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Orangeena	If Ami & Tracy are both pre-jury, then that's 9=F2	#421	[-]
Posts: 1191 (03/17/08 10:17 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So the more I think about what Ami & Tracy are rumored to be re:pre-jury bootees, then the jury would be formed with only NINE people left in the game. Which would mean the jury would be the classic 7 people and only TWO final two peeps...Amanda and Parvati? Parvati and Cirie? Cirie would have to win all the last challenges to get there, wouldn't she? I wonder if she's been practising making fire since her EI season? LOLOL... ______________________________________________________________________ Knowing Cirie she probably has... ______________________________________________________________________ All of them are playing an F3 game, and then SUDDENLY it's an F2. The Faves will realize this if the jury doesn't start forming at ten. Minus Kathy, let's see if my Survivor math holds up. Airai 1. Eliza 2. Parvati 3. James 4. Jason 5. Ellaxis 6. Natalie Malakul 1. Ozzy 2. Amanda 3. Cirie Minus Ami and Tracy if indeed they are the next two pre-jury boots. One happening this WEDNESDAY and one a week from Thursday. Or is next week the Famous Week where they have to skip one week because of Basketball. Anyway, unless I've forgotten somebody OR the Tracy/Ami spoilers are wrong, that's only 9 people left. I think we may have a Final Two on our hands...Would ANYone take the lovable Cirie to the F2 with them as their goat? Hmmm.... Amanda and Parvarti might think they have an even playing field between them and of course Amanda chokes in front of the jury AGAIN. And OH NO! POVERTY WINS! Quick burn her at the stake before she does irrepreble(sp?) harm to the American Viewing Public!!!
NOV1962		#422	[-]
Posts: 45 (03/17/08 10:18 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AnneZob wrote: midnightproblay wrote: You can't really lump the book/musical together. They're incredibely different. In the musical, Elphaba has a happy ending. Not so much in the book. In the book, she truly is afraid of water. She can overcome it in the musical however. Elphaba and Glinda have an arguable sexual attraction to one another in the book, but the musical downplays that as well. That said, I think you're all overanalyzing this way too much. Whether or not the book and musical are lumped together is insignificant because no-one is saying that Survivor will be a mirror of the book/musical and in fact it gets rather farcial if you try. For example the water thing - does it matter whether or not she really is allergic to water or not? No, what is important is the general concept of the Green Witch and fear of water being linked together. And even that is an unimportant piece of information until you link it in with the Green Witch emphasis in the set of clues and the knowledge that Cirie may possibly be the survivor who has a fear of deep water and is tricked into going onto a boat. Rather what the clue likely presents is some specific elements of the book/musical will be present in this season of Survivor. The elements of importance being those who are repeated in both other clues and editing. As I repeatedly say, Survivor Phoenix isn't exactly subtle with their clues. More like a hammer esp. if you have knowledge of other spoilers. Like the picture of Chet with the shoe. If you know the spoiler about Chet and him quitting because of a foot injury it doesn't take a genius to work out what that clue means. Honestly speaking I don't see why so many people have the inability to take a holistic view of things - this is not just looking at each individual clue, but the clues together as a consistent story and the editing of the season so far. Internal consistency within the set of clues and external consistency with the season as a whole so to speak. Taken by itself the Green Witch thing in the initial clue is just an interesting thing that you can't read too much into. It's when you put it together with the other clues and the editing choices so far that a coherent story emerges and you see where it lies in the grander scheme of things. Which is - as a symbol for a certain character that Survivor Phoenix can put in the pictures (we can't all be conveniently named after gods and BTW notice the Parvati card is below the Wicked card?) and also probably they like Wicked and thought the idea of a strong female mastermind player who is edited to be not so nice with a minority skin color and being afraid of water and possibly a white sweet female hanger on was too much of a coincidence with Wicked to not use it. The importance of Wicked in terms of predicting Survivor events is more to do with where the Wicked symbolism is used in the clues to indicate whatever player it refers to rather than in itself. The reason for the talk of the song "Defying Gravity" because of all the songs in the musical Survivor Phoenix chose it to name the clue. Also certain parts of it fit in well with the name of the blatant Anatomy of a Victory clue and the Billie Holiday quote clue. It is that repeated motif that is important rather than the song itself. Personally I don't see why people who criticize my talk of Wicked don't understand all this. It seems pretty simple to me. In the end though whether or not I am wrong depends on what happens in the show. Let's just keep on watching and see what happens. Oh my, I just read that this week that Ozzy tricked Cirie into going on a boat, and that Cirie is afraid of deep water girl I don't know how you saw all of this in those cards but kudos......Still hope your clues a are spot on an Cirie wins this......
