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AbbyGirl		#3261	[-]
Posts: 13 (11/22/08 1:39 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I agree with Craig, Trinity and Redwing. I didn't have to over-think anything to see Sugar as smug, catty and mean. It was like she was part of the popular group and decided to pick on someone who was already down, it wasn't necessary. Even if it was negative Randy that Sugar was doing it to doesn't make it right for her to do so. It also didn't make it right for Crystal to act that way at TC, she was being very low class. Corinne was not N because she was sticking with Randy, some would say she was taking the high road sticking with her alliance even when she knew it was a losing one. How many laughing shots add up to a N? More than a few I would say, and twelve is way more than a few. I felt bad for Randy because of the edit, not because I am a Randy fan. Randy was picked on, he lashed out like a cornered animal would. Susie said she felt like Randy was a sad person at TC... that's what I think as well. We were shown Susie saying that for a reason, to see that Randy was a human being and had feelings like all human beings do. Sugar went too far and she was N no matter what we think of Randy.
craig		#3262	[-]
Posts: 14342 (11/22/08 1:49 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	If Crystal played the idol and cookie tricks on Randy, i could sort of understand and wouldn't mind so much. They've been arch-enemies from day one. But what did Randy ever do to Sugar that we so bad? So's just being mean and childish for no reason, with her big bad alliance supporting her. All the smirking shots were OTTN. Don't forget her scene with Bob earlier in the episode, where she laughed at him fruitlessly searching for the idol. BTW Randy liked Sugar's edit (RNO). Said they finally showed her for what she was. Another fake blonde sweetheart exposed, and we didn't even have to wait for her to turn into a right-wing mouthpiece on The View. Last Edited By: craig 11/22/08 1:54 AM. Edited 1 times.
JaMalle		#3263	[-]
Posts: 4337 (11/22/08 2:07 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't like your tone Craig. I don't care if she turned out to be apart of the KKK, Liz owned the heck out of the Outback in terms of entertainment value. lol Sugar doesn't hold a torch to her.
BlakeB717		#3264	[-]
Posts: 1128 (11/22/08 2:12 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Sugar's "cookie scene" is only a minor part of her N. It set the tone for her bitch edit this episode. The fact that she was shown lying about being offered a cookie right after really diminishes any neutral tone in the cookie scene. Just watch her confessionals this episode, lots are broken up (and some even from completely different locations) for an OTTN sculpt.
TheEasyOne		#3265	[-]
Posts: 1017 (11/22/08 7:48 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: If Crystal played the idol and cookie tricks on Randy, i could sort of understand and wouldn't mind so much. They've been arch-enemies from day one. But what did Randy ever do to Sugar that we so bad? So's just being mean and childish for no reason, with her big bad alliance supporting her. All the smirking shots were OTTN. Don't forget her scene with Bob earlier in the episode, where she laughed at him fruitlessly searching for the idol. BTW Randy liked Sugar's edit (RNO). Said they finally showed her for what she was. Another fake blonde sweetheart exposed, and we didn't even have to wait for her to turn into a right-wing mouthpiece on The View. trust me if the tables were turned and the onion was completely intact when merge hit, randy would be doing the same to the fang outcasts. if he was in the majority position, randy would be a hundred times worse. don't you remember him and his bad sportsmanship towards fang that one time kota won the reward? "can we have some?" "hell no" or somewhere along those lines. you can argue, yeah they won that's their reward, but stuffing his face with a muffin (?) if front of them was pretty harsh. fang won like two challenges at that point so yeah it was kind of a slap in their faces. randy gave the cookies to the others, but in an arrogant sort of way. he was claiming they were his, but jeff said "to share with the tribe". sugar may be a bitch, but irl she's probably normal. it's just that her positive side was shown more often (okay maybe all the time). irl randy is a good guy but pretty much alone. Viewing wise, they've edited him negatively because it would evoke a stronger feeling from the viewers (hate towards him over sympathy). the bitter onions had their egos bruised that's why they hate sugar as much as they do. in the early days on kota, they put her in the same catergory with kelly "stupid, blonde, 2nd/3rd boot" and probably alienated her and ace. And when they saw sugar outlasting jacque on fang, sticking with fang whom they also grew to despise (ken, crystal, susie), and pretty much sugar outlasting all of them added more fuel to the fire.
