Top 20 Survivor Players of All Time

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Quiddity		#121	[-]
Posts: 2551 (05/18/08 9:39 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	but OMG, mtj said so so it must be true!!!!!!
mtj1282		#122	[-]
Posts: 1148 (05/18/08 12:35 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	ShanesThinkingSeat wrote: While a case can be made that the higher you place, the better player you are, you can't honestly tell me that Kim J. outplayed Lex, Scout outplayed Twila, or Lill outplayed JFP... Kim J was the sole reason lex lost as she sent him out. Same with JFP and same with cirie and amanda. How can cirie be a better player than the person who voted her out (amanda)?
mtj1282		#123	[-]
Posts: 1149 (05/18/08 12:43 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	" Thats not what you said. You said "there is no right or wrong way to play". B.B. pissed everyone off with his over the top work ethic and used the tribe's drinking water to wash his shirt. He clearly did play the game wrong. Just that single example completely blows up any credibility to what you said. " its not what i said, but its what i meant, which is why i clarfied myself. when someone startes a sentence and says "what I meant was" that means that they are about to tell you what the meant. they are clarifing themselves. "You're not gonna bother getting in a discussion with me? What the hell are you talking to me for?" I was responding to a post of yours and realized after reading your post that a. your immature and b. you shouldnt be posting on these boards because you cant handle others opinions and try to pass of your own opinions as facts, and in addition to that have little knowledage of the game. If someone needs to use a player from the first season to try and back up there point when there have been many seasons since then that they cant think of an example from, there is a reason. The reason is that there not familiarn enough with the game to be able to carry on a discussion about it. Proof taht you cant carry on a discussion is that instead of discussing in a mature fashion you start to insult people. Try to get it through that peanut sized brain of yours that the simpleton way of thinking that "the runner up is better than the third placer simply because they got to 2nd instead of third" is not the correct logic when it comes to Survivor, where threats are usually eliminated before the finals and goats get further than them. see above where i addressed the part of insulting people and the reason you do it. Just to reiterate it - you insult people becuase you cant carry on a discussion because you are not very knowledgable about the subject.
mtj1282		#124	[-]
Posts: 1150 (05/18/08 12:44 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colorofcoils wrote: >Try to get it through that peanut sized brain of yours that the simpleton way of thinking that "the runner up is better than the third placer simply because they got to 2nd instead of third" is not the correct logic when it comes to Survivor, where threats are usually eliminated before the finals and goats get further than them. The problem with your logic is that threats aren't neccesarily good players. The better you place, the better you have played. That is how it works. Katie finishing 2nd means she was the 2nd best player on her season, whether you like her strategy or not. She certainly played better than Ian because Ian failed to finish 2nd, unlike Katie. Katie will never be the best player on her season, that was Tom. T.ears? exactly. thankfully most posters here at sucks agree with us cause there real fans and are knowledgable about the game.
mtj1282		#125	[-]
Posts: 1151 (05/18/08 12:46 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colorofcoils wrote: Oh and Scout didn't outplay Twila. Sorry I missed that. T.ears? Scout finished 3rd, Twila finished 2nd. correct. and in additon to that scout said that if she made the final two she would have told the jury to vote for twila becaus she couldnt live with herself standing between a sinlge mother with three jobs and a million dollars. thats more proof of twila being a better player as twila would never have done that for anyone.
mtj1282		#126	[-]
Posts: 1152 (05/18/08 12:48 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Bobby Jon goes apeshit wrote: mtj1282 wrote: shes the best player next to the winners. Someone who fails to gain the majority votes in the final tribal not once but twice. Someone who goes to the finals against people she has absolutely no shot at winning agaisnt, and proceeds to break down and cry while giving the worst final tribal council performance ever is the best player to never win? Wow... well how can people who never even made it to the final tribal be better canidates? atleast she made it to the end twice!
mtj1282		#127	[-]
Posts: 1154 (05/18/08 12:53 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colorofcoils wrote: The person who places better is always the better player until it comes down to the F2 or F3. At that point the jury decides who plays the better game, and the under the radar player isn't necessarily the best player anymore. T.ears? quiddity will never understand this concept though! ETA: Just looked at quidditys profile and he is a male! Cant be any older than 12! What kinda male spends his time on the internet insulting people? Last Edited By: mtj1282 05/18/08 12:59 PM. Edited 1 times.