GrenadeJumper85		#423	[-]
Posts: 3637 (03/17/08 10:19 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think your math is off Orangeena. When Ami and Tracy leave, there will still be ten people left in the game, seven jurors and the final three. Eliza, Jason, James, Ozzy, Erik, Amanda, Parvarti, Alexis, Natalie, Cirie
Orangeena	OOps! I forgot Eric!	#424	[-]
Posts: 1192 (03/17/08 10:33 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	You're right. It's ten. Like the editors of the program I forgot to include Eric! Well, if they jury doesn't start to form at TEN, then we'll know it's a final two.
LKMOSCAR		#425	[-]
Posts: 1594 (03/17/08 10:37 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	NOV1962 wrote: AnneZob wrote: Whether or not the book and musical are lumped together is insignificant because no-one is saying that Survivor will be a mirror of the book/musical and in fact it gets rather farcial if you try. For example the water thing - does it matter whether or not she really is allergic to water or not? No, what is important is the general concept of the Green Witch and fear of water being linked together. And even that is an unimportant piece of information until you link it in with the Green Witch emphasis in the set of clues and the knowledge that Cirie may possibly be the survivor who has a fear of deep water and is tricked into going onto a boat. Rather what the clue likely presents is some specific elements of the book/musical will be present in this season of Survivor. The elements of importance being those who are repeated in both other clues and editing. As I repeatedly say, Survivor Phoenix isn't exactly subtle with their clues. More like a hammer esp. if you have knowledge of other spoilers. Like the picture of Chet with the shoe. If you know the spoiler about Chet and him quitting because of a foot injury it doesn't take a genius to work out what that clue means. Honestly speaking I don't see why so many people have the inability to take a holistic view of things - this is not just looking at each individual clue, but the clues together as a consistent story and the editing of the season so far. Internal consistency within the set of clues and external consistency with the season as a whole so to speak. Taken by itself the Green Witch thing in the initial clue is just an interesting thing that you can't read too much into. It's when you put it together with the other clues and the editing choices so far that a coherent story emerges and you see where it lies in the grander scheme of things. Which is - as a symbol for a certain character that Survivor Phoenix can put in the pictures (we can't all be conveniently named after gods and BTW notice the Parvati card is below the Wicked card?) and also probably they like Wicked and thought the idea of a strong female mastermind player who is edited to be not so nice with a minority skin color and being afraid of water and possibly a white sweet female hanger on was too much of a coincidence with Wicked to not use it. The importance of Wicked in terms of predicting Survivor events is more to do with where the Wicked symbolism is used in the clues to indicate whatever player it refers to rather than in itself. The reason for the talk of the song "Defying Gravity" because of all the songs in the musical Survivor Phoenix chose it to name the clue. Also certain parts of it fit in well with the name of the blatant Anatomy of a Victory clue and the Billie Holiday quote clue. It is that repeated motif that is important rather than the song itself. Personally I don't see why people who criticize my talk of Wicked don't understand all this. It seems pretty simple to me. In the end though whether or not I am wrong depends on what happens in the show. Let's just keep on watching and see what happens. Oh my, I just read that this week that Ozzy tricked Cirie into going on a boat, and that Cirie is afraid of deep water girl I don't know how you saw all of this in those cards but kudos......Still hope your clues a are spot on an Cirie wins this...... And it appears as though Cirie does eventually get her revenge on Ozzy.
LKMOSCAR		#426	[-]
Posts: 1595 (03/17/08 10:41 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Orangeena wrote: You're right. It's ten. Like the editors of the program I forgot to include Eric! Well, if they jury doesn't start to form at TEN, then we'll know it's a final two. Although he didn't exactly confirm it, Todd told me that for all he knows there is a final three this year.
SurvivorFanGP		#427	[-]
Posts: 5384 (03/17/08 10:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Orangeena wrote: You're right. It's ten. Like the editors of the program I forgot to include Eric! Well, if they jury doesn't start to form at TEN, then we'll know it's a final two. Seeing as how Eliza is spoiled as first juror (tenth), I think it's safe to say it's a final 3. Though the James spoiler saying he's out MERGE can mean he goes tenth.