9RedWing19		#3266	[-]
Posts: 2306 (11/22/08 8:28 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	OnlyTheHunter wrote: Redwing, you don't like taunting, but as I take it you are a hockey fan, what about fist fighting? :-) Michael In movies like Slapshot, it's OK In real life, not so much (IIRC the Wings last year had the least number of major penalties - you can win both ways (the Ducks the previous year were one of the most fighting teams around), but I prefer skill over "old time hockey" (I'm not a Don Cherry fan, FWIW)).
colleenlover		#3267	[-]
Posts: 8808 (11/22/08 9:25 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: If Crystal played the idol and cookie tricks on Randy, i could sort of understand and wouldn't mind so much. They've been arch-enemies from day one. But what did Randy ever do to Sugar that we so bad? So's just being mean and childish for no reason, with her big bad alliance supporting her. All the smirking shots were OTTN. Don't forget her scene with Bob earlier in the episode, where she laughed at him fruitlessly searching for the idol. BTW Randy liked Sugar's edit (RNO). Said they finally showed her for what she was. Another fake blonde sweetheart exposed, and we didn't even have to wait for her to turn into a right-wing mouthpiece on The View. I have to disagree. And it's not sticking up for the character of Sugar -if anything, it's more nauseating that the spin was as plucky as possible. I think the intent of the auction was to show the war between Randy and Sugar and her outwitting him and getting the last laugh -again, going with the Sugar is smart plotline. If she were supposed to be negative, it would have been underlined, we'd get a shocking confessional from someone else; it'd be like a shocking reveal in a murder mystery. Randy's linking the reported action of Sugar, and he's right. But I still feel like that's the footage they had to make the intent I suggested. Rewatch the Bob/Sugar stuff -there's so much spin on that sucker to make her as soft, smart as possible -to link the cuddly old man and ingenue together -to sell a product. I just think my view on it is far more horrific of the Hollywood machine than if they had done something cool with Sugar and turned the tables to make her on a power trip, and a nasty streak. But, no -I think it was all about poor Sugar and the underdogs getting their revenge on the mean man. (In reality, it was mean, nasty and petty, but on the show it was supposed to be Sugar serving up Randy his just desserts) We'd be hit over the head with intentions (ie. a confessional from Kenny or Crystal questioning Sugar's intentions or going too far, or seeing a different side to her)
mtj1282		#3268	[-]
Posts: 1820 (11/22/08 9:45 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	colleenlover wrote: craig wrote: If Crystal played the idol and cookie tricks on Randy, i could sort of understand and wouldn't mind so much. They've been arch-enemies from day one. But what did Randy ever do to Sugar that we so bad? So's just being mean and childish for no reason, with her big bad alliance supporting her. All the smirking shots were OTTN. Don't forget her scene with Bob earlier in the episode, where she laughed at him fruitlessly searching for the idol. BTW Randy liked Sugar's edit (RNO). Said they finally showed her for what she was. Another fake blonde sweetheart exposed, and we didn't even have to wait for her to turn into a right-wing mouthpiece on The View. I have to disagree. And it's not sticking up for the character of Sugar -if anything, it's more nauseating that the spin was as plucky as possible. I think the intent of the auction was to show the war between Randy and Sugar and her outwitting him and getting the last laugh -again, going with the Sugar is smart plotline. If she were supposed to be negative, it would have been underlined, we'd get a shocking confessional from someone else; it'd be like a shocking reveal in a murder mystery. Randy's linking the reported action of Sugar, and he's right. But I still feel like that's the footage they had to make the intent I suggested. Rewatch the Bob/Sugar stuff -there's so much spin on that sucker to make her as soft, smart as possible -to link the cuddly old man and ingenue together -to sell a product. I just think my view on it is far more horrific of the Hollywood machine than if they had done something cool with Sugar and turned the tables to make her on a power trip, and a nasty streak. But, no -I think it was all about poor Sugar and the underdogs getting their revenge on the mean man. (In reality, it was mean, nasty and petty, but on the show it was supposed to be Sugar serving up Randy his just desserts) Doesnt randy deserving that treatment make it not mean, nasty and petty?
colleenlover		#3269	[-]
Posts: 8809 (11/22/08 9:57 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I don't know. that's an ethical question. And the show wasn't about presenting an ethical question about two people's bahvior (Randy, Sugar)- usually led by Probst's edited questions. Maybe it'll be a plot point next episode. One thing that was underscored at this TC, besides Crystal's answer that the game is "ramping up," is Probst saying it will all come down to trust. But the inserted shot is a three shot -Corrine, Bob and Sugar, with Sugar glancing at Corrine.