ShanesThinkingSeat		#128	[-]
Posts: 365 (05/18/08 1:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	mtj1282 wrote: ShanesThinkingSeat wrote: While a case can be made that the higher you place, the better player you are, you can't honestly tell me that Kim J. outplayed Lex, Scout outplayed Twila, or Lill outplayed JFP... Kim J was the sole reason lex lost as she sent him out. Same with JFP and same with cirie and amanda. How can cirie be a better player than the person who voted her out (amanda)? How can Cirie be a better player than Amanda? She's a better planner, better at thinking ahead, and an overall better strategizer. Amanda, if not for the HII, was toast at F6.
GrenadeJumper85		#129	[-]
Posts: 4797 (05/18/08 1:57 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	How can cirie be a better player than the person who voted her out (amanda)? Uuuuh, winning a final challenge doesn't make you a better player, because that's essentially what separates Cirie and Amanda. Amanda was a horrible player because she set herself up to lose no matter who she took to the final two. Cirie is the better player because she set herself up that no matter who took her, she'd win, thats why she was voted out because she was unbeatable, and that is the mark of a GOOD Survivor player. Getting one slot higher them someone else doesn't make you a better player, sometimes you get dealt crappy hands. Tracy this season was a great example of that. I thought she was probably one of the top players this season but she got dealt a crappy hand and wasn't that much she could do about it. Amanda is like any other generic player. Put her on any season and she'll go far, yes. Win, no.
PJMichaelangelo		#130	[-]
Posts: 93 (05/18/08 2:02 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Quiddity doesn't understand your concept because it makes no sense. By your logic, Chet was a better player than Joel, and if you think that's true then I've got some swampland in Florida to sell you. Placement is just one out of many factors to look at when analyzing how good a player is. Looking again at Micronesia, both Parvati and Cirie wanted to take Amanda with them to the final TC because they thought she'd be easier to beat than the other. Conversely, neither Amanda or Parvati wanted to take Cirie with them because they were afraid of going in front of a jury against her. By looking at their mindset and actions, it's clear that Cirie was considered the better player than Amanda, which is why Parvati cut her loose. You seem to be arguing that being a goat is a valid strategy. No it's not. The goal of Survivor is to win. A goat, by definition, has no shot of winning. How can a strategy that has zero chance of getting you the win be a valid strategy?
mtj1282		#131	[-]
Posts: 1156 (05/18/08 2:06 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: How can cirie be a better player than the person who voted her out (amanda)? Uuuuh, winning a final challenge doesn't make you a better player, because that's essentially what separates Cirie and Amanda. Amanda was a horrible player because she set herself up to lose no matter who she took to the final two. Cirie is the better player because she set herself up that no matter who took her, she'd win, thats why she was voted out because she was unbeatable, and that is the mark of a GOOD Survivor player. Getting one slot higher them someone else doesn't make you a better player, sometimes you get dealt crappy hands. Tracy this season was a great example of that. I thought she was probably one of the top players this season but she got dealt a crappy hand and wasn't that much she could do about it. Amanda is like any other generic player. Put her on any season and she'll go far, yes. Win, no. Cirie won no challenges. Challenges are a huge part of the game. There are usually two challenges per episode, both can have a huge impact on the game. Reward challengs allow for social bonding/strategizing/exposing alliances. Immuntiy challenges are kinda self explanatory, i dont think i need to explain to you what the implications are when it comes to immunity challanges. But if you need to have it explained to you let me know. Amanda winning the immunity challenge is a positive thing. You people try to use it against her by saying that its the only reason she did better than cirie, which we cant say with 100% certainty is true. " thats why she was voted out because she was unbeatable, and that is the mark of a GOOD Survivor player. " an even better survivor player is one that can keep themsevles from being voted out (Amanda). Lets see cirie has been voted out twice (i realize losing the fire challenge may not be considred geting voted out but it had the same outcome - she went to the jury!), therefore a player thats never been voted out is automatically the better player. Take note that the way I state my sentences implies it is fact not opinion. The reason for this is because IT IS FACT!! Amanda is a greater player than cirie.