AnneZob		#428	[-]
Posts: 20 (03/18/08 3:09 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	NOV1962 wrote: Oh my, I just read that this week that Ozzy tricked Cirie into going on a boat, and that Cirie is afraid of deep water girl I don't know how you saw all of this in those cards but kudos......Still hope your clues a are spot on an Cirie wins this...... I hope I am right and Cirie wins too :) I will admit a bit of bias here, I was already guessing from editing that Cirie would win when I first saw the Survivor Phoenix clues (I posted in Edgic before I started reading spoilers). I hope it didn't affect my analysis of the clues here, but we'll just have to see. If Cirie is the one who is afraid of water, that combined with the skin color issues makes the link with the Green Witch from Wicked obvious at that point. Last Edited By: AnneZob 03/18/08 3:11 AM. Edited 1 times.
AnneZob		#429	[-]
Posts: 22 (03/18/08 7:06 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	One of the things is the common theme in the poems/lines in the clue. The title of the second clue is "I May I Might I Must". The poem is: If you will tell me why the fen appears impassable, I then will tell you why I think that I can get across it if I try. The title of the first clue is "Defying Gravity" with a picture from Wicked. The lyrics of the song: I'm through accepting limits Cuz someone says they're so Some things I cannot change But till I try I'll never know Too long I've been afraid of Losing love I guess I've lost Well if that's love It comes at much too high a cost I'd sooner buy defying gravity Kiss me goodbye, I'm defying gravity And you can't pull me down! The quote from Billie Holiday: "If you copy, it means you're working without any real feeling. No two people on earth are alike, and it's got to be that way in music or it isn't music." It's pretty easy to see the common theme in all this. The winner will be someone who wins in a way that has never been done before in the game. This is not going to be a run-of-the-mill winner that we've seen before. I think that while watching the show this is something we really have to look out for - the winner will NOT be UTR or be underplaying. They will be highly visible, doing something not done before and unique and which was previously thought to be impossible. This last thing may be sheer coincidence but "Anatomy of Victory" is a book on battle tactics focusing on troop deployments and field formations in the 17th and 18th century. If it is not a coincidence then it implies that the victor will be brilliant at complicated tactical maneuvers. Last Edited By: AnneZob 03/18/08 7:34 AM. Edited 1 times.
Trixiego		#430	[-]
Posts: 13875 (03/18/08 7:14 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	The quote from Billie Holiday: "If you copy, it means you're working without any real feeling. No two people on earth are alike, and it's got to be that way in music or it isn't music." I'll have to check with VG but I'm pretty sure the above has been on the site for many seasons so it may not have to do with Micronesia per se
AnneZob		#431	[-]
Posts: 23 (03/18/08 7:38 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Trixiego wrote: The quote from Billie Holiday: "If you copy, it means you're working without any real feeling. No two people on earth are alike, and it's got to be that way in music or it isn't music." I'll have to check with VG but I'm pretty sure the above has been on the site for many seasons so it may not have to do with Micronesia per se No need to check. I used the web archive to take a look back at the site and you're right. It was there in Fiji at least. Oh well, that's one part of my analysis gone :) Someone better not tell me that "Anatomy of a Victory" has been there since Fiji as well...
Trixiego		#432	[-]
Posts: 13876 (03/18/08 8:07 AM) Kiss me, I'm Adminish Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Someone better not tell me that "Anatomy of a Victory" has been there since Fiji as well... Nope that is new
MMan9000		#433	[-]
Posts: 18 (03/18/08 10:05 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I assume it's pointing to Cirie winning (or at least making the Final Three). In Exile Island she pulled a complex maneuver off to get rid of Courtney (something about creating false alliances, telling Terry and Courtney to vote for Aras, Shane to vote for Danielle, leaving her, Aras, and Danielle to have the votes to get rid of Courtney).
