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Sceptic,

First, I'll take the implied retraction of tone from your last post at face value. I found it irksome to be told what I was thinking when that wasn't what I was saying at all, but no doubt I've been guilty of the same on occasion.

By editing failure, I mean the editing didn't accomplish what it was meant to accomplish. It isn't the first time. In S6, the finale was meant to redeem Jenna as a winner. It didn't really work. In S7, I believe we were meant to sympathize more with Lillian, particularly early in the season. It didn't really happen. The editors aren't infallible.

For Edgic purposes, I maintain the editing intent is more important than its effectiveness. After all, the reality of a situation tells us very little about who wins in Edgic terms. It is how the editors approach the presentation of the events that theoretically fits with the Edgic guidelines. That's why I distinguish between negativity that is clearly manipulated (by confessionals primarily or by scenes not directly needed for the episode plot) and negativity that results from reported events without apparent reinforcement. Corinne, for instance, is clearly manipulated to have negative tone. Crystal isn't, even if many posters here find her negative. Editing intent is obvious in the first case, but it is ambiguous at best in the second.

The auction was primarily reporting (and while the editors did choose what scenes to show, what was shown made sense in development of the fake idol plot). Yes, I thought Sugar acted badly there, but there was no editing support for this view. She gets to dismiss the whole incident in confessional as about a cookie, and we actually see Matty thanking Sugar for the cookie. (I don't recall any scene where she lies so perhaps it isn't so blatant, particularly to a casual viewer.) I didn't view her talk with Bob as particularly negative. As for her vote speech, unlike Crystal's, it is somewhat nasty though I believe the editors expected the audience to side with it. It really isn't so much the N that I object to as the OTTN. N by itself means the player didn't come off looking good in the audience's eyes. (I'd lean against that, but whatever.) OTTN presents the player as a caricature of evil, and I just don't buy that Sugar's edit went there. (Crystal's certainly didn't go there either - Randy's did.)

If you disagree with my take, you disagree. I can't make you change your mind. I still think many people here really don't have a handle on what OTT is supposed to mean. I will say that my viewpoint about the editing has held up pretty well this season. When people were dismissing Fang as a bunch of losers, I maintained that the edit was not as harsh as they were making it out to be, and it would appear that I was correct on this point given the direction the season has taken. I may have had Marcus as my leading Edgic candidate, but I put out the case for Ken before Marcus' departure. I still think Ken is the most likely winner, but if he doesn't win, I think it is Crystal, who most people have buried under what I find to be inaccurate ratings. I guess we'll see how that plays out.

Anyway, it sounds like you won't see this for awhile. Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.