mtj1282		#132	[-]
Posts: 1157 (05/18/08 2:11 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	PJMichaelangelo wrote: Quiddity doesn't understand your concept because it makes no sense. By your logic, Chet was a better player than Joel, and if you think that's true then I've got some swampland in Florida to sell you. Placement is just one out of many factors to look at when analyzing how good a player is. Looking again at Micronesia, both Parvati and Cirie wanted to take Amanda with them to the final TC because they thought she'd be easier to beat than the other. Conversely, neither Amanda or Parvati wanted to take Cirie with them because they were afraid of going in front of a jury against her. By looking at their mindset and actions, it's clear that Cirie was considered the better player than Amanda, which is why Parvati cut her loose. You seem to be arguing that being a goat is a valid strategy. No it's not. The goal of Survivor is to win. A goat, by definition, has no shot of winning. How can a strategy that has zero chance of getting you the win be a valid strategy? the problem is there is not a set way of playing the game or set factors used in analyzing game play. Usually its a matter of opinion but when it comes to a situation like, whose the better player,cirie or amanda?, its different. Amanda is the greater player and thats a fact! Why waste your time arguing about this? Im right your wrong! How bout we leave it at that and let you go back to making your inaccurate pointless lists!??!??!
beatles20147		#133	[-]
Posts: 11575 (05/18/08 2:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	mtj1282 wrote: ShanesThinkingSeat wrote: While a case can be made that the higher you place, the better player you are, you can't honestly tell me that Kim J. outplayed Lex, Scout outplayed Twila, or Lill outplayed JFP... Kim J was the sole reason lex lost as she sent him out. Same with JFP and same with cirie and amanda. How can cirie be a better player than the person who voted her out (amanda)? And if it weren't for a production mistake, Kim might have been fourth place. And if it weren't for a major twist, Lill would have been 14th place. Ultimately, yeah, Katie made more money than Ian for her Survivor stint, and Matt made more money than Cesternino. And that's pretty much all that matters in the real world, but it's ridiculous to say that someone who (intentionally or unintentionally) is playing for second place and gets that is a better player than someone who actually has a chance at winning the game but ends up in third or fourth place, or even later.
mtj1282		#134	[-]
Posts: 1159 (05/18/08 2:23 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	beatles20147 wrote: mtj1282 wrote: ShanesThinkingSeat wrote: While a case can be made that the higher you place, the better player you are, you can't honestly tell me that Kim J. outplayed Lex, Scout outplayed Twila, or Lill outplayed JFP... Kim J was the sole reason lex lost as she sent him out. Same with JFP and same with cirie and amanda. How can cirie be a better player than the person who voted her out (amanda)? And if it weren't for a production mistake, Kim might have been fourth place. And if it weren't for a major twist, Lill would have been 14th place. Ultimately, yeah, Katie made more money than Ian for her Survivor stint, and Matt made more money than Cesternino. And that's pretty much all that matters in the real world, but it's ridiculous to say that someone who (intentionally or unintentionally) is playing for second place and gets that is a better player than someone who actually has a chance at winning the game but ends up in third or fourth place, or even later. Once MB knows the outcome he writes a story. He himself has said many times that he is a story teller and survivor is unscripted drama , not reality tv. Meaning that sometimes what we are shown isnt really what happened Many of the people that fans would say were playing for second place really werent. Its the editing. Once MB knows the winner, he will give us a reason why the won (not always the real reason) and he will give us a reason why the runner up lost (not always the real reason). Had runner ups not been runner ups and won while playing the exact same way, we wouldnt be saying they were playing for second place. Its the editing. For example, suppose katie won palua and everything we were shown was exaclty how it happened, would you say that ian and Tom still played better than her? Lets say everything happend as we were shown this season, but the only difference is that amanda won, would you still say cirie is the better player? What if cirie really wasnt a threat, but the editing made us think that? Thats a possibility! What I am getting at is that there is a reason they made it to where they did and it isnt always the reason we think. They can only show us so much! Last Edited By: mtj1282 05/18/08 2:27 PM. Edited 3 times.
