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bob2559 |
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Still waiting for an Obama supporter to meet my challenge.
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memyselfandi |
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bob2559 wrote: Are you talking about the immigration stuff? GreJu posted some information on the previous page. But I guess to repost it:
But if immigration is your biggest issue, you probably should vote for Bob Barr since Barack Obama and John McCain both supported the same comprehensive immigration reform plan. |
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Joan Crawford |
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Had to add this here ....
I am actually ashamed. I just had a convo with my mother who admitted she will not vote for Obama because he is black. She states the "celebrities" in Hollywood and Oprah. She says that sports has too many black athletes who are money hungry. She will vote McCain because he is white. WOW ... I am just at a loss of words. To watch my own mother go on a diatribe about black people just amazed me. After 10 minutes I couldn't listen anymore and I said some very hateful things to her. I wish I was an orphan ............ |
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Vicconius |
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Did you beat her with a wire hanger? Again?
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Joan Crawford |
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Vicconius wrote:I am probably late to the party ... but are you an American? |
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candi7of9 |
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McCain:
The good man in the cell next door, my friend Bob Craner, saved me. Through taps on a wall he told me I had fought as hard as I could. No man can always stand alone. And then he told me to get back up and fight again for our country and for the men I had the honor to serve with. Because every day they fought for me.Obama: That's the promise of America - the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper. McCain: I fell in love with my country when I was a prisoner in someone else's. I loved it not just for the many comforts of life here. I loved it for its decency; for its faith in the wisdom, justice and goodness of its people. I loved it because it was not just a place, but an idea, a cause worth fighting for. I was never the same again. I wasn't my own man anymore. I was my country's.Obama: So I've got news for you, John McCain. We all put our country first.McCain: I've been an imperfect servant of my country for many years. But I have been her servant first, last and always. And I've never lived a day, in good times or bad, that I didn't thank God for the privilege Obama: America, we cannot turn back. Not with so much work to be done. Not with so many children to educate, and so many veterans to care for. Not with an economy to fix and cities to rebuild and farms to save. Not with so many families to protect and so many lives to mend. America, we cannot turn back. We cannot walk alone. At this moment, in this election, we must pledge once more to march into the future. Let us keep that promise - that American promise - and in the words of Scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess. McCain: Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight. Nothing is inevitable here. We're Americans, and we never give up. We never quit. We never hide from history. We make history. |
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Trixie Delight |
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Nonentitled wrote: The difference is Sarah isn't positioning herself as a rock star/celebrity like Oblahba. He has courted the famewhores and makes himself available in case Oprah wants to lick his asscrack. I'd say the press coverage she's gotten has been quite a bit different from the fawning he generally gets, don't you? |
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Joan Crawford |
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Trixie Delight wrote: Very curious, Trixie are you a Palin supporter? |
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donbrasco4 |
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bob2559 wrote: Listening to how his plan will cut the taxes of 95% of of taxpayers, I have to ask a simple question... How many new jobs will that create? Are the people who are going to receive these tax breaks going to start new businesses and hire out of work people? Not likely, it's the five percent he's planning to soak who are the ones who create new jobs by business investment and creation. The top heavy tax cut in 2002 possibly helped the economy out of recession, but let's be real, people earning 204k or more (top 5%) didn't exactly plow it right back into the job market. Plus the recession was just a natural reaction to the absolute mania in the stock market up to 2000. And how would you explain the 8 straight months of job losses this year, there haven't been any major fed tax overhauls since 02 but the market is re-correcting, with or without government intervention. I agree that the 95% of taxpayers probably aren't going to create a bunch of new jobs either - imo fed tax policy doesn't control the job market like a puppeteer. If he's really so worried about the unemployment rate, then what is his plan on illegal immigrants who help to keep the low end of wages down by working below minimum wage and off the books? What about foreign worker visa programs (like the H1b) that are taking formerly high paying jobs from U.S. citizens and handing them to visa workers at half the salary? I thought you were a libertarian, you know, the party that supports immigration of all kinds in search of that holy grail of pure free market capitalism. Wouldn't the libertarians want h1b workers and illegals? I know you're a programmer though, and you've probably seen Indian h1b employees working at half the cost of an American programmer/IT worker. Obama's illegal immigration policy is on his website. Do we just kick out all the h1b workers? They're just trying to provide for a family here like everyone else. To your other points about talking about Obama not being specific enough, he has been giving fairly detailed economic town hall meetings, but I agree that it could be more detailed. |
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Trixie Delight |
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And how would you explain the 8 straight months of job losses this year,You can look right at the construction and housing collapse for that. The ripple effects of forclosures, maxing out equity credit lines and the reduction of consumer spending have all contributed to that. Some areas are more effected than others depending on how diversified their local job markets are. Throw in the monkey wrench of higher fuel costs and here we sit. You think Obama's tax hikes on the rich will pay for all the entitlements he wants? He is planning to eliminate the tax cuts on the middle class that Bush enacted after 911, plus go back to the marriage penalty tax and increase our payroll taxes as well. We're all going to be paying for national healthcare and if you think the war is costly, wait till you see how much that one little gem will cost everyone. |
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Beefcake |
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I'm really tired of Dems claiming that all of the country's economic problems are somehow connected to Bush's economic policy. Do they really not
grasp the basic concept of market cycles?
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Joan Crawford |
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Trixie Delight wrote: Trixie, I have always loved your post yet your are uniformed. |
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Joan Crawford |
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B DeBrun |
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Q for the Obamamists:
Is there a modern example of a booming US economy spurred by steep tax hikes (as opposed to tax cuts) on the scale proposed by Obama? Be interesting to see what 45 minutes of furious googling will turn up. |
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Joan Crawford |
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B DeBrun wrote:Q for the idiots ... Where have you obtained the information about "steep tax hikes?" p.s. See the post two above this. |
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PassionatePiscesMan |
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Obama came down from My Olympus to accept his nomination.
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Beefcake |
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By the time we pay for all of Obama's promises, the tax rate on every worker will be 100%.
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Quiddity |
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Joan Crawford wrote: You already admitted in your above post about the steep tax hikes that Obama plans to implement. If you honestly think that taking away money thats invested in job creation and supporting business growth is better used completely wasted on overblown, failing government entitlement programs that cause more harm than good (such as destroying the black family, getting the US into an absurd amoung of debt, the list goes on and on and on...) then you're a fool! :P |
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PassionatePiscesMan |
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So where in the budget are earmarks?
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B DeBrun |
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Joan Crawford wrote: I see you are talking to yourself, so I am going to speak s l o w l y and repeat the question: Is there a modern example of a booming US economy spurred by steep tax hikes (as opposed to tax cuts) on the scale proposed by Obama? The question wasn't whether the middle class would or would not see a tax benefit. I'm enjoying your latest ghostnic.. it's always amusing to see them pop up in this thread. |
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