"fill your hand,

pilgrim..."
but then i'd make a lousy diplomat.
and laura linney is the shit. i would pay money to watch her read the phone book. or the constitution. i love the way she laughs in this show...
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i wanted to see the j man go all john wayne on george to the 3, no bowing or scraping, and say:
"fill your hand, ![]() pilgrim..."
but then i'd make a lousy diplomat. and laura linney is the shit. i would pay money to watch her read the phone book. or the constitution. i love the way she laughs in this show... |
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Once again I am finding myself utterly transfixed by this series as it is so relevant, so pertinent and well perfectly timed to this moment in our history.
I have to wonder what our founding fathers would make of this year and our election of the next President - the chick, the black dude or the old duffer. I would think John Adams would revel in it. While I have suspect about the casting of Giametti, there are moments that he manages to overcome his inner Pig Vomit and that was in the two scenes.. his reunion with his wife.. good to know he was a quick cummer... and that with his children. His total lack of recognition and utter amazement at them was brilliant. But if you read the book they discuss the look of Adams being pasty and portly with laser like intellect. In other words Karl Rove. What was fascinating is again the exchanges between the fathers.. that discussion with Franklin and Jefferson in Paris is a debate that is so shocking and well again an issue that has significance today. Let us be honest and examine how each Amendment has been to address the significant factors that were purposely or inadvertantly overlooked (slavery and the vote of women) and others a reflection of the influences of the time.. such as prohibition. We are still using our Constitution as a type of hostage to those in position as a type of negotiation with the American people.. let's get rid of Gay Marriage by Amending the Constitution, Make English the official language... Perhaps Jefferson was right that the laws and means of the predecessors have no business being the foundation of the laws for those in the present. Yet without that foundation what would be America? A country of chaos? What was Jefferson inferring... I am unsure but he was a man of great intellect and one who valued education above else.. yet this man was quite the Kennedy of his day, did little to discourage slavery, banged his own and was quite enamored of his life abroad. Interesting and complex man.. As for Franklin well they clearly only eluded to what a massive pain in the arse he was to Adams and what a blowhard he was. Dick Cheney with a beaver hat well at least Franklin got beaver. And Adams was obviously intelligent and egocentric.. his children suffered as a result...much like Bush 1.. forcing his drunk kids into jobs and positions that they were neither qualified nor interested. Well nothing changes. The sins of the fathers.. and in this case our country forged by man suffers at the hand of man. Its much like any marriage.. better or worse.. cheating, quick cumming and absentee fathers... yes the past is very much our present. |
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Another excellent episode. I do wish, however, they would've worked in, somehow, what Adams wrote to Abigail when he learned she had landed in Europe:
"I am twenty years younger today than I was yesterday." :: romantic sigh ::
Laura Linney continues to be amazing. And, although I didn't cry at the inaugural inauguration depiction, it did move me deeply. Very deeply. And they really were just winging it all, you know? |
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my god glam, what a small, vile and insufferable little shit you are. your hate is all consuming, isn't it?
pathetic. but carry on, ms. overstated and overblown. your thoughts will surely obstruct any cause you get behind, i'm sure of that... |
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i know very little about american history (first i'm hearing about some john adams guy), but all you guys's reviews is gonna make me wikipedia him and
get the series now :)
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nomii wrote: nomii, I'm re-learning my American History! It's been a long time since grammar school. I always knew John Adams was a cool dude but Paul Giamatti
(sp?) really makes him come to life. I've loved Laura Linney in every thing I've seen her in!
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Can't they hook us up with one "Saltpeter, John?"
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I didn't get choked up during Washington's inauguration, but I felt a strange sense of pride as if I had had some part in the proceedings.
Unfortunately, I got distracted when Adams smiled and his stained teeth were displayed.
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you know why this show is great? it made me cry, a non-american mostly ignorant about the independence history.
btw, are these bad teeth due to makeup? i can't imagine modern day actors having such attrocious dental hygine. |
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or not...
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nomii wrote: It's makeup. They're going all out for authenticity which is truly awesome. |
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^^^ If you have not seen "The Making of John Adams" you should look for it. It is probably On Demand. It's only about 20 minutes long but it
shows/tells so much of the behind the scenes goings on, with much of it the special effects of last week's episode explained.
For example, remember when they were watching the balloon go up in Paris? There were 10,000 people watching, or so it seems. It was really only 15 people taped and then multiplied. But there is so much more revealed than that. It's quite amazing to see how much of the sets are real and how much are computer graphics. I was astounded at how much of it was trickery. The scene where John goes to speak to George III, for example. ALL DONE WITH BLUE-SCREEN!!! He wasn't in that room!!! Nor was he ever on the staircase leading up to that room. They used pictures that some guy took at Hampton Court Palace (former home of Henry VIII----I've been there) and with a computer they did their magic and it's incredible. Look for it....it's worth the 20 minutes. |
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I saw that and loved it... I also love that half the staff are British!!! They were really passionate about how realistic they wanted it to be and they have
accomplished that.
