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2. The castaway with the immunity necklace can actually pass his/her immunity to another person after the votes have been casted and before the votes are read. (?) just a thought.

I really hope that they use this idea next season or sometime soon. It could make the game a lot less predictable.

For example in S12 when Terry, Nick, Austin and Sally got to the merge they were targeted one by one by the majority and no one from Casaya switched. Terry could have used to the HII to eliminate a Casaya member but only one and afterwards they would still be outnumbered 5-4.

If Individual Immunity was transferable after the votes are read but before the votes are cast Terry and his allies could have actually voted off Casaya one by one if someone in his alliance won all the immunity challenges and they correctly predicted how Casaya was going to vote until they had a majority. And even after they get a majority no one in the game would be safe at any time because if someone outside their alliance won immunity and figured out how they were voting Casaya could regain control.

Also Bruce wanted to switch sides at F9 but he would have been switching into a 5-4 minority. If Terry could have used the Immunity Necklace to make the votes cast against Austin disappear(Bruce could tell them who Casaya was targeting) and send Aras home than Bruce could join Terry, Austin, and Sally to make it 4-4 but with his side much more likely to win the next immunity. Or he could stay with Casaya since he went from 6th in the alliance to 5th and team up Terry at a later time.

It would be harder for large alliances to do well because the more people you have in your alliance the more likely it is that someone will tell the people outside their alliance who is being targeted. Its much easier for a small alliance to keep secrets than a large one.

Other examples of how this could work are:

1. Remember in Survivor Africa at the merge everyone targeted Clarence?

During the Immunity challenge Clarence and Teressa made an alliance when they were the last 2 in the challenge. Teressa won immunity and voted for Lex instead of Clarence(causing Lex to target Kelly because he thought she voted for him). If the Immunity Necklace could transferred between the casting of votes and reading of votes than Teressa could have given Clarence Immunity and then Lex would be voted off with 2 votes. That would change that season significantly. I think there would be a power struggle between the alliance of Ethan, Kim Johnson, Tom, and Kelly and the alliance of Clarence, Teressa, and Frank with Kim Powers and Brandon as swing votes. Even if one side gained the upper hand, all it would take is one
immunity challenge to change it all. No one would be safe.

2. Remember in All Stars at the merge Lex,Kathy, and Shii Ann were targeted at the Final 9? The only the chance any of them had was win immunity but it didn't matter who won immunity at F9 or F8 the next 2 eliminations would be predictable. If the Immunity Necklace was changed to allow transferring between the votes being cast and read then it changes everything. Suppose Kathy won Individual Immunity at Final 9 then her suggesting she would give the necklace to Lex wouldn't be self sacriface but a strategic decision. The could have sent Boston Rob home at Final 9. And even the failed to guess the majority vote at final 9(suppose Rob targeted Shii Ann or knew what Kathy was going to do and targeted her instead or Kathy played it safe and kept the idol) they always have final 8 and final 7 to change the game around. In All Stars too many people were safe for too long but with Individual Immunity changed no one is ever safe.

3. Remember in Vanuatu after Rory and Sarge are left Scout and Twila wanted to team up with Chris and Chad because Ami and Leanne told Scout she wasn't in their Final Four. Twila and Scout could not flip sides at Final 8 because it would have been a tie. But since Twila won the F8 IC they could take over the game then by canceling out the votes for Chad(and Twila knew Chad was the target because Ami and Leanne had to tell her how the majority was voting to keep her trust). And even After Twila, Scout, Chris and Chad take over the game it isn't hopeless for Eliza, Julie, and Leanne. All it takes is one immunity win.

4. Remember in Guatemala at the merge Nakum outnumbered Yaxha 6-4. Then Gary won Immunity at F10 but that just meant some one else that he was aligned with was going home.

If the individual necklace could cancel votes then when Bobby Jon asked Stephenie to save him for one vote so he could make the jury, his alliance could use that information to give Brandon immunity and vote off either Jamie or Stephenie. Also Stephenie could lie to Bobby Jon and vote him off or vote off Gary when he gives up immunity.

5. Remember last season in the Tocantins after Tyson was voted out it got really predictable? If the Immunity Necklace could cancel votes then JT wouldn't have been safe until he started winning immunities. Because it could only take one vote to send him home. Imagine if Debbie or Coach won immunity at F6. The way the game is now the other person would be voted out and that episode would be a bit pointless to watch. But not if the immunity necklace could cancel votes. JT and Stephen would need to trick Debbie or Coach into not using it or sacriface Taj or Erin and trust Debbie and Coach will go along with the plan.

