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PassionatePiscesMan |
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They didn't kidnapp Joe because then they would have had Hillary too.
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ohboy |
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biden is really the biggest blowhard in congress. bar none.
i wish obama wouldn't have picked him, but he did. and, like everyone else, obama knew about biden's exaggerations and storytelling before he picked him. it's that irish old man thing. obama and his team don't make serious campaign mistakes, so i guess they decided they could handle it. to me, biden was bound to be a distraction and end up embarrassing obama at some point. of course, the kicker here is that mccain's pick is even more of a distraction and embarrassment to mccain, so props yet again to obama. |
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rugslug |
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Here was Barack Obama on "60 Minutes" a full nine days ago:
Now here he was yesterday, explaining why he eschewed playing a leadership role during the current crisis, and never considered sullying his hands with something as quotidian as "finding common ground" with Republicans on the Hill:
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Miles Edgeworth |
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How many different ways are you going to complain about that particular clip?
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GoodNeighborgirl |
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Serious question:
Had Obama not picked Biden , would McCain have picked someone different? |
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rugslug |
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Barack Obama yesterday: "I don't think me calling House Republican members would have been that helpful. I tend not to be that persuasive on that side of the aisle" Barack Obama today in Wisconsin:
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Miles Edgeworth |
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Thats 3. Awaits number 4
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bluesboi |
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GoodNeighborgirl wrote: ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY |
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Miles Edgeworth |
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GoodNeighborgirl wrote: Probably not unless it was hilary. Palin was always a popular running mate candidate |
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springfeverish |
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GoodNeighborgirl wrote:Yes. I think he really, really wanted Lieberman as a 'maverick' choice and to show non-partisanship. Unfortunately, the Repubs are still catering to the Christian Taliban and a pro-choice VP wouldn't fly. |
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ohboy |
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i think it'll be interesting to have the full story about the palin process come out in the future. we know he decided to go with her under pressure and as
a way to appease rabid christian conservatives.
he should have picked someone with economic experience instead.... |
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Veelicious |
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rugslug wrote: The context is different. He's running against their party RIGHT NOW...I mean seriously you have bigger issues than this. right? It's a great joke for this thread, but it sounds like you're really trying to debate this thing. |
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Veelicious |
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rugslug wrote: Leaders (the ones that all sat down and agreed on the bill) vs Members (the fuckers who voted against it.) |
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Veelicious |
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ohboy wrote:I can't wait for the Clinton tell-all books and the Palin choice tell-all books. |
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CanIBreathe |
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OMG heres the October surprise!!!
Most Powerful 527 Ad of the 2008 Presidential Campaign to Be Unleashed Today in Pennsylvania and Michigan; Ad Also Proves That Barack Obama's 'Fight The Smears' Website Is Guilty of Their Own Smear Campaign, Claiming the Ad Would Never Air and Was a 'Scam' One and Two Minute Versions of TV Ad Entitled "The Real Barack Obama," Reveal Footage of Senator Obama Arrogantly Mocking and Ridiculing the Bible, While Condescendingly Claiming the American Public Doesn't Understand The Bible as Wisely as He Does. Hard-Hitting Ad, Produced by the 527 Group PHforAmerica.Com, Has Been Previewing on YouTube For 3 Months and Has Garnered 4 Million Hits, More Than Any Other 527 Ad During This Period. Senator Obama's "Fight the Smears" Website Features an Attack On This Ad, Called "Scamming the Faithful," Claiming That This YouTube Video is NOT Really a TV Ad but Really a "SCAM," Aimed at Scamming Those Who Have Contributed to the 527 Group, and That The Ad Would Never Air on TV. However, Those Contributions Have Been Used Exclusively to Put the Ads on TV Beginning Today, Proving That Obama's "Fight the Smears" Charges Against PHforAmerica.com are Not Only False, Scurrilous and Libelous, But Also the Real Smear WASHINGTON, Oct. 1 -- "The Real Barack Obama" -- a TV ad to be unleashed today in Pennsylvania and Michigan, shows Barack Obama in his own words during a 2006 speech, arrogantly and smugly mocking and ridiculing the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, even laughing at The Sermon on the Mount. Stating "It's doubtful that our own Defense Department would be able to survive" the Sermon on the Mount's application, Obama's implication that Christ would "turn the other cheek" to terrorists and America's enemies is just as shocking as his follow-up remark, "Folks haven't been reading their Bibles"; condescendingly implying the American people don't understand the Bible as wisely as he (Obama) does. The ad points out that it is Barack Obama, not the American public, who doesn't understand the Bible. "The Real Barack Obama" also points out that the Sermon on the Mount, which Obama mocks and ridicules, is considered by most Christians and historians to include the most spiritually inspiring words ever uttered by Christ; and that the Book of Deuteronomy, which Obama also ridicules, gave us the Ten Commandments. This 2006 speech by Senator Obama also reinforces Obama's contempt for Americans of faith, considering his remarks in April that small-town Americans are bitter and "cling to their guns and religion". The one and two minute versions of "The Real Barack Obama" (both being aired on TV beginning today) can also be seen on the web at www.phforamerica.com. Those who would like to make financial contributions to help air the ad as often as possible can do so by visiting this website. The website also provides a link to the full text of Obama's speech, showing that the ad does not take his words out of context. Finally, the airing of this ad exposes the scurrilous charge on Obama's "Fight the Smears" website, that this ad is not really an ad but scam, to be a bald-faced lie. The fact that the ad is airing proves that it was never a scam to contributors. Ironically, the only smear has been committed by the Obama campaign and their "Fight the Smears" website. The 527 group PHforAmerica.com, was created by opposition researcher Stephen Marks, who also produced some of the most hard-hitting ads of the 2000 and 2004 campaigns, regarding Al Gore and John Kerry respectively. Marks is also the author of the book Confessions of a Political Hitman and has appeared on hundreds of television and radio programs, including The O'Reilly Factor, Anderson Cooper 360, Hannity and Colmes, and NPR. "Accusing me of the serious crime of scamming contributors is beyond scurrilous. How can the Obama campaign call me a "scam artist," claiming our TV ad is not a TV ad, when they know full well that I have produced and aired similar 527 TV ads in the past two presidential campaigns? Unless they can prove anything about this ad is a scam, they are guilty of libel, and I am pursuing legal action regarding this matter." Innocent people have been passing around a web video launched by a political professional and career smear peddler that turns out to be a cynical and manipulative attack on Barack Obama's reading of the Bible. The trickster's claims about Barack's faith are every bit as false as his claims that this amateurish video is really a TV ad. The Truth About the Video The video was launched on the scam artist's website, PHforAmerica.com. He claimed that the ad "will air on TV immediately following the Democratic National Convention," and he even asks for money to "help this ad air as often as possible in the key swing states." But real TV ads are most often produced in short, even lengths -- usually 30 seconds or maybe as long as one minute. This supposed "ad" runs 2:09 and is so poorly made that it would never air on TV -- and sure enough, it still hasn't, even now that the Democratic convention has come and gone. The Truth About Barack With such a deceptive person behind this video, it's not surprising that everything he says about Barack is deeply dishonest and wrong, too. The video takes 5 sentences out of a 4,500-word speech Barack gave in 2006 completely out of context to stoke division and hatred. Far from mocking the Bible or people of faith, Barack's speech actually celebrates the role of people of faith in public life and offers nuanced thoughts on the intersection of religion and politics. In his daily life, Barack reads his Bible regularly and respects people of all religious traditions and biblical interpretations. |
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ohboy |
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maybe sarah will write her own....oh, wait....never mind.
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B DeBrun |
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GoodNeighborgirl wrote: It's possible, but I tend to view McCain seeing Palin as a gamechanger, to shake things up. If McCain had picked the usual boring white male, well, this thread wouldn't have hit 5K yet. If you look at VP nominess for the past 20 years, they are generally more conservative than the Presidential nominees. 1988: Bentsen > Dukakis Quayle > Bush I 1992: Quayle > Bush I Gore > Clinton 1996: Gore > Clinton Kemp > Dole 2000: Lieberman > Gore Cheney > Bush II 2004: Cheney > Bush II Edwards > Kerry (this is almost a wash) 2008: Palin > McCain Biden > Obama (Obama was ranked most liberal Senator, so anybody even 3rd ranked Biden could theoretically be more conservative, but this is almost a wash) |
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Gregoire |
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Hmm, not very surprising. Hey, anybody seen that Michelle' Whitey tape lying around?
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rugslug |
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Veelicious wrote: so he can only talk to those that agree with him? Wow, what a leader! |
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Veelicious |
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Oh lord - now we're going to have to hear about this pieced together nonsense for days...
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