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Posts: 1392 (09/07/08 6:51 AM) Registered User |
A big problem with slogans like "tax the rich" and "tax breaks for the middle class" is that terms like 'rich' and 'middle
class' are so subjective. Everyone thinks taxes should be raised -- on OTHER people. I remember reading a poll a few years ago in which nearly 90% of
Americans considered themselves 'middle class'.
As best I can tell, to Obama "the rich" means "anyone with a job". |
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PassionatePiscesMan |
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Posts: 5894 (09/07/08 6:55 AM) Registered User |
Has anyone put lipstick on their pit bulls?
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B DeBrun |
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Posts: 17631 (09/07/08 6:55 AM) |
Well... true. I would prefer not to be taxed out of the top 1%. I guess I will have less disposable income to donate to charity and other worthy causes, like
scholarships for local schools.
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Zzunk |
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Posts: 4003 (09/07/08 7:24 AM) Registered User |
PassionatePiscesMan wrote:You better not or I'm calling in PETA. |
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Phuz1 |
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Posts: 2622 (09/07/08 7:30 AM) Registered user |
John McCain: Man of his word?
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meatball77 |
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Posts: 8750 (09/07/08 7:36 AM) Registered user |
Pahrump Mania wrote: See, the goal in tax cuts is to cut them for people who will directly use them to improve the economy (Spend) as opposed to people who will not use them to improve the economy (save). Seniors who make under 50,000 will not save their money, they will use their tax cuts to buy things which will help the economy. If you gave my multimillionare SIL a tax cut they wouldn't change their spending. They also wouldn't use the money to create jobs, they're private citizens, they're not going to hire an extra nanny or pool company or lawn service because of a tax break, they already have so much money that they have all the things and employees that they need. |
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Trixie Delight |
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Posts: 25548 (09/07/08 7:44 AM) put Angel in the corner
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Let's not forget that despite our corporate tax rate being among the highest in the world, Mister Obama plans to increase that as well. Europe got the
right idea a few years ago after examing the double digit unemployment (see France & Germany) and reduced the tax burden to business. Guess what happened.
Yup, job growth and business expansion. Obama will effectively put the brakes on that.
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Zzunk |
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Posts: 4006 (09/07/08 7:44 AM) Registered User |
The only reason to give a tax break to the elderly making less than 50K is to buy their vote. This demographic has a HORRIBLE record of supporting tax levies
for schools. They demand to have elderly recreation centers and libraries but object to having user fees. Excuse me, but someone living on 35K without kids in
the household and their mortgage paid off isn't struggling to make ends meet.
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meatball77 |
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Posts: 8751 (09/07/08 7:48 AM) Registered user |
CBRetriever wrote: That was one of the major problems with NCLB. It was an unfunded mandate. It required a shitload of things and didn't give any money to pay for them. The majority of the national education budget is extra help for low income schools and special education funding. Education is funded at the local level, generally the majority of funds come from property taxes within the school district which is why the city school serving poor kids will have so less money than the suburb schools. |
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meatball77 |
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Posts: 8752 (09/07/08 7:53 AM) Registered user |
Zzunk wrote: Have you seen the price of medication lately? |
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Beefcake |
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Posts: 1393 (09/07/08 8:01 AM) Registered User |
meatball77 wrote: Because the public schools were so incredibly good before NCLB. . . . |
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StarrEise |
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Posts: 6628 (09/07/08 8:05 AM) |
meatball77 wrote: Yes, exactly. In defense of the elderly, there is a huge population that is struggling to make ends meet. My mom, for example, gets $1000/month for social security, but she pays out $400/month on her medication. She pays $75/month for supplemental insurance to cover partial cost of medication and doctor's visits, but one of her inhalers costs $300 alone. She pays real estate taxes on her home of about $350/month. Factor in the cost of oil in the winter (now up to about $400/month), food, utilities, etc...it's not a pretty picture. Luckily, my mom put some money aside when she was younger which helped for awhile, but her cash assets are down to about $3000. When that's gone, what happens? Put her on an ice floe? I don't have any problems at all with tax cuts for the elderly making less than $50K. |
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merkyl |
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Posts: 57783 (09/07/08 8:32 AM) Registered loser |
Maybe if those seniors had better investing options than Social Security they wouldn't be so bad off. But no, for god's sake we can't fix something
that's been around for 80 years.
