hard to deny.
chaperone		#3	[-]
Posts: 2359 (02/19/08 12:20 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'm going to bow out of reading the spoilers in this thread because I don't want to be spoiled...but I will read non spoiled parts, so if you can present your arguments about specific posters in edgic who are spoiled, I'm all ears.
A Bartholomew		#4	[-]
Posts: 3700 (02/27/08 06:23 PM) Patriots:Worst 11-5 team EVER Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Probably the people who say a certain castaway's edit has changed for the better, or is much better tended to this time than last time. Or that they are a better strategist, when in fact this certain castaway is just doing the same thing as before.
chaperone		#5	[-]
Posts: 2377 (02/28/08 02:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Again I challenge: Tell me A Barth, which edgic posters are spoiled? Based on your clear analysis of who's affected by spoilers and posting bogus stuff.
A Bartholomew		#6	[-]
Posts: 3702 (02/28/08 08:47 PM) Patriots:Worst 11-5 team EVER Reply Quote More Recent Posts	People who supported Amanda last season and Parvati this season. Last Edited By: A Bartholomew 02/28/08 08:49 PM. Edited 1 times.
chaperone		#7	[-]
Posts: 2379 (02/29/08 01:39 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	That's not a case. You don't have a case. And warn that you're posting spoilers because I've been a Parvati supporter all along and haven't heard a thing about her being spoiled. Thanks, maybe you didn't notice that we're still warning people when we post spoiled information and posting it in colors so you have to highlight to read it. Think before you post spoilers. I supported Amanda all season last year BEFORE I was spoiled. The only spoiler I knew in week 1 was the one I posted above and I edgically picked Parv though I never posted it because of my knowledge of above spoilers. Make a case...name names. I can name names of supporters of Amanda and Parvati who I know are anti-spoilers...what can you provide? No-thing.
A Bartholomew		#8	[-]
Posts: 3705 (02/29/08 12:33 PM) Patriots:Worst 11-5 team EVER Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Find the names yourself if you're so concerned. Just find the big Amanda supporters last season and Parvati ones this season. Not people who supported one or the other, BOTH. Make a case...name names. I can name names of supporters of Amanda and Parvati who I know are anti-spoilers...what can you provide? No-thing. Where's your proof of these people you "know" are anti-spoilers? Did you go on their computer and check their history? Look, I'm sure some people in the thread don't use them, but you've got your head up your ass if you think everybody is legit. Just admit that some of them look at spoilers and claim not to.
chaperone		#9	[-]
Posts: 2381 (02/29/08 03:53 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	A Bartholomew wrote: Find the names yourself if you're so concerned. Just find the big Amanda supporters last season and Parvati ones this season. Not people who supported one or the other, BOTH. Make a case...name names. I can name names of supporters of Amanda and Parvati who I know are anti-spoilers...what can you provide? No-thing. Where's your proof of these people you "know" are anti-spoilers? Did you go on their computer and check their history? First of all, I have data compiled for the last 5 seasons of edgic, every edgic vote is at my disposal. Your argument can be summarised by: 1. Edgic picked the same person last season as spoilers, and both were wrong. (Fact: Edgic didn't pick Amanda, though many did.) 2. Edgic has picked someone this season that allegedly (I wouldn't know) is spoiled (to win? to do well? again, I don't know) 3. Therefore, edgic is spoiled. My logic is: 1. This season, the spoiler I spoke of above about a player doing well has resulted in 0% of the edgic community picking that player as a winner. 2. People actively involved in an anti-spoiler witch-hunt have picked the person you claim is spoiled (to do well? to win?). (One might buy your theory that all people must be exactly like you and not be trustworthy, but the world would be a sick place if we all just assumed the worst. People rarely tend to give people more credit than they would give themselves.) 3. Until you posted on 02/28/08 6:47 PM someon who is allegedly spoiled, I had no knowledge of that player doing well. In spite of that, I've edgically seen that person as the mot viable edgic winner edit since episode 1. Look, I'm sure some people in the thread don't use them, but you've got your head up your ass if you think everybody is legit. Just admit that some of them look at spoilers and claim not to. And all I'm asking you to do is put together a coherent and logical argument, which is NOT: "edgic is picking the same person as spoilers therefore it must be spoiled" so I'll throw the word "ass" in to make myself feel better when insulting this person who wants logical proof. Correlation doesn't always prove causation...take a statistics class and explain the correlation between ice cream consumed at the beach and shark attacks on the same day. They may correlate, but their relationship is not causative. Show me someone who's posting in spoilers who's influencing edgic? I'm aware of a few (and many such as myself skip their posts). JediJake, Astro, Craig, ProbstFan, Oowatanite to name a few. Several spoiled people (such as myself) do ratings but don't post on winner spec because of spoiler information. But much of the edgic crew skips over posts by those people and are actively trying to get a couple of them banned for posting spoilers. But since I read edgic and have had no knowledge of a Parvati spoiler until YOUR post in THIS thread, I can therefore deduce that your alleged secretly spoiled edgicers are much better at not posting spoilers than you are.