Quiddity		#135	[-]
Posts: 2552 (05/18/08 2:34 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	First off mtj, you're spamming big time. Learn to use the edit button. It does exist, you know! I know you suddenly are good friends with fanofcoils, but please, don't emulate his spamming nature. Kim J was the sole reason lex lost as she sent him out. Same with JFP and same with cirie and amanda. How can cirie be a better player than the person who voted her out (amanda)? Because Cirie would have beaten Amanda facing the jury, would have beaten Parvati, and would have beaten both of them at once. Amanda knew that Cirie was a better player than her who would beat her, why do you think she voted her out?! its not what i said, but its what i meant, which is why i clarfied myself. when someone startes a sentence and says "what I meant was" that means that they are about to tell you what the meant. they are clarifing themselves. Wow, I never knew that! Is there multiple strategies that can be used to win this game? Certainly. So there, we are in agreeance. Which strategy is the best to use though, will probably vary depending on the season. For example, the ultra UTR do nothing strategy Amber used in ASS wouldn't have worked in most other seasons. see above where i addressed the part of insulting people and the reason you do it. Just to reiterate it - you insult people becuase you cant carry on a discussion because you are not very knowledgable about the subject. RAMONE!!!! THIS SHIT FOR BRAINS NOBODY DARES TO INSULT ME!?!?! OMG!!!!! exactly. thankfully most posters here at sucks agree with us cause there real fans and are knowledgable about the game. Actually, the only person that seems to agree with you is the troll. Who probably doesn't even mean a single thing he says. Although I think there may be one or two other delusional Amanda fanboys on the sucks side. So you might have 2 or 3 total. Wow. correct. and in additon to that scout said that if she made the final two she would have told the jury to vote for twila becaus she couldnt live with herself standing between a sinlge mother with three jobs and a million dollars. thats more proof of twila being a better player as twila would never have done that for anyone. Twila certainly was a much better player than Scout. Not any argument there. ETA: Just looked at quidditys profile and he is a male! Cant be any older than 12! What kinda male spends his time on the internet insulting people? What kinda male spend all his time on the internet fawning over a girl (Amanda) he will never get, no matter how delusional he is about her and how much he tries to support her crappy finish? Cirie won no challenges. Challenges are a huge part of the game. There are usually two challenges per episode, both can have a huge impact on the game. Reward challengs allow for social bonding/strategizing/exposing alliances. Immuntiy challenges are kinda self explanatory, i dont think i need to explain to you what the implications are when it comes to immunity challanges. But if you need to have it explained to you let me know. Amanda winning the immunity challenge is a positive thing. You people try to use it against her by saying that its the only reason she did better than cirie, which we cant say with 100% certainty is true. Amanda certainly is a better challenge performer than Cirie. But challenges is only 1/3 of the equation. Cirie is a much better strategic and social player than Amanda. And that is why Cirie is a better player than Amanda. an even better survivor player is one that can keep themsevles from being voted out (Amanda). Lets see cirie has been voted out twice (i realize losing the fire challenge may not be considred geting voted out but it had the same outcome - she went to the jury!), therefore a player thats never been voted out is automatically the better player. Take note that the way I state my sentences implies it is fact not opinion. The reason for this is because IT IS FACT!! Amanda is a greater player than cirie. Again, the goal of the game is not to never get voted out, it is to never get voted out AND get the majority of the jury votes. Which Amanda has failed to do twice. Yeah, she beat Cirie in the final immunity challenge. Wow. One challenge win does not outdo the much better strategic and social game that Cirie displayed. the problem is there is not a set way of playing the game or set factors used in analyzing game play. Usually its a matter of opinion but when it comes to a situation like, whose the better player,cirie or amanda?, its different. Amanda is the greater player and thats a fact! Why waste your time arguing about this? Im right your wrong! How bout we leave it at that and let you go back to making your inaccurate pointless lists!??!??! Wait a second here. Your entire point is that Amanda's 2nd place finish versus Cirie's 3rd place finish automatically makes Amanda a better player than Cirie. In other words, using a set, rigid way to analyze their gameplay. Then you come out and say there is not a set way or set factor when analyzing game play?!?! LoL!!!!! You really are a hypocritical dumbass aren't you! In conclusion, you're an absolute joke, mtj. An absolute joke. Amanda doesn't want to have sex with you. When you realize that, maybe you'll start thinking more logically and will end this delusion about how she's a so much better player than Cirie.