I think Australia, Thailand, and Palau would not be affected at all because of who won the immunities those seasons and what their actions where after they won immunity. People in these seasons who were safe would feel less safe though because of what can happen. And the audience wouldn't "know" there's no chance of Brian going home at F7 in Thailand before the episode even starts because it could have realistically happened.

The HII doesn't seem to create majority shifting votes like it was originally hyped up to do. It usually seems to make someone more of a threat and gets them blindsided or allows them to make allies easier so they don't need to every use it(and this happen gradually so it isn't very exciting). If the Individual Immunity had the same functions as the HII it would serve the purpose the HII was originally suppose to and allow them to remove the HII if they wanted to(actually it might be necessary to avoid tribal counsels with zero valid votes).


Some other twists I thought might be interesting:

1. They should set this twist up in a way that it only affects pre-merge votes:

Give everyone Revenge/Last Chance idols on day 1. The idols don't make you immune. What they do is if you play one after the votes are cast and then get voted out you then get a chance to save yourself by choosing someone in your tribe to face in a short challenge where the loser leaves the game. I think they should have 3 challenges to pick from and the person being pulled into the challenge gets to choose(probably from fire making, the trivia tiebreaker they had in Africa, and bug eating).

After someone successfully saved themselves they would be more at risk the people who didn't use their idol yet because it's now completely safe to target them. It's sort of like how past votes used to affect tie breakers(I wasn't a fan of those but with this no one will have to track of the number of votes against them).

If they had this twist in Pearl Islands and Ryan S. or Lil knew when they were being targeted, they would probably challenge Andrew. If either of them won it would shock everyone in the game. Especially since Andrew was the leader of the main alliance of Morgan. It seems whenever this happen it would always be between someone who is part of the main alliance and someone who isn't.

The reason I partially named the idols revenge idols is I noticed there are usually people that don't like each other and would used their idol to target their enemy. In Thailand Shii Ann and Penny didn't like each other and Shii Ann knew she was being targeted when Sook Jai went to tribal counsel at the Final 10. Or when Ghandia was voted out she probably would have played her idol to challenge Clay.

This twist would only happen when the person that is targeted thinks they will receive a majority of votes. So if someone is blindsided they won't get the chance to save themselves. This twist might good or might not.

2. The other twist I thought up was:

Giving the players a choice before every Immunity Challenge to either help their teams or help themselves. Remember the opening challenge in Gabon where they could choose to run ahead and grab an individual immunity good for the first tribal counsel or stay back help their teams? It would be sort of like that except they have to decide before the challenge starts.

After the team Immunity Challenge the people who chose to abandon their team take part in a challenge for individual immunity. And if only one person chooses to play for themselves then they automatically get a immunity necklace(this also should be transferable after the votes are cast but before the votes are read). If someone wins immunity but their team wins immunity without them the it's meaningless.

If someone chooses to do this their tribe will probably resent them for it and if they ever lost the immunity at the same time their tribe lost immunity they would likely go home. But if no one else in the game abandons their team it's the safest way to make the merge. They aren't likely to have any allies at the start of the merge though.

A good time to use this would be when someone knows that they are next to be booted anyways.

If that twist happened this last season Sandy would probably use it every single time. Maybe Erin would after Candice was voted off.

hagiz1 wrote:

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survivorbench wrote:

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2. The castaway with the immunity necklace can actually pass his/her immunity to another person after the votes have been casted and before the votes are read. (?) just a thought.


I don't know about this. This would give too much power to the players. I mean that's what the Hidden Immunity Idol is for, right? If you make the immunity necklace have the same power, what's the point of the Hidden Immunity Idol?


Plus how's that going to work?

For Example, Tyson wins Immunity Necklace. Before the votes begin, Probst says "You cannot vote for Tyson" But then Tyson could give his necklace to someone else?

I bet you, everyone who has the immunity necklace will always give the necklace to someone else since he/she is already safe.

It would allow them to get rid of the HII without losing the positive effects it has on the game. And Tyson could already give away immunity under the current rules on not stay immune. Its been like that since the Amazon. If Probst saying something inaccurate confuses people then maybe he should stop saying that.

Kirblar wrote:

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2. The castaway with the immunity necklace can actually pass his/her immunity to another person after the votes have been casted and before the votes are read. (?) just a thought.

Has been done in an online game, and it changes the game radically. It's not a good thing.

What tends to happen in the online games?

How do you think it would have affected Thailand(I think the boot order would have been the same)? Or Australia(my guess is it wouldn't)? Or another specific season?