chapera rocks		#10	[-]
Posts: 8564 (02/29/08 04:30 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Do not click here, if you like ads Remove this ad <3 Astro, but didn't he/she say she wouldn't post winner picks after being spoiled, but I saw him/her post them last week. Just asking.
chaperone		#11	[-]
Posts: 2383 (02/29/08 04:34 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I'll even help you out...here's a list of Parvati supporters. Show me their posts in threads about spoilers. And I'll show your their oaths they've taken against spoilers, the entire message boards systems that Pulau Tiga started to try to get completely away from spoilers and so forth. unduli SFC astro (has taken some heat for spoiler participation but was always fully confessing to having been spoiled through Mary's boot AND that he saw spoiler in thread I complained about in spec last week...why would he lie about it sometimes and not other times?) Jamalle (anti-spoiler oath taken 1/26/08, quote from 2/16/08: "kinda pissed off... Can we not talk about spoilers? please?") guatemala fanfic warrior (hates spoilers, anti-spoiler oath taken 1/26/08) MasterDarkNinja (affirmed on 1/31 that he hasn't read spoilers since Palau) Apollo Italiano Pulau Tiga (anti-spoiler oath taken 1/26, started a whole private forum for edgic because he/she hates spoilers so much) Island Sun (anti-spoiler oath taken 1/30/08) Fat Little Fingers (hates spoilers) Zesty66 Francois40 (hates spoilers, doesn't even like to analyze the "next week on" segments for things like the tribal swap) Here's a post from ProbstFan (2/8/08) which, if it's true, certainly deflates your case that our 53% winner pick from episode 1 can't be from spoilers: I wouldn't worry too much about it. There are no winner spoilers and no final 3 spoilers at all. And there are a lot of spoilers that are contradicting each other. i.e. "________ goes early" and another spoiler says that same person makes it far. Basically, it's the least spoiled season in a long time. No one has any idea who wins, or even who makes it to the final 3. That said, of course I won't be making any predictions or ratings in this thread. I may just make the occasional very general observation about the editing here and there. That's about it. Here's a 2/13/08 post from Oowatanite: The spoilers are terrible this season. And they are often conflicting as well. Fairplay's boot was spoiled. And the second boot is probably spoiled as well. And that's pretty much it. There is no bootlist. There is no F5 spoiler. There is no F4 spoiler. There is no F3 spoiler. There is no "Winner" spoiler. There are only a few "goes early" and a few "makes jury" spoilers. It's a weak spoiling season and it's wide open for Edgic ! Needless to say, I haven't noticed any spoilers creeping into Edgic. From Cassidy666 (2/17/08): I've taken a look at spoilers now and again, but not much since the show started. There's no firm bootlist presently from what I gather so it's wide open as to who the winner could be as far as I'm concerned. Another from ProbstFan (2/18/08): Once again, only the first two boots were spoiled. There is no bootlist. There is no known F2 or F3 or F4 or F5. Everything is a crapshoot. The few "spoilers" left are a real mishmash of conflicting info. Will a few "spoilers" turn out to be correct? Maybe. Probably, if we use statistical probability theorems. But myself and other "spoilees" really do not know for certain that Player Z finishes in Zth place, etc. The spoilers this year are MUCH WORSE than last year. And fellow spoilee Probstfan123 has confirmed this in this thread. So please ignore the "drive-by" posters. [hey, that's you, A Bartholemew!] And here is one from you that only goes to show that you have no idea how edgic works, since I have 13 spreadsheets a season going back to Guatemala (6 x 13 = 78 spreadsheets of raw voting data). I like how you have these charts and everything. You all just read the spoilers and base your analysis off of that. Last Edited By: chaperone 02/29/08 04:38 PM. Edited 1 times.
