So You Think You Can Dance 2008

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Dire Potatoe		#5481	[-]
Posts: 3674 (08/06/08 1:42 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yay. Josh FTW.
lizzo1		#5482	[-]
Posts: 777 (08/06/08 1:43 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	This isn't really a spoiler per se, more like a supposed insider telling Nigel's plan for this season. Take it with a grain of salt, although some of it makes sense. Just putting it in tags because it's kinda long, and some people might not be interested. It was posted on the Fox boards and quickly removed. Spoiler [+] Somone with supposedly inside information on FOX boards posted this and it was deleted while I was responding back but after I read it, I copied it before the moderators deleted it because i wanted to post it over here....Don't know if I believe this but I wouldn't be surprised. Did you know that at LEAST one of the judges did NOT want Twitch to be on the show. There was a BIG argument about Twitch with Nigel pushing to get him on and of course Nigel gets the last word. He wanted Twitch because he really does like him and also because he thought he would bring a big fan base with him from when he got beat out by Hok last year. Nigel wanted a final four with Will, Joshua, Chelsie and Kherington and he thought he had it all figured out but was he wrong. The other judge or judges did not want Twitch because they said he could only dance hip-hop AND they were afraid he would take votes away from Will and Joshua who are the two that everybody wanted in the final four. Nigel wanted them in the final four also but he thought after Kherington and Twitch split up she would stay on and Twitch would be voted off. Nigel said something about Twitch had a great personality like Benji but that personality only goes so far. He said Benji could also dance and that carried him through and when the viewers saw that Twitch wasn't very versatile he would be voted off and then Joshua and Will could go straight to the final. Nigel also Thayne would make it to the top ten. At first they had Will paired with Chelsie and Joshua paired with Courtney but then they had to put Courtney with Gev because of him being short and they didn't want to put Katee and Mark together because they are both Asian. So they switched them all around. None of them ever thought that Katee would be as good as she is. She was supposed to be like Twitch. Once she and Joshua got to the top ten she would be voted off. They were shocked when people started loving Katee as much as they do Joshua. Some of the choreographers are also ticked off because they say they have to dumb down their routines for Twitch but then some of them are kind of laughing at Nigel because his plan backfired and now Twitch is in the final four instead of Will and Nigel's girl Kherington got voted off early. Some of the people who used to be on the show , like Brian and Shane, have said that Nigel picked the worst top twenty ever and that there only about five dancers of the whole twenty who deserved to be on. They even named other people who tried out who were so much better than the ones Nigel picked. They also said the choreography this year was "unoriginal, boring and uninspired". Debbie Allen was none too happy at first when Will got voted off but she likes Twitch and she wants to be a judge next year so she and Nigel made peace. Now Nigel is praying that Joshua wins so that he can take away some of the audience from ABDC. He made sure that Joshua got the best routines of the night and gave him special permission to do a few extra stunts in his solo. How do I know? A FOXY little mouse told me and the mouse does not lie.
Drew B		#5483	[-]
Posts: 3682 (08/06/08 1:44 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I certainly watched every minute of last season's show, including auditions and Vegas, and I don't recall Twitch being such a major factor. Sure, he was up against Hok at the end, but Hok had gotten tons of screen time, both that season and the season before. Twitch was just another good B-boy from whom we hadn't seen much. Based just on what we saw last season, I can't imagine too many people carrying a torch for the guy a year later. Twitch isn't the only one who auditioned before. Katee failed to make the cut in season 2 AND season 3. Sure, we never saw her, but it's not like we saw THAT much of Twitch. Last year showed (with Sabra winning and Neil in the final four) that pre-finals attention is not an all-important factor. Last year's equivalent of Twitch was Hok (almost making it the year before, but not quite), and Hok didn't even make top 10...
BarbH918		#5484	[-]
Posts: 1042 (08/06/08 1:56 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	As the show is billed as finding "America's Favorite Dancer" - not best dancer, not most improved, not most versatile, not the best technically trained/untrained - it's really a popularity contest. Sure, Katee, Josh & Courtney may be the best - but Twitch is the favorite. Personally, I liked watching all of them dance - most of the time it was very entertaining (except for Thayne and his permagrin). BUT - could I watch just one of them do contemporary for an hour, or host a show - no. As proven by the success of ABDC - people want to watch hip-hip, popping, breaking - whatever, not a whole show of Mia Michaels contemporary or Tyce's broadway. I like Twitch - he has a personality unlike the other three. Is he the best dancer? No.
