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ExMenudoFan |
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The first 2 episodes were great. I just may read the book as a result.
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StatelyWayneManor |
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Not watching. I think I know how it ends.
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GlamsSlam |
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guppie you have access to cable yet a flush inside toilet is beyond your reach....
McCullough understood these men and had a passion for them and we again have IDOLIZED and in a quinessential American way where we ignore the realities of who they were as men. They had no place for women in the Congress and yet it is quite obvious that women were piviotal in their decision making process. They were slave owners, they were farmers, Quakers, they were soldiers without armies, they were men educated in the British system and they were all well men with passion. I honestly don't see that passion in many today.. no doubt you see how cagey and wiley Franklin was and how many of them well understood their constiutiences and that playing to the crowd even then a small and lowly educated one is essential in building power and support. But you do see America came from the grassroots.. the families who had enough.. sadly it goes to show we also still have our roots in torture (tar and feathering) and in discrimination.. but again it just proves the voices of the "silent" can speak loudly when needed. And we do have good people in Government..my beloved Henry Waxman.... look him up and his "heroes" of our Congress who investigate the fraud in the US Government. I broke up with him briefly over his need to shove his head in MLB's steroid scandal.. really that is hardly a national issue when his group has done so much to expose Blackwater and the fraud in the State Department..they showed what a dumbfuck Condi Rice really is.. oh they are there... they are the quiet voices that we don't hear loudly and enough. |
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superguppie |
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The first 2 episodes were great. I just may read the book as a result.The book was excellent. From what I recall the miniseries is following it pretty faithfully. guppie you have access to cable yet a flush inside toilet is beyond your reach....At least we have a septic tank unlike your little privy hole. McCullough understood these men and had a passion for them and we again have IDOLIZED and in a quinessential American way where we ignore the realities of who they were as men.Yes, it is odd how we have become obsessed with finding and exposing flaws of our "heroes" these days, as if the leaders of our past didn't have any. They have passed into mythology. Jefferson, for example--there is a very flawed and complex man. Had we had 24 hour news cable channels, dude would never have made it. |
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GlamsSlam |
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They were MEN for god's sake.. but I do love that next week Adams walks into the room and Bennie is in the tub with some French whore... god Spitzer
anyone?
We do hold that Constitution a little too biblical for my tastes and again these men were not infallible.. certainly the electoral college - a great idea at the time to hold back Virginia's power - is completely useless and unnecessary today but yet we want to amend the fucking thing to make marriage only between a man and a woman. I wonder what Adams would say to that or the gay dude from So Carolina. |
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Gregoire |
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I love this. It have a Rome-like feel to it. In fact, an entire HBO series on the American Revolution would be pretty amazing. It was a little cheesy that John
Adams just happened to be present at the Boston Massacre though. But that scene was so trippy and well done that I dont think I even care how inaccurate it
was. And here's another vote for going to read the David McCollough book if you havent done so.
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I thought the first two episodes were kinda of blah, I'm really not that big a fan of Tom Wilkenson as Franklin its a very comic relief type performance, but I am loving David Morse as Washington, I can wait for the later episodes. I wish we would have seen a little more of England and King George even if it is to vilify them, I'd rather see that then abolitionist talk in every episode. Band of Brothers worked so well because they didn't bang you over the head with the Holocaust you just had one really good episode. I do feel this is going to be an epic series and I love that we are getting to this part in American history, the first 75 years of American history are almost completely ignored so I do have high hopes for this series. |
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TV MA LSV |
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And we do have good people in Government..my beloved Henry Waxman....*cough* *cough**cough**cough* *cough**cough**cough**cough**cough* *cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough* *cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough**cough* Who are these good people exactly in your government? And what exactly have they ever accomplished? This is a series about John Adams. A man that made great change happen. A man that helped form this country. Through great personal sacrifice. A founding father. How dare mention that cunt Henry Waxman in this thread? How dare you, sir! |
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SmalltownBoy |
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I pulled it up on demand and started watching it this morning. About 20 mins in, I decided to rewind and start taping it. I'm about 10 mins into the
second episode now. It's great. I love Laura Linney.
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TV MA LSV |
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So what was that scene with John letting John Quincy go off in the carriage with that dude?