Apollo Italiano		#3270	[-]
Posts: 211 (11/22/08 10:42 AM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	craig wrote: Corinne. The CP is duh. The N is the tricky part, but I'm going for it. She was associated with super negative Randy and said that she hates everyone. Then I hope you gave Sugar lots of Ns premerge for ehr association with negative Ace. I reality, that was a huge part of why she wasn't popular with the rest of Kota, but edgic rightly doesn't give N by association. Corinne was a huge contrast to both randy and sugar at the auction, with her calm demenor and focus on the game. getting fooled by Sugar's dumb practical joke doesn't an n make either. In fact, I didn't give Sugar N's premerge. Let me put it this way. During his run, Ace was usually N. Sugar was always distanced from Ace, usually saying that she knows he's a snake and was never shown scheming with him (at least that I can recall); moreso, it was Ace saying he controlled Sugar. Sugar was further distanced by being given P behavior, such as her excursions in the Sugar Shack. But, I'm not rating Sugar's premerge episode edits now. I'm rating Corinne's episode ten edit. To me, this episode Randy was NN. Corinne was not distanced from Randy, she was shown with him scheming and sharing his cocky attitude. Furthermore, Corinne's focus on the game has me give her the CP. Being focused on the game doesn't not redeem her from an N rating (see episodes containing Todd, Parvati, Ace, etc). Also, Corinne's calm demeanor at the auction is no doubt neutral behavior, as was her close attempt at the immunity challenge. However, Corinne saying she hates everyone while scheming with Randy (!), being cocky about her plan (though I feel that could go either neutral or N), and to take out a player based on personal preference, led by Randy (!). Also, just a little side note, if Crystal and Sugar are getting attention for their negative voting confessionals, why no talk of Corinne calling Susie a bitch? Now, I have never before paid much attention to voting confessionals in ratings, but how does Corinne avoid the label of vindictive that both Sugar and Crystal recieved? In closing, for me, direct association with a NN player equals N. Like I said in the rest of my post (that wasn't quoted), I can see the neutral tone and would have no problem with it as a final rating. However, I personally think there was no intent to not make Corinne N, thusly, she came across negatively. On an unrelated note, I've changed my rating of Crystal from UTR2 to UTRN2, as her behavior was an extension of Sugar's actions against Randy.
colleenlover		#3271	[-]
Posts: 8810 (11/22/08 11:01 AM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	sorry -I just think with the past recaps -especially the "Kota has been beating up on Fang", coupled with Randy's "wah, wah, wah," cut shot of Crystal crying and upset confessional -"He's a troll!" -we're supposed to be laughing at her voting confessional. The past few episodes when Randy explains that Cystal is big foot with two inserted shots of Matty and Sugar looking disgusted, it's all been a set-up. They even have Marcus and Charlie laughing at her loud vocal voting. Corrine -again- is the punching bag for having egg on her face. They have the inserted shot of her winking to MArcus and Charlie that her plan is going to confidently work, only to have it blow up. Note the music cues.
Oowatanite		#3272	[-]
Posts: 6391 (11/22/08 12:30 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	fat little fingers wrote: For those who see Sugar in N terms this episode, I offer my take on ... Auction: the Battle of Sugar and Randy [ A whole bunch of vidcaps ] Make of this what you want. Okay. What this reminds me of is some of your posts from China, trying to make an argument that Amanda was winning due to various vidcaps and screen shots. Jeff was shown staring at Randy's back a few times ? Whut ???? Jeff exchanged a few looks with Sugar ? Um, okay ??? Sugar was too full to eat a cookie ? She couldn't save it til later ? Maybe save it for Bob ? Would Sugar have refused that offer from any other player ? Wow, Sugar sure pwned Randy at the auction. Imagine if she had tripped him up and spilled his spaghetti and wine. Laughorama !! Yay for Sugar !! Face it. The crux of the few edgicers who thought that Sugar was not OTTN this episode boils down to three words - "Randy deserved it".
colleenlover		#3273	[-]
Posts: 8811 (11/22/08 12:38 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	yes, Oo that's exactly right. Not in real life, but in this Disneyfied show. I just think they went overboard with it. I was saying, "okay, we get it -Randy's a dirt bag and Sugar's clever -enough already." It doesn't change the ending where most likely Sugar is a finalist and some of this will probably come back (most likely from Randy- maybe that's what his whole question is to her). I guess we'll wait and see the recap intro to see how this is presented to us, and the follow up confessionals in regards to Sugar. I personally can see both Sugar and Kenny in the final three with Kenny winning and then after the first break from commercial they play the clip of Sugar saying she would cuddle with him, and Kenny replying, "Would you cuddle with a rich man?" Probably with Corrine, Charlie and others rolling their eyes (me too if I were there).
