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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Thank you for expressing in a clearer way my thoughts
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Will |
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But haven't we already established that the show didn't break any rules? Therefore it was a legitimate win. :)
As long as you admit you're being subjective over this...
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Are you telling me that the production staff was stupid enough not to know that they couldn't poll the audience on whether Eric should use the veto on people the audience didn't even know was nominated? It was impossible for the audience to vote on whether Eric shuld use the veto, and we can only assume that this meant they did it delibertly, especially after strong evidence that they manipulated people into voting a certain way previously |
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Will |
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Oh I'm sure the Producers told him not to win it and Eric won it with the hope that he'd be able to do something behind America's back (who would
have told him not to use it anyway). But since it was something that they weren't able to have America vote on, the obvious result is that America's
Player, without guidance from America has to keep the status quo.
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Which means they were trying to keep the present course. Americas Player has a right to win HOH or veto, but since its impossible to relay the results to the
audience ahead of schedule, they needed to make some sort of adjustment. Eithe rlet him make his own decision,or let the live feed viewers decide.
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ThurgreedMarshall wrote:That's what I've been saying all along. And I've never discounted Mark's skills. I just don't think that they, by themselves, and/or combined with his win, render him the "best" player. As you say, "Based on the information we have" we couldn't say such a thing.
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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I've been saying all along that since Mark won, he is the best player. If he lost 9 out of 10 times, he would not be. It is a simple concept and logically sound, dare I say infallible? |
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Screerider |
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That's not what you said before. You said the player who lost 9 out of 10 was the best player... in that one game he won. Otherwise, the player that won
9 times out of 10 was the best.
You either have multiple Best Players or the ficklest Fantardness I've seen. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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"Best player" to me is probably very similar if not identical to what you have in mind, I just find your him hawing to be biased. You say we "need more data". Why? There likely won't be multiple games witht he same players, so we won't get that data,ever. Mark won through virtue of the rules, whoever wins the game played the game best, it makes no difference on whether you were impressed by it. You and your call for data have shown that you don't care about data unless it fits into your biased frame of reference. It has already been demonstrated that discovering the Moles identity is only one part of the game. I've said it a mILLION times before, if you have a problem with the quiz, give us a better way to judge the players. |
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Screerider |
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You say we "need more data". Why?Based on insufficient data, "best" is undetermined. Even Marshall gets that, and he's a Mark fan. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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And how do you suppose we get it?Actually, I am a Mark "fan", but not obsessive. I just don't see how the loser could be better then the winner
in an individual game.
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Screerider |
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Obviously, you don't.
And I suppose the first step necessary to get more data is savethemole.com. We'll see after that. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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You just come off as so pretentious and full of shit, no disrespect intended. You know and I know that you can't compare The Mole to a poker tournament. It's silly to even make such a comparison. Anyway, I'm still interested in you trying to refute Marks game. |
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Screerider |
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I can and I did make the poker comparison. I even compared it to tossing a coin. I was going to haul out professional boxing and/or the Prisoner's
Dilemma if I had to. It really didn't matter what Game I compared it to. Poker was just one the I felt illustrated the "better" versus
"worse" strategies in regards to whether they always determine a win (hint: it doesn't).
Mark played an OK game. Lucky stiff even won. Kudos. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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You don't count luck as a factor in ones placement? Without good luck , a person CAN'T win,or go far. Paul was not observent, for example, he made an
educated guess, as did Mark in the final quiz and as did Nicole several times.
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Screerider |
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Even though "playing the odds" is repeatable, luck isn't. You could win a Game by being lucky, but it doesn't mean you can consistently do
it again and again. You need to bring other skills to consistently progress in the Game. E.G. avoid having to get lucky in the first place, by, like, knowing
the right answer, so you don't have to guess. That's a good one.
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
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Yes, and if they all played subsequent games, we can assume they would all get progressivly better at it. Mark would get better, Nicole would, etc. There might
be different Moles if were dealing with the identical cast, and who knows what different factors will come into play. This isn't speculation, you are
guessing, GUESSING that Nicole would be a better long term player. Based on nothing but an educated guess, you have no data. We do have data that Mark managed
to win. You're being a baby because you don't like the guy.
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Screerider |
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I've said nothing about Nicole being a "better" Player, have I?
All I've said is we don't know who's a "better" Player. Insufficient data and all that jazz. No guessing needed. |
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Best player=winner. If there is more then one game, then a crossexamination is needed. It is that simple. Luck is a major factor for everyone, and Marks good luck should be counted as an attribute of himself, as well as his test taking skills. |
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I'll go as far as saying "winner = luckiest player". Not "best". There's no such thing as "best coin toss results
getter."
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