I think anything other than a CP for Sugar would be a travesty. If Cirie gets a CPP5 in Micronesia ep2, Sugar should easily get one here.
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Werwanderflugen |
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I think anything other than a CP for Sugar would be a travesty. If Cirie gets a CPP5 in Micronesia ep2, Sugar should easily get one here. |
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BlakeB717 |
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Can't we just have a vote? Or just make flf decide?
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YemaGrl1988 |
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I say we make a new rating! OTTCP!!!!1!
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fat little fingers |
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Been stacking firewood in the back yard. I know, I know, I gotta get my priorities straight.
I'll make up for it by posting my OTTP/CPP decision after getting something to eat. Not stalling. Just hungry. |
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Dictatorship |
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OTTP.
People are giving her CPP because they like her and feel that it's the "best" rating for her in terms of a winning edit. That isn't how you rate a person, and they're letting favoritism influence them (as if Edgic isn't influenced by enough already OTTP. The bitch ain't winning, folks. She's Ace's puppet to do with as he pleases, and that's HER story along with the idol. |
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guatemala fanfic |
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OTTP.No, I'm indifferent to her and whether she gets OTTP or CPP, she's still eliminated. A CPP would not change her status in the least. |
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Oowatanite |
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BlakeB717 wrote:We already did have a vote. It came out 50-50. Try to keep up with us, Blake.
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BlakeB717 |
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LOL sorry. I am slow lately
I don't think ANYONE thinks Sugar has a winning chance. She's not winning, obviously. I personally felt she was CPP because we learned about her stragtegy and about her home-life. Didn't a lot of people think Dre should have gotten CPP in Episode 2 of Fiji because he discussed being homeless and it changing the way he viewed the game? Sugar's story was being this silly little pin-up but her "getting the hang of it". That to me is character development. The ants was an OTT scene, but it added to her going from a non-outdoorsy girl (another thing we learned about her) to someone who could be in it for the long haul and being over looked as dumb. We usually don't learn as much as we did from Sugar from an OTT edit. |
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Wc3Fanatic |
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I've followed edgic since Exile Island and I used to contribute and I was given the voting site back in China. I haven't really been posting this year
and I don't have the new the voting site. However, I watched the episode and saw many good arguments for both sides presented throughout the last few pages
of the thread. I can't remember how tiebreakers work -- does everyone vote again or are only some people allowed to? At any rate, if you're excepting
new votes, I'm going to go ahead and vote for OTTP and please don't accuse me of bias!
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Dictatorship |
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Well that's that then! OTTP! :)
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Warrior |
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Oowatanite wrote: |
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unduli clone |
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Oowatanite wrote: Oo <3333. I'm a long-time Edgicer now??? Ooh, snazzy. I think I'm gonna get a bumper sticker. |
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fat little fingers |
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Oo: The mantle of greatness hangs heavy on the shoulders of the mighty. (Blue Highlights for those who want the Cliff Notes.) We have the OTT camp conceding some complexity and the CP camp conceding some OTTness. Warrior's right in that this is something we should get right, so I'll start with the Guidelines: CP - Complex personality1) " ...Not too surprisingly, these are the major players in the course of the game, and it is their choices that shape the story. " This suggests that a CP designation has with it the expectation of an overall developed story and not simply one episode. I agree that if this was Ep1, Sugar would get a majority CPP rating, without much debate. It would have been a strong opening episode, signaling someone who probably is a major player. But this is Ep3. Sugar has a track record of UTR2 and INV. Her character entered ep3 as someone unlikely to have much story in the end game, if she were to make it that far. There is no expectation at this point that she can win, and little that she will continue to be developed as a "major player in the course of the game, [who] shapes the story." OTT - Over the top1) "...In story terms, they are the villains and heroes, the ones we love to love or hate." I think it's safe to say that Sugar is meant to be a sweetheart edit. 2) "OTT players are generally always edited in a Positive or Negative light." Again, we have a consistent P edit for Sugar. 4) "Usually lacking in strategy, or strategy not expressed with much internal conflict..." For ep3, Sugar had both complex strategy comments, and some "internal conflict" in that she said she knew she was perceived as unintelligent, and expressed fear of the other members of her tribe and looked to Ace for protection. She also had a story of personal growth in her long EI segment. She overcame her fears and sadness to find she was stronger than even she realized. My Tie-Break Decision. (Sound the trumpets. Get my horse ready behind the saloon. Turn the lights out when I give the signal...) There are elements of both OTT and CP guidelines in Sugars Ep3 edit. But there is also an expectation implied in the CP guideline, that a CP edit would be associated with a major, developed character. Of course, this won't always be the case. But, in this case, we have an opening UTR2 ep, followed by an INV ep. We have already ruled Sugar out as a possible winner. This gives weight to an edit intent that leans in favor of OTTP. That doesn't deny the complex content, but acknowledges Sugar's previous weak edits. Sugar OTTP.
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10/08/08 10:53 PM.
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Oowatanite |
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Sorry flf, I just skipped all the black ink in your post and jumped to the red ink at the bottom -- Sugar
OTTP
Yessssss !!!!! In your face, gf !! j/k |
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fat little fingers |
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Ah jeez....
I knew only the totally geeked- out will read my explanation. But it's there for the record and the betterment of Edgic and Mankind in general.
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10/08/08 10:50 PM.
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getting real |
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FLF wrote:
My Tie-Break Decision. (Sound the trumpets. Get my horse ready behind the saloon. Turn the lights out when I give the signal...) Totally agree, FLF. Now, could you please make a proper determination on Sugar's CPP episode edit? |
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RageBot |
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I've read it
Anyway, it's good that it's finally settled, but this discussion shouldn't have taken this long for a character elimintaed by everybody around here. |
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JaMalle |
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Edgic thread <3 Y'all are funny and I already miss Edgicing!! lol
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cantthinkofaname |
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This Sugar debate really keeps making me think of Lydia's episode 2 rating of CPP. She starts with a UTR1, obviously not a winner's edit, but that
doesn't keep her from getting a CP rather than OTT which she originally had I believe.
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getting real |
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JaMalle wrote:Where have you gone, JaMalle? You haven't lived up to your name and done a 'fait la malle'on us, have you?
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10/09/08 5:14 AM.
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