I cannot wait until tonight's episode.... I am sure another night of bliss just in seeing Laura Linney smile.. God I love that woman. I want her to be play Ma Ingalls in the remake of Little House on the Prarie. |
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heh.
i loved that first congress. a handful of dudes sitting in a room yelling at each other while a shut-out veep john adams (even kicked out from cabinet meetings) reads a newspaper waiting for a tie to break. those old school elections. the top two candidates being pres and veep. think of the fun bush/kerry or bush/gore might have been in the last few years. and did washington really trash the presidential residence ala clinton? ah, the old days, good times... |
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My love of history has always been with a healthy dose of disdain but with due respect.. I think it began with my obsession with of all people Hitler.. where I
became so fascinated I studied German so I could read Mein Kampf... I am sure my parents thought a fourth grader with such odd interests was doomed for the nut
factory.. . they were right but I am too quick to have been ever been caught.
Yet my odd connection to America has always been love/hate.. and at times I cannot say that my respect for the country is constant.. but I remember when my husband became a citizen and how I was reminded that this is one of the few countries that is relatively easy to do and that to witness those people taking their oath how overpowering that was and I never felt so much pride.. Or to know the struggles of those who go to great lengths to make it here.. my own mother comes to mind.. so in that legacy I cannot just abandon my home yet I sit here planning just that exodus in the next few years. And tonight I am almost overwhelmed with such passion and such sadness that I cannot decide if these men knew as much as they thought or were in fact just bluffing their way through.. as they are so clearly and fully victims of their own egos, their own agendas and their own ideals that at times I wonder how exactly did this country come to be what it once WAS... for it is not now. Adams was a complex man.. the Adams family such a parallel to not their namesake of 60s television but of a much more current family whose dynasty in government today cannot be ignored. Clearly Cheney knew of Adams distaste for the position his act of revenge was to see that in this dynasty that would not be the case. On that count history should once again be revered for its wisdom. As for Jefferson I cannot wait for the ultimate book that is on this level. .the man was a fascinating complex and fully frustrating Francophile with intellect and the appropriate smugness that accompanies it (and its appeal) resonant of something more of a "modern" man. But again you see in this episode the struggle of independence.. we have never fully found our place on the international stage.. we have tried many times to somehow become a Switzerland but circumstance, obligation, and again the ego of man has always put is back into the center where we have remained until this moment in history. Perhaps it is time to move stage right and let other ingenue's take that role for we are aging in ways that have not become us.. for we were the sprites, the envied ones, the youthful upstarts who knew bravery and courage that other countries today use as a model for their own yet much like any aging deity we are in serious need of a renovation. To the level of the French.. perhaps not that extreme but it is clear that we are not what these men had in mind. And here Washington a man from which our Capital is named acted not as a Commander in Chief that deserved this title of respect and authority that Adams felt he so deserved.. no instead he trashed the White House like a rock star without the drugs.. well he did smoke hemp so on second thought.. And once again we see the sins of these fathers at "home" .. Its good to know that things and families never change.. sons forced into father's obligations, drunken ones, and disappointed ones... the children are marked not by their own success but that of their father's... yes I am sure the current President could learn something from that lesson.. or not. It is also appropriate or ironic that they advertise Generation Kill and Recount.... oh and once again its Brits who seem to play Americans well oh so American. |
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This has been an enjoyable series, but I don't think John Adams was that constantly neurotic. Paul Giamatti needs to chill the fuck out and act normal once
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And the part of Dick Cheney will be played tonight by Alexander Hamilton but with more gay.
Once again the modern counterpart of the Adams aka the Bushies never ceases to amaze.. Papa Bush/Adams with his own neo cons attempting to push him into war, the popularity and unity that war brings, the distasteful and yet ironic editorials (which frankly even Frank Rich wishes he could write with such vitriol) and the ever amazing woman who unlike her modern counterpart actually tans leather. Although there are times I imagine Laura getting the switch out for Bushie Jr.'s fun times. And Jr/Jr.. drunk and disorderly.. well that hasn't changed either. Only this one doesn't make it to the White House.. Thank god or we would never even have the option of FREEDOM vs FRENCH fries. Jefferson continues to amaze me as perhaps the most complex intellect to ever grace American soil. A Bill Clinton with less folksy charm but they both like black people... I went to Chris Rock the other night and he said that it is about time we see a woman and a black man as candidates as our country has been run by old white dudes for 200 years and what is wrong with either of them being elected.. I mean we have had a retard for president for the past 8 years... he also commented about our money.. ironic that on our dollars the faces of these men, rapists, slave owners, thieves and asswipes grace our currency.. "I will trade you two rapists for a pervert".... yes IN GOD WE TRUST. Good thing we trust our invisible friend.. God is like Harvey only not in a bunny suit. You know what Nancy Reagan could have done with that White House - again even our capital built on the backs of slaves.. but you know she would have had Flo working her ass of 24/7 to get that place spiffy. |
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As I watch this, I am struck by the fact that slaves were used to build one of this country's most important symbols of freedom. I know intellectually
that slaves built most of early Washington, DC but the irony of it really struck me tonight. Kudos to the director for showing that scene in the movie.
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ExMenudoFan wrote: well, yes... hyperbole on the director's part that slaves alone built the white house. but then i guess you'd have to question thomas jefferson about all that. with all of his folksy charm, love of black people, grace and complex intellect... and then ask him about the construction of monticello. and ummm... his ownership of slaves throughout his entire lifetime. not to mention them kids. cluck, cluck, cluck... yes, i do love the revisionist views of american history here in the light of an hbo miniseries... |
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I didn't say that slaves alone built the white house. I just said that they were used to build it. I also don't think the director intended to imply
that in the scene.
At any rate, the scene gave me pause.
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