chaperone		#12	[-]
Posts: 2384 (02/29/08 04:37 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	chapera rocks wrote: <3 Astro, but didn't he/she say she wouldn't post winner picks after being spoiled, but I saw him/her post them last week. Just asking. He said that he was spoiled through episode 2 and from there on affirmed his commitment to not be spoiled. You can see his post here.
Green Coffee		#13	[-]
Posts: 61 (03/02/08 02:33 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	This topic is pointless. Unless you have a signed photograph of a specific poster, along with DNA evidence and a copy of their computer's hard drive, the response is: "Oh everyone says they dislike spoilers so obviously they aren't using them." I think the point is more of a general one than one that has to do with specific posters. As many Edgic posters themselves claim: it doesn't take explicit mention of spoilers to have spoiler influence. Even if there isn't a direct paper trail leading to posters A, B, and C, it is very possible for a spoiled Survivor Sucks community to have influence over Edgic. In reality, the absolute spoiler denial seems supported nearly entirely by poster reputation, rather than an overall evaluation. As much shit as some people talk about Edgic's successes and how great they do, many claim that much of Edgic legitimately and in absence of Spoilers picked Amanda last season. No, seriously, Amanda. And unless someone has private eye evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt otherwise, then clearly that's the truth. Forgive some of us for being skeptical, but in light of that decision and overall PREVAILING AND DOMINATING opinion throughout much of last season, it looked mighty suspicious. As for this season, my initial spoiler worries kicked in after a ton of people supported (and continue to support) Alexis (who?) after 4 episodes of blah borderline UTR/MOR editing and virtually no story centrality and character development. I'd be inclined to say similar things about Tracy, but I think that's more because so many people love Tracy as a character. Luckily, though, there are apparently no spoilers out there. Just some rambling from a long timer Edgic lurker that will be viewed as heretical and unfounded accusation. Don't mind me.
khnum		#14	[-]
Posts: 16924 (03/02/08 10:23 AM) dimply pooh bear Reply Quote More Recent Posts	OMG PEOPLE TOOK AN ANTI-SPOILER OATH OVER THE INTERNET! THEY MUST BE TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SurvivorFanGP		#15	[-]
Posts: 4488 (03/02/08 11:53 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts	People sucking Alexis' vajayjay in edgic for no apparent reason whatsoever = spoiled. </rant>
chaperone		#16	[-]
Posts: 2388 (03/03/08 02:51 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Green Coffee wrote: This topic is pointless. Unless you have a signed photograph of a specific poster, along with DNA evidence and a copy of their computer's hard drive, the response is: "Oh everyone says they dislike spoilers so obviously they aren't using them." Untrue. We have confessed spoiler readers in edgic...nobody feels pressure to pretend they're anti spoiler. It's those that claim they're unspoiled so they can sound smart that I'm looking for. I'm not claiming that spoiler oaths are the key to my argument, but they're certainly a part of it. I'm really talking about people on mad witchhunts to rid the world of spoilers. How much time do these people have on their hands to manufacture such a ideology just to sound smart in edgic? But in your paradigm of paranoid skepticism, I can understand where you're coming from. You a 9/11 conspiracy theorist too? Man on the moon? I think the point is more of a general one than one that has to do with specific posters. As many Edgic posters themselves claim: it doesn't take explicit mention of spoilers to have spoiler influence. Even if there isn't a direct paper trail leading to posters A, B, and C, it is very possible for a spoiled Survivor Sucks community to have influence over Edgic. In reality, the absolute spoiler denial seems supported nearly entirely