fat little fingers		#3274	[-]
Posts: 5747 (11/22/08 1:42 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Fight the good fight, cl! I'll try to post more this evening. Lol. Oo: Wow, Sugar sure pwned Randy at the auction. Imagine if she had tripped him up and spilled his spaghetti and wine. Laughorama !! Yay for Sugar !! Face it. The crux of the few edgicers who thought that Sugar was not OTTN this episode boils down to three words - "Randy deserved it". I started out by pointing out both of Sugar's laughing spots. I also said that they could appear negative, especially the inserted laugh over Bob's departure scene. Sugar's edit has been the opposite of Amanda's China edit. Amanda started off with her big alliance scene and then went silent. Sugar started off with no scenes, fluff comments and then each ep built her story until now she's this big vis 4-5 CP character who can't stop talking to us. Understand, I don't see Sugar as the winner. That's going to be Kenny. But this episode is overwhelmingly about Sugar's triumph over Randy. She has comments and scenes that could be seen as negative. But it is key, to me, that she gets to comment on every move she makes. In talking with Bob, it is Sugar's point of view we get. Her confessional's tone is ambiguous, a toss-up at best. When Matty tells the group to vote for Bob instead of Randy, it's Sugar who tells us what's going on, not Matty. (Take note, Matty supporters.) Her vote comment was a triumphant summation of her view of Randy. It's cocky and rude, but Randy's edit hammered over and over how rude he was (How many times have they showed us the "wah-wah!" scene?) She didn't say he should die, she rattled off a list of bad behaviors and said it would lead to him dying alone. Anyway, more later, hopefully. But, ep summation: Distraction. (We're all talking about Sugar.) Kenny, winner.
cindidindi76		#3275	[-]
Posts: 13507 (11/22/08 1:51 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Can we go back and make sure none of Randy's N's were because he was complaining about loserest tribe ever Fang? SiInce it's not N if the person deserved it and all... She has comments and scenes that could be seen as negative. But it is key, to me, that she gets to comment on every move she makes. Sugar's confessional after the auction: "Oh. My. Gosh. Have you ever seen (gaping maw) a grown man get so mad over a chocolate chip cookie? And the only reason I took his damn cookie was because he didn't want to give me a cookie. He wanted to give everybody a cookie but Sugar, because Sugar's evil." Yeah, she commented on it, and was WRONG. Not only did he offer her a cookie first, but he offered her a cookie multiple times. That doesn't = he wanted to give a cookie to everyone but her, no matter how you want to spin it. She just felt like being a bitch to him, plain and simple.
Warrior		#3276	[-]
Posts: 2752 (11/22/08 2:17 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	EPISODE 10 NOBAG Bob - MORP3 He agreed to go along with Sugar in order to survive 3 more days. He got the fluffy helicopter shot. Visibility - Strong 3 Corinne - CP3 She thought that she was working Bob…surprise! Visibility - Strong 3 Crystal - OTTN2 I wonder if she will be nicer now that Randy is gone… Visibility - Weak - 2 Ken - UTR2 He had $1,000.00 and got nothing to eat???I suppose with all of the negativity flying around this episode Kenny getting an UTR2 is ok. But he better not get another one! My confidence in him is starting to slip…but I guess it is supposed to at this point in the story. Visibility - Weak 2 Matty - MOR3 That shot was kinda gross! Another flat episode for Matty…but he's still alive. Visibility - Weak 3 Randy - OTTN5 Thanks for all of the entertainment…well done. Visibility - Strong 5 Sugar - OTTN4 Well, they pulled out all the stops on her edit. From the sound over of her laughing when Kenny sent Bob back to EI to the cookie scene to the fake idol plot to her calling Randy a looser at the voting booth. Wow…didn't see that coming. One scene bothers me though. When she met with Bob in the jungle she said "…and if it doesn't buy you some time I have another plan" She knew that Matty wanted Bob out so she saved Bob…Hmmm what is her plan? Next week we are at 7 players left…4-3 hmmm. Sugars edit bothers me. Visibility - Medium 4 Susie - UTR2 She got a bath! Visibility - Weak 2 …would not argue against a 1.
Oowatanite		#3277	[-]
Posts: 6394 (11/22/08 2:38 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Nice post Warrior, but one of your vidcaps is incomplete. Here, I found a better one for ya.
Kitty Pryde1		#3278	[-]
Posts: 6558 (11/22/08 2:42 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	What's the point of having an NN rating if no one is willing to use it? Can you honestly tell me that with all the negative players this episode that Randy was even REMOTELY on the same level of negativity?
Oowatanite		#3279	[-]
Posts: 6395 (11/22/08 2:45 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No one uses NN ? How soon we forget the Stacy NN in Fiji.
chapera rocks		#3280	[-]
Posts: 9869 (11/22/08 2:46 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kitty Pryde1 wrote: What's the point of having an NN rating if no one is willing to use it? Can you honestly tell me that with all the negative players this episode that Randy was even REMOTELY on the same level of negativity? I was just going to say, how the hell did Stacey get a NN and Randy doesn't?? It makes no sense at all.

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