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Francois40 |
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^ Yes, you're right, thanks ;-7
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Keyer2x |
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No questions asked with me, F3 sucks, and should only have been used as a one time twist. Things were just fine when it was F2. Their tampering with this rule, one of the most sacred parts of the game, has really spoiled the end game.Agree 100%. In fact, for me it just doesn't spoil the end game, it spoils the whole thing. I have not enjoyed the recent seasons as much, even in the early episodes because I know it's going to end in the F3. I know that's pathethic but the F3 is the worst thing the show has ever done. PLEASE CHANGE IT BACK. PLEASE. I don't know of one single person who actually prefers the F3 over the F2. And it doesn't even come close to fixing the "problems" Probst said it does (how one person can dominate the challenges and then pick an easy win at F3). Change it back, and get rid of the hidden idol too. Old school Survivor <3! |
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GodIsAnAtheist |
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Old school Survivor would never work. A lot of people (myself included) thought that by introducing the "twist" of no twists, it would actually
throw the Survivors off-balance. However, upon further reasoning, how much do players REALLY account for twists in their plans? They STILL make alliances
even though they could be broken up at any minute by a shuffle. They STILL alienate the minority members of their tribe. They STILL pagong minority
alliances, and only shift the game up when they are guaranteed to have enough votes to maintain majority (such as the Colby/Tina/Keith alliance shedding Jerri
and Amber while still maintaining majority). The only difference that arises from the twists are that the castaways are MENTALLY prepared for twists to occur
at any moment (even though they still bitch, complain, cry, and are shocked when one happens, for the most part). They don't ACTUALLY play the game any
differently.
IMO, one of the best and most awesome twists they've never done is the constant tribe swap. At every RC, the new tribes should be picked and locked in until after that week's IC, and then they'll rearrange again, and so on and so forth until we hit the jury phase. I've seen it happen in a couple ORGs, and it has played out with fantastic results EVERY time. Every single one. |
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Kirblar |
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The constant tribe swap doesn't work because then there are no consequences for voting someone off. Its part of the reason the F10 tribe swaps were a
mistake both times they were done.
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Keyer2x |
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The constant tribe swap doesn't work because then there are no consequences for voting someone off. Its part of the reason the F10 tribe swaps were a mistake both times they were done.Lex sure had a major consequence at his F10 tribe swap! |
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GodIsAnAtheist |
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Kirblar wrote: There are also no consequences for voting someone off when you have a majority alliance and you just pagong everyone. Without going into further detail, I
really don't think that is a logical explanation for why it wouldn't work.
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Kirblar |
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GodIsAnAtheist wrote: There ARE consequences, as those people are then on the Jury. But when booting people has no positive or negative repercussions, it fucks with the game. |
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ParvatiTheShallow |
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that is why i believe it is going back to final two this season. so that the plans they make for final three get messed up.
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Keyer2x |
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But when booting people has no positive or negative repercussions, it fucks with the game.Lex's had a HUGELY negative repercussion, no? |
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Kirblar |
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Keyer2x wrote: On his own tribe's performance? No. They merged immediately afterward.
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GodIsAnAtheist |
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Kirblar wrote: But...I'm talking about pre-jury. There usually aren't twists post-merge. And there ARE still consequences, regardless, because you are forced to
(theoretically) form new relationships every cycle, and thus the alliance lines get very blurred.
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Keyer2x |
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Oh ok, I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you meant that the two F10 swaps had ZERO impact on the game, when the one in All-Stars completely flipped
the game around and prevented the Lex/Kathy F2 it was heading for.
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Quiddity |
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ParvatiTheShallow wrote: Not gonna happen, unless they have an eight member jury, which they won't do :P |
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CSCin3D |
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I think the lesson is to view the idol as one time reprieve to get whoever you want voted out and save yourself for one TC. I doubt that anyone will ever NOT
use it again in any other season after this season, especially after the merge.
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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I just realized that this season had 3 back to back episodes so far where an idol was involved. Eliza's boot, Ozzy's boot, and this one, and none of
them worked out for said holder. Is that some kind of Survivor record?
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hagiz1 |
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XtremeInnovator420 wrote: and dont forget next episode when the next idol is found |
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XtremeInnovator420 |
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Yeah. That being said...do you think the person who goes to Exile Island goes home again this week? (non-spoiler of course, just spec)
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craig |
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Maybe if you have a target and are a threat already. But if Parv\Amanda\Cirie found it next they'd probably be safe, because they majority wants to bring them to F4. The best person to have idol = ally you want to face in F3. Blindsiding the idol early raisies the problem that someone like Jason could get it. |
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hagiz1 |
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the problem with the hidden idol is when you get blinsided. you wont even have a chance to use it.
I mean you have about 5-6 TC after the merge How do you know which TC you should use the idol at? |
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GodIsAnAtheist |
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The HII can be used in a plethora of ways. The problem is that everyone pretty much figures out who has it, and so that person then has to gauge whether or
not he's in danger. Ozzy/Jason/James were fooled into a false sense of security, and thus didn't feel like they had to use it. Yau and Yul used
theirs to the max of their ability. Terry and Earl were never in danger, so they didn't really need to use the idol. And the 4 Horsemen were outplayed
and used theirs in the wrong situation.
IF the HII could be played in such a way as to take out the person who holds the majority alliance(s) together (such as Todd, Parvati, Yul, maybe Aras/Cirie), it really could change the game instead of just allowing them a one TC reprieve. |
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