landofthelurk	delurking...	#434	[-]
Posts: 1 (03/18/08 10:23 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I decided to come out of lurkdom for this one...red ecks me if you must but this is just my opinion, and I hope that even as a noob i am as entitled to share it... I see several parts to analyze here, but they all come back to the same theme in my head, which is "Things are not always what they seem". I am thinking about Wizard of Oz in my thoughts, and how the story went and what the overtures and underlying themes were to the story. -The Land of Oz- the meaning: it appears as though Ozzy is 'controlling' the game and is almighty and powerful, just as it appeared of the Wizard (who was not). - The green witch/white witch card- I am not sure that in Oz, would Glinda ever divulge a secret that would intentionally bring harm to anyone to the WWofEast (even though she is her sister). In survivor, I think the same analogy could apply, the evil witch could be very persuasive and was apt to make deals, and in doing so, coax information out of others that she would otherwise not be able to get. Or, coax unlikely allies. Hi, Cirie. -Still on the vein, does anyone else see a poppy card over on the far left? I do. Dorothy & co were lured into the poppies and fell asleep in them. I wonder if this could represent some type of oblivion or blindsiding- pretty poppies, but dangerous ones. And definitely not what they seemed. -A house of cards- again, a sham. I think this represents a poorly constructed sham falling apart. I do think the whole story leans far toward a female trend- we see two FEMALE witches, Dorothy, goddess parvati (though it does look like Little Sally with TD and TD-er, in which case, would still signify female dominance). It also spells out "a man" (someone already mentioned that here- just agreeing). So 'a man's' plan falls like a house of cards, knocked over by female dominance, gained by manipulation, blindsiding, and a false sense of confidence on the part of Ozzy (the house of cards is a structure that is built out of weakness and is a 'sham'). There is more but I'm still thinking. This is a long thread so admittedly, I have not picked it apart and if I repeat the ideas of others, my apologies.
TikiTiger		#435	[-]
Posts: 129 (03/18/08 7:38 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think Cirie and Parvati are without question in the Final Three. The show has been practically edited around them. When can you remember seeing a scene like the one in which Cirie walked away from her tribe while they celebrated? The music rose, their voices were drowned out, and the camera followed her away. It was such a powerful intense scene, and it made Cirie the center of the universe. Secondly, Parvati's editing has been all about saying how big of a threat she is, the power she has over men. The whole "It's PAR-vati" thing during the Tribal Switch was interesting, the audience is supposed to care how her name is said. We are supposed to care about her. I just can't think who will be sitting there next to them. It makes most sense that it's Amanda, because most of the fans are under-edited as far as long-term strategy and end-game alliances. The more the show progresses, the less of a chance I think Alexis has. My gut tells me Cirie wins this whole thing. We are being fed her every move because the producers know she was the sweetheart of S12 and maybe they're trying to preserve her reputation and not see a Stephenie part 2. I think Parvati and Amanda probably get 1 vote each, from Ozzy and James. 5-1-1 for Cirie in the end, is my guess.
gretchensucks		#436	[-]
Posts: 285 (03/19/08 1:10 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	AnneZob wrote: One of the things is the common theme in the poems/lines in the clue. The title of the second clue is "I May I Might I Must". The poem is: If you will tell me why the fen appears impassable, I then will tell you why I think that I can get across it if I try. The title of the first clue is "Defying Gravity" with a picture from Wicked. The lyrics of the song: I'm through accepting limits Cuz someone says they're so Some things I cannot change But till I try I'll never know Too long I've been afraid of Losing love I guess I've lost Well if that's love It comes at much too high a cost I'd sooner buy defying gravity Kiss me goodbye, I'm defying gravity And you can't pull me down! The quote from Billie Holiday: "If you copy, it means you're working without any real feeling. No two people on earth are alike, and it's got to be that way in music or it isn't music." It's pretty easy to see the common theme in all this. The winner will be someone who wins in a way that has never been done before in the game. This is not going to be a run-of-the-mill winner that we've seen before. I think that while watching the show this is something we really have to look out for - the winner will NOT be UTR or be underplaying. They will be highly visible, doing something not done before and unique and which was previously thought to be impossible. This last thing may be sheer coincidence but "Anatomy of Victory" is a book on battle tactics focusing on troop deployments and field formations in the 17th and 18th century. If it is not a coincidence then it implies that the victor will be brilliant at complicated tactical maneuvers. Cirie
LKMOSCAR		#437	[-]
Posts: 1607 (03/19/08 1:32 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm having a weird feeling that the final three are Amanda/Cirie/Parvati. I don't see the girls turning on each other at top 5 and I don't see Alexis pulling out a F4 immunity win. That boat scene in episode 3 was telling.
SurvivorFanGP		#438	[-]
Posts: 5483 (03/19/08 1:48 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I definitely agree with that, it'd be one thing for it to be shoved down our throats like previous alliances have, which is usually the kiss of death of it NOT making it to the end. With the boat scene, it was subtle, and Cirie was the only one standing, the other two were sitting. Probably nothing, but it helps support the fact.
lioness0608		#439	[-]
Posts: 3 (03/19/08 3:45 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/graphics/gallery/S16FutureChallenges?page=2 i have tried to add this before. what do you think it means, if it is another clue?
taigark		#440	[-]
Posts: 306 (03/19/08 3:56 AM) Hey! I kinda like it here! Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's nothing, just future challenge reference. I think.

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