by poster reputation, rather than an overall evaluation. I don't entirely disagree, but I also don't think all the people who claim it's so obvious that edgic is spoiled should have all that difficult of a time making a case, which nobody seems interested in doing. I've made a case. You can too. As much shit as some people talk about Edgic's successes and how great they do, many claim that much of Edgic legitimately and in absence of Spoilers picked Amanda last season. No, seriously, Amanda. And unless someone has private eye evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt otherwise, then clearly that's the truth. Forgive some of us for being skeptical, but in light of that decision and overall PREVAILING AND DOMINATING opinion throughout much of last season, it looked mighty suspicious. clearly, huh? I understand skepticism, but when nobody can put together a coherent argument to even attempt to prove their point or rebutt mine, pardon my skepticism toward them. I do think spoilers influenced edgic last season because anytime anyone mentioned the possibility of it being Amanda there were 15 first time edgic posts telling us how we were all spoiled. THAT's how edgic got spoiled last season. Nobody was listening to ILT. I skipped over most of his posts from the start since 90% of them were about how some cute girl was getting an unfair tone rating. As for this season, my initial spoiler worries kicked in after a ton of people supported (and continue to support) Alexis (who?) after 4 episodes of blah borderline UTR/MOR editing and virtually no story centrality and character development. I'd be inclined to say similar things about Tracy, but I think that's more because so many people love Tracy as a character. Luckily, though, there are apparently no spoilers out there. ??? So there are no spoilers out there but you're suspicious we're influenced by spoilers? No wonder I'm confused. (BTW I eliminated Alexis after episode 2 based on the complex tribe theory...nothing going on for the fans in edgic's CT world...I think anyone holding onto an Alexis edgic win after episode 4 is just plain wrong...but edgic seems to have started ignoring CT theory since Peih Gee did well last season...hmmm...sorta silly if you ask me.) Just some rambling from a long timer Edgic lurker that will be viewed as heretical and unfounded accusation. Don't mind me. Don't be too hard on yourself. You're worth responding to.
chaperone		#17	[-]
Posts: 2389 (03/03/08 03:00 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	SurvivorFanGP wrote: People sucking Alexis' vajayjay in edgic for no apparent reason whatsoever = spoiled. </rant> All 3 of those edgic posters supporting Alexis...? Oh, and there's an Alexis spoiler? I thought about it was a Parvati spoiler that was proving we're all a bunch of hacks. I wasn't aware either was spoiled. How can they both be spoiled?
chaperone		#18	[-]
Posts: 2390 (03/03/08 03:01 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	khnum wrote: OMG PEOPLE TOOK AN ANTI-SPOILER OATH OVER THE INTERNET! THEY MUST BE TELLING THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG PEOPLE TOOK AN ANTI-SPOILER OATH OVER THE INTERNET! THEY MUST BE LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kitty Pryde1		#19	[-]
Posts: 2862 (03/03/08 08:51 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Personally, I don't understand how you guys determine which tribe is complex and which tribe isn't. I mean, going by the single person ratings, I'd say Airai is more CP, while Malakal is more OTT. I mean, Malakal has been ALL about the couples. It's not complex. It's one note. Airai has been about Chet hatred, but Tracy/Kathy/Chet and Joel has been changing that around. I'd say Airai is the complex tribe and they just haven't gotten the screentime due to them competing against Favorites.
chaperone		#20	[-]
Posts: 2391 (03/03/08 01:05 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Do not click here, if you like ads Remove this ad Good point of discussion, KP...but probably best in the edgic thread itself rather than in a spoiler thread. Are you spoiled now?