The coin toss winner was the better player because they won according to the rules. It is a small victory, but a victory nonetheless.
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Official "Worst.Winner.Ever" Thread also, what makes the best player best?
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Posts: 6238 (12/03/08 11:16 AM) Registered user |
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Screerider |
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Posts: 23140 (12/03/08 1:05 PM) Registered user |
So how did he "play" differently?
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6242 (12/03/08 5:10 PM) Registered user |
He didn't, he won totally through good luck, which was the point of the coin toss. The Mole also has luck, and it is something that cannot be ignored. The
winner is naturally the best player through many means, one of which is having the best luck. This should not count against someone.
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Posts: 23145 (12/03/08 5:29 PM) Registered user |
So he's not a "better player" than the other player, since they played the game the same way, but because he won the coin toss, he's the
"best player"?
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6243 (12/03/08 6:01 PM) Registered user |
He won because of what the game required, luck, therefore he had what was required to win, therefore he was "better". The Mole is more convoluted, which is why we are having this discussion. |
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Posts: 23147 (12/03/08 7:29 PM) Registered user |
So he was a "better" player, even though the other guy played the exact same way?
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6260 (12/03/08 7:32 PM) Registered user |
Not a "player", as there is no "play" involved, but since he was lucky, he should be thought of as luckier than the other.
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Posts: 119 (12/03/08 7:47 PM) |
I'm going to go ahead and argue that The Mole is actually the best player, regardless of the season, because he or she always finishes in the top 2 (and
taken over the course of many many seasons, including international ones, we could call this a significant sample size) and aces every single quiz.
Considering The Mole is also subject to elimination, that is a pretty amazing feat.
Also, the worst winner ever would be Dennis Rodman because a man without a strategy does not a good winner make. |
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Mateui |
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Posts: 2308 (12/03/08 8:41 PM) Registered user |
greenscreener wrote:Where did you hear that???? |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6264 (12/03/08 8:43 PM) Registered user |
So the Mole could be theoretically executed if everyone gets a perfect score and they have the slowest time?
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Mateui |
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Posts: 2310 (12/03/08 9:14 PM) Registered user |
"Since Bill's old age affected his eyesight and made his performance on last night's quiz suffer, our Mole unfortunately had the lowest score and was sent home yesterday. We will be now selecting a new Mole. Any questions?" 
"Sounds good to us!" Bill: "Gosh darn it!" Katie: "Pick me, pick me!! I never get chosen for anything" Al: "Bill, what are you still doing here? Go away, you're blocking my view" Darwin: "... Guys, I'm telling you, Bill is NOT the Mole" Bill: "But I have a contract to stay on for the entire season...." Heather: "If I'm the Mole, does that mean I don't need an exemption?" Elavia: "I don't need to be the Mole, everyone already thinks I am... muahahaha" Dorothy: "Doesn't matter to me, I'm so smart I'll figure out who the new Mole is right away with my azn skills"
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6269 (12/03/08 9:23 PM) Registered user |
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greenscreener |
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Posts: 120 (12/04/08 1:58 AM) |
Allow me to explain: every player has to take the quiz while a lawyer working for the production company times them to maintain the game's integrity in
case of a tie. The lawyer is not in on who The Mole is, so The Mole must take the quiz as fast as he/she can. It is ultimately up to the lawyer to report
everyone's quiz times.
Read Bill's book. He talks about this and how it adds stress to The Mole's game. To further the stress, only a select few on the production crew (maybe 5) know the identity of The Mole. |
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Mateui |
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Posts: 2311 (12/04/08 10:13 AM) Registered user |
greenscreener wrote:The lawyer timing is kind of pointless isn't it? If they begin to see that one specific person constantly finishes quizzes in a blazing fast time with awesome scores week by week I'm sure they'll deduce who the Mole is pretty fast. It just seems so dumb that the Mole is able to execute himself.. it just goes against the whole premise of the game. Meh. |
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Posts: 23148 (12/04/08 11:16 AM) Registered user |
Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:Well, imagine that. Sounds like you're agreeing with me: Screerider wrote: |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6272 (12/04/08 4:21 PM) Registered user |
Because it was a coin toss.
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Screerider |
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Posts: 23158 (12/04/08 4:49 PM) Registered user |
So it's an exception to your "winner = best player" axiom?
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6273 (12/04/08 4:53 PM) Registered user |
No, because the game of a coin toss asks for nothing more than luck. Since it is such a simple game, people use it as a counterexample.
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Posts: 23159 (12/04/08 5:01 PM) Registered user |
So the winner of a single coin toss is still the "best player", even though you also say he's 'not a "player", as there is no
"play" involved'. Perhaps it's your definitions of "play" and "player" we need to examine.
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Posts: 6274 (12/04/08 5:12 PM) Registered user |
He is a participant, and thus a player. Not a "player" in the strictest terms, in which you're right, we need a definitive definition for "player", but the coin toss is still a game. Since he won that coin toss, he was the lucky one, which means he did what was required, and thus "best". Multiple coin tosses would determine who is luckier over a certain period of time. The Mole is far too complex to compare to a coin toss. |
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