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CBRetriever |
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Posts: 20921 (09/07/08 8:38 AM) MESS member |
the seniors who invested all their monay in Enron did so much better with their investments
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StarrEise |
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Posts: 6630 (09/07/08 8:41 AM) |
merkyl wrote: My parents did invest in other options in addition to what they were counting on from social security, but they were raising five kids, paying a mortgage, etc., so that didn't leave a lot of room left over for dabbling in the stock market. |
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SurvivorLDog93 |
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Posts: 21047 (09/07/08 8:41 AM) Admin/Play-By-Play Guru
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McCain�either lied about the guard who supposedly drew the cross in his cell ...
Posted Aug 19th 2008 11:16AM by Cenk Uygur
Filed under: Young Turks, John McCain, Christianity, Video
That's a heavy charge. McCain's POW record is the one shining moment of great courage in his record. It's what put him in the national spotlight
in the first place. And the ordeal he went through was so horrific that you can't question his valor. But now, he has gone and done something that was so
unnecessary -- apparently embellishing a story during his stay at the POW camps.
There was absolutely no need for this. His perseverance through five and half years of the prison camp was plenty heroic. He didn't need to add anything to it. But it looks like he did: Here is the original ad McCain ran about this story. Here is a post with more details on this story, where you can see the whole Solzhenitsyn quote (and the possible Chuck Colson quote where it actually originated from) and get all of the background on how McCain came up with this story in 1999 and in fact might have even changed it in 2000 from it happening to another soldier to it happening to him. This is beyond the pale. You want to talk about a character issue. This is about character. I know some of you won't believe me, but I am actually disappointed in McCain. I didn't think he would do something like this. Remember I voted for him in the 2000 primaries when I was still a Republican. He was a guy I believed in. To see him make up things about something so important and personal, it makes you lose faith in all politicians to some degree. Is there anything they won't stoop to? |
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Posts: 2165 (09/07/08 8:45 AM) Registered user |
From MSNBC "Compare the Candidates" - Under Tax Reform http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26533620/
Obama: Provide taxpayers the option of a "pre-filled" tax form that they simply verify and sign. Talk about dumbing down America. How hard is an 1040EZ to fill out? |
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StarrEise |
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Posts: 6631 (09/07/08 8:47 AM) |
PhoofeGirl wrote: Yeah, but remember, this is the American public that found it too hard to register to vote at their local town halls and so they were (?) making it a part of the driver's license process. I don't know if they ever did that, but the public at large isn't necessarily dumb...just very lazy. |
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CBRetriever |
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Posts: 20922 (09/07/08 8:51 AM) MESS member |
phoofe, you'd be amazed at how dumb or poorly educated some people are
And that's why the letting people control their own investing in their future won't work. If a person can only read and understand at a 4th grade level, they're not likely to even figure out how to invest, let alone what to invest in. A lot of seniors can't even figure out the new medicare/drugs thing. |
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Pahrump Mania |
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Posts: 1671 (09/07/08 8:54 AM) Registered user |
My Father-In-Law is 70, and generally pretty healthy but has had minor heart problems and joint problems. I'm sure he's on some medicines, but I
don't know which. He is married to a nurse, 20 years younger than he is, and is covered by her insurance as well as Medicare. He has a net worth of about
$2 million, and he has a pension and social security. He planned very well and lived within his means. He hasn't moved from the Chicago area because they
don't want to take less medical coverage elsewhere, and they like it there. He likes to work at low stress jobs, just to keep busy and to make pocket
money, the most recent job was checking prices at Sams Club for Costco. Why should that income be tax free? We already subsidize his health care and
prescriptions, isn't that enough?
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