Drew B		#5485	[-]
Posts: 3683 (08/06/08 1:59 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BarbH918 wrote: As the show is billed as finding "America's Favorite Dancer" - not best dancer, not most improved, not most versatile, not the best technically trained/untrained - it's really a popularity contest. Sure, Katee, Josh & Courtney may be the best - but Twitch is the favorite. Personally, I liked watching all of them dance - most of the time it was very entertaining (except for Thayne and his permagrin). BUT - could I watch just one of them do contemporary for an hour, or host a show - no. As proven by the success of ABDC - people want to watch hip-hip, popping, breaking - whatever, not a whole show of Mia Michaels contemporary or Tyce's broadway. I like Twitch - he has a personality unlike the other three. Is he the best dancer? No. And you know this HOW? Twitch has been in the bottom several times -- neither Katee nor Joshua has ever been. Isn't it possible that one of them is, in fact, the favorite? Shouldn't we at least wait to see the results of tonight's vote before we declare Twitch the favorite based on a hunch?!
BarbH918		#5486	[-]
Posts: 1043 (08/06/08 2:05 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't KNOW - it's just an opinion. That's all. In my OPINION I don't think the bottom two or three are always really the bottom two or three. I think sometimes the producers do it for sympathy votes and to get people off the couch. Just my OPINION. I don't KNOW. I should've said "Twitch is my favortite" and not "the favorite" - K? I will be glad to wait and see. Last Edited By: BarbH918 08/06/08 2:09 PM. Edited 1 times.
Dire Potatoe		#5487	[-]
Posts: 3675 (08/06/08 2:07 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yay, Katee FTW.
Hanson		#5488	[-]
Posts: 206 (08/06/08 2:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	lizzo1 wrote: This isn't really a spoiler per se, more like a supposed insider telling Nigel's plan for this season. Take it with a grain of salt, although some of it makes sense. Just putting it in tags because it's kinda long, and some people might not be interested. It was posted on the Fox boards and quickly removed. Spoiler [+] Most of this stuff doesn't sound right. For instance, Mary has stated before that Josh came out of nowhere. I'm not sure then, how he's Nigel's original FF pick. And if Kherington was his pick, I don't know why he personally threw her under the bus in week 6. Plus, if he didn't plan on Twitch making it this far, why has he gotten so much help from dumbed down routines and favorable critiques? If he thought Twitch would be gone, then why bother dumbing anything down for him? Wouldn't it be a no brainer to give him a routine he can't handle instead? Why not just honestly critique him and talk about how awful he was? BTW, I'm not sure why this is a spoiler, but I obliged anyway.
Screerider		#5489	[-]
Posts: 22380 (08/06/08 2:30 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	BarbH918 wrote: As the show is billed as finding "America's Favorite Dancer" - not best dancer, not most improved, not most versatile, not the best technically trained/untrained - it's really a popularity contest. Even if it was sold as any of those things, it would still just be a popularity contest.
Hanson		#5490	[-]
Posts: 207 (08/06/08 2:34 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Screerider wrote: BarbH918 wrote: As the show is billed as finding "America's Favorite Dancer" - not best dancer, not most improved, not most versatile, not the best technically trained/untrained - it's really a popularity contest. Even if it was sold as any of those things, it would still just be a popularity contest. But it's a weird popularity contest, because it's not about how many people like you, it's about how many votes you get. Since one person (or computer) can cast multiple (or many, many multiple) votes, there isn't necessarily a correlation between popularity and vote getting. This show and Idol are vote getting contests. Popularity is almost like a whole other animal.
tdugan333		#5491	[-]
Posts: 5128 (08/06/08 2:44 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Drew B wrote: I certainly watched every minute of last season's show, including auditions and Vegas, and I don't recall Twitch being such a major factor. Sure, he was up against Hok at the end, but Hok had gotten tons of screen time, both that season and the season before. Twitch was just another good B-boy from whom we hadn't seen much. Based just on what we saw last season, I can't imagine too many people carrying a torch for the guy a year later. Twitch isn't the only one who auditioned before. Katee failed to make the cut in season 2 AND season 3. Sure, we never saw her, but it's not like we saw THAT much of Twitch. Last year showed (with Sabra winning and Neil in the final four) that pre-finals attention is not an all-important factor. Last year's equivalent of Twitch was Hok (almost making it the year before, but not quite), and Hok didn't even make top 10... I'm one of the fans of the show with no idea about dance (training, move names etc) and I remembered Twitch from last season and was rooting him on in the beginning to make the top twenty. I was really happy when he did (kicks myself in the ass hahaha). Lots of goofy personality, what seemed like an "aw shucks you liked me?" attitude and he is pretty great in his genre. I wouldn't call it a torch necessarily, but myself and a few other people I talk about the show with definitely were rooting for him in the auditions this year solely based on the impression he made on us last season. Like him or hate him he is and was remembered by a lot of people a year later unlike any of the other dancers that were there again. I didn't even remember broken ankle had a baby contestant or the kid who lied about his age. In fact that is usually a topic of discussion amongst friends each season when the judges will say "we saw you last year..." and we all go huh? really? I don't remember him/her, but we all remembered Twitch.
Drew B		#5492	[-]
Posts: 3684 (08/06/08 2:48 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I didn't even remember broken ankle had a baby contestant or the kid who lied about his age. She was a very big deal, but she was season 2, not season 3. She missed season 3 because of her baby. The kid who lied about his age wasn't ever shown in his original appearance, I don't believe.