I so didn't get that, or maybe I did. Any insight from my fellow peeps? |
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GlamsSlam |
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Once again I find myself utterly transfixed on this series as so much of this seems as if it is in the present and not our past. Perhaps I am too like the
French where I have found history so essential that I have romanticized what is a legacy and therefore allow it to color all things today in the same delicate
pallet.
From the politics to the personal there is nothing here that does not resonate. How John Adams is a man of the present.. impatient, ungallant, quinessentially American with bluntness and directness that shocks even his peers still rooted in European manners. Yet we are much like the French when it comes to history, to arrogance, to our disdain for those who do not embrace the culture as distinct and valuable. How this man carved out success was due to his sheer determination, his own ego and his need to see independence of the Americas. Yes he is our American prototype.. a mixture of personal agenda with the political. And be damned those who cannot see that.. They are always never mutually exclusive as we have come to learn. Nothing comes from duty without purpose and that purpose is not always of the higher ground despite the belief it is. Adams clearly was a complex individual but the outcome of his "duty" could have easily gone in a totally different direction.. but his intelligence, his will, his beliefs clearly kept him on a course that led to our independence. As for Abigail, she was if I recall, a woman of great beauty and charm. She clearly too had an agenda but her hand was sheathed in a velvet glove and it was clear that without that velvet John was an iron fist. There is no question she was the epitome of behind every great man is a greater woman. My own disdain for America of late has come from this shame that our need to be a Superpower has come at a cost...that our Education that Adams so referred to as a process has become what I am sure he would fear.. elitist, two tiered and largely unsuccessful. Our Economy and our cities homes to those who have and those who have not.. the Farmers do not mix with the Lawyers and do any of them know Philosophy or Opera that he so believed they would? We have only money as our God and it is ironic that on that money we state "In God We Trust" Perhaps that too should change.. so much of that foundation I have no doubt Adams would agree has become lost in our zeal for personal independence at the sake of our collective dependence. We are nothing without each other yet we are not the country that those men AND women so desperately fought and sacrificed for. The American dream, the American way is now all about me and get out of my way as its about me and what is in for me... even the economic downturn has brought some odd justification, a balance. That symbol of liberty, the scales.. its been out of balance for quite some time now and I don't know if America has the ability to regain it. The America of our history, of our legacy, is long gone.... |
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BillNyeSurvivorGuy |
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Nice post!
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TV MA LSV wrote:I don't know who the guy was, but he approached Adams needing a secretary to help him with his French as he traveled to Russia. Evidently, Adams offered up his son as secretary. Only 14, and he was sent off to another country. I just hope the guy came with credentials and references. I'm going to have to do some research and see how long young Adams was away from his family. I gotta find out how the Adams kids stay so young looking. It's been seven years (?), and they haven't aged a bit - except for the baby, of course. |
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TV MA LSV |
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This was on Wikipedia. "For nearly two years, at the age of only 14, he accompanied Francis Dana on a mission to St. Petersburg, Russia, to gain recognition of the new republic."
Amazing. |
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Brooke276 |
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That trip began John Quincy's rise....The independence he gained, along with the languages learned etc, set him on the path to be a President (BTW, a job
he despised....He would have glossed over that part of his career if anyone asked him).
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Gregoire |
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After three episodes, I'm still undecided about Giamatti, but Laura Linney and Tom Wilkenson are fucking amazing. It's so chilling watching Independent
Hall in action, and have people NOT break out in song.
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Minerette |
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Gregoire wrote: I kept looking for the tally board...then I remembered it's hanging on the wall in my living room. "It's hot as hell in Philadelphia!" Oh, and Tom Wilkinson - this is the second time he's played the American Revolution, and he's played both sides now. General Cornwallis - meet Benjamin Franklin. |
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Carboys Desire |
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TV MA LSV wrote: You can read summaries of each Part of the 7-Part series at the show's website at hbo.com. They even have summaries for the parts that haven't aired yet. Sometimes their conversations go right over my head so this is good for me. I may start reading each Part's summary before I watch. It's not as if we don't know how it's going to end. |
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excbexcb |
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Am I the only one who hates Laura Linney's acting?
Paul Giamatti seems like he's playing Paul Giamatti. |
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Brooke276 |
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Did anyone else cry at Washington's inaguaration tonight? My God....I actually felt for the first time that I almost knew what Washington looked and
sounded like with Morse's chilling presence...
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