GrenadeJumper85		#136	[-]
Posts: 4798 (05/18/08 2:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Why do I feed the trolls? The mere thought of "Amanda is a better player then Cirie" is completely laughable, so I'm not even going to entertain that thought any longer.
Quiddity		#137	[-]
Posts: 2554 (05/18/08 2:41 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	GrenadeJumper85 wrote: Why do I feed the trolls? The mere thought of "Amanda is a better player then Cirie" is completely laughable, so I'm not even going to entertain that thought any longer. After this post, I say we just start treating him like our good friend ReducedCaffeine until he boardicides like she did. :P
mtj1282		#138	[-]
Posts: 1161 (05/18/08 2:51 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Wow, I never knew that! Is there multiple strategies that can be used to win this game? Certainly. So there, we are in agreeance. Which strategy is the best to use though, will probably vary depending on the season. For example, the ultra UTR do nothing strategy Amber used in ASS wouldn't have worked in most other seasons. While that wasnt her stratedgy, the stratedgy that she did implement has worked in other seasons! What kinda male spend all his time on the internet fawning over a girl (Amanda) he will never get, no matter how delusional he is about her and how much he tries to support her crappy finish? Im a male? thats news to me! Amanda certainly is a better challenge performer than Cirie. But challenges is only 1/3 of the equation. Cirie is a much better strategic and social player than Amanda. And that is why Cirie is a better player than Amanda. I dont understand why you keep saying this when I already explained to you why that isnt even a possibility. For the final time: AMANDA IS THE BETTER PLAYER AND THATS A FACT!! an even better survivor player is one that can keep themsevles from being voted out (Amanda). Lets see cirie has been voted out twice (i realize losing the fire challenge may not be considred geting voted out but it had the same outcome - she went to the jury!), therefore a player thats never been voted out is automatically the better player. Take note that the way I state my sentences implies it is fact not opinion. The reason for this is because IT IS FACT!! Amanda is a greater player than cirie. "Again, the goal of the game is not to never get voted out, it is to never get voted out AND get the majority of the jury votes. Which Amanda has failed to do twice. Yeah, she beat Cirie in the final immunity challenge. Wow. One challenge win does not outdo the much better strategic and social game that Cirie displayed. " And how sucessfuly has cirie been at geting to the end AND getting the majority of the jury votes? Amanda atleast accomplised one of the two!
JonathanPDisciple		#139	[-]
Posts: 19 (05/18/08 2:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Jonathan Christ is not on the list. FAIL
mtj1282		#140	[-]
Posts: 1162 (05/18/08 2:54 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Quiddity wrote: GrenadeJumper85 wrote: Why do I feed the trolls? The mere thought of "Amanda is a better player then Cirie" is completely laughable, so I'm not even going to entertain that thought any longer. After this post, I say we just start treating him like our good friend ReducedCaffeine until he boardicides like she did. :P Except I am much more credible than the two of you as a poster. Ill be here quite often for gabon so get use to me proving you wrong over and over again! You really shouldnt even be posting to begin with! This is for survivor fans that understand the game and like to discuss the game. You throw out insults and cant carry a discussion. Once someone proves you wrong you resort to name calling! Since this discussion is going nowhere as I doubt you will admit your wrong, this will be my last post in response to you!

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