Remington Steele		#5493	[-]
Posts: 1492 (08/06/08 2:55 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	It's too bad about broken-ankle girl. I liked her in Season 2. Also the formerly underaged kid. I'm going to start calling you-know-who by his given name: Stephen Laurel. Not so "street" anymore. Which reminds me, that psycho with his mom every year is "Dave."
tdugan333		#5494	[-]
Posts: 5129 (08/06/08 2:56 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yep Drew I know that about broke ankle baby contestant and I've watched every season faithfully and dissected the eps with friends and she never rang a bell (I still for the life of me can't remember her name haha) other than in a vague story kind of way, but a lot of folks remember Twitch even before they replayed the "drama" of choosing between Hok and Twitch last season over and over and over in the beginning of this one. It's not really that big of a deal, but Twitch is definitely a great ambassador for this show for the average viewer to get caught up in the show for seasons to come. Hanson is correct and I made mention of it earlier, but who really has done anything or been in the limelight from winning this show other than coming back to choreograph routines for the new seasons? No one. Twitch can change all that. It's actually a match made in heaven for both Nigel and Twitch. Josh, Katee and the Troll (out of deference for SA hee hee) would not want that at all probably. Let me make it clear though. If my sweet sweet strong Josh doesn't win this show I will be floored. Motherfucking floored.
cindidindi76		#5495	[-]
Posts: 11797 (08/06/08 3:06 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	but a lot of folks remember Twitch even before they replayed the "drama" of choosing between Hok and Twitch last season over and over and over in the beginning of this one. And yet, before the show started, I don't remember a whole lot of "OMG I hope Twitch is back!!!", while there were numerous "I hope Claire is back!" and "I hope Chbeeb is back!". Okay, that second one may have just been me, lol. I don't get how Twitch could be some great ambassador for this show and do so much more than any other dance show winner and all that other crap. In the end, he's still just a dancer. And a mediocre one at that. If he does somehow win vomit, he'll do the same thing every other winner has done: An appearance on a talk show or two, some press crap, and possibly choreograph a routine or two in future seasons.
Screerider		#5496	[-]
Posts: 22381 (08/06/08 3:07 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Hanson wrote: But it's a weird popularity contest, because it's not about how many people like you, it's about how many votes you get. Since one person (or computer) can cast multiple (or many, many multiple) votes, there isn't necessarily a correlation between popularity and vote getting. This show and Idol are vote getting contests. Popularity is almost like a whole other animal. Well, a popularity contest does come down to votes, no matter how they're generated. Also, the idea is that all fanbases have access to the same tools to augment their voting, so everythings fair in that respect too.
Drew B		#5497	[-]
Posts: 3685 (08/06/08 3:10 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I think you all are WAY overestimating how in demand Twitch would be in the mainstream, but let's assume for a minute that what you say is correct, and that Twitch WOULD be highly in demand for movies, talk shows, music videos, etc. If he's that special and that great, he can do all of those things whether he wins or not. And the show can benefit from his future success whether he wins or not. Did the fact that Daughtry finished fourth or Boomie finished seventh stop "Idol" from basking in the legitimacy their later success provided? Hell, no! Therefore, that may be an argument for why he was chosen and why he was kept around while the judges still had a say, but it really doesn't justify hard-core manipulation... And if Twitch is not popular enough to win without the manipulation, what makes you think that he'll be so popular outside of the show?
Dire Potatoe		#5498	[-]
Posts: 3676 (08/06/08 3:33 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Yay. Courtney FTW.
lizzo1		#5499	[-]
Posts: 778 (08/06/08 3:54 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Drew B wrote: I think you all are WAY overestimating how in demand Twitch would be in the mainstream, but let's assume for a minute that what you say is correct, and that Twitch WOULD be highly in demand for movies, talk shows, music videos, etc. If he's that special and that great, he can do all of those things whether he wins or not. And the show can benefit from his future success whether he wins or not. Did the fact that Daughtry finished fourth or Boomie finished seventh stop "Idol" from basking in the legitimacy their later success provided? Hell, no! Therefore, that may be an argument for why he was chosen and why he was kept around while the judges still had a say, but it really doesn't justify hard-core manipulation... And if Twitch is not popular enough to win without the manipulation, what makes you think that he'll be so popular outside of the show? I think you have to take into account what Nigel thinks might happen if Twitch wins, not what people here think. We're practical, for the most part, and don't have egos as big as the Grand Canyon (ok, that metaphor sucks). I'm not sure if Nigel is delusional or not, after all, there wouldn't be a show at all without him, and we'd never have known any of these dancers, for the most part, and I have enjoyed most of it. He made a popular summer show, that's now a small franchise...I'm sure he thinks with the right winner, he could do more. And we are pawns in his evil plan
Remington Steele		#5500	[-]
Posts: 1493 (08/06/08 4:17 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Manor Road Secondary (Withensfield), approximately 1964, the fugly one on the bottom right:

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