Kitty Pryde1 wrote:Didn't Parvati have some INVs last year? She had a few in a row after the swap IIRC.
Except Corinne had TWO INVs, not just the one close call. And the second wasn't debatable.
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Kitty Pryde1 wrote:Didn't Parvati have some INVs last year? She had a few in a row after the swap IIRC. |
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Parvati had UTRs.
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AllMenAreIslands wrote:Some that could be counted as INVs. |
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How is Ken eliminated? Other than having UTRs (which Parvati had plenty of in the beginning), I don't think he can legitimately be eliminated.
Not that it's like anyone but Marcus has a shot, but considering same past surprising winners, Ken/Matty's ratings don't fit elimination criteria. </rant> |
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Yeah panurge, Corinne's gonna win.
And Corinne's edit is no where near that of Natalie. C'mon now.
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Oowatanite wrote: To be anywhere near that, she would have to completely disappear off the screen for the entire first half of the season. Her tribe has been winning so far and in this last episode, besides her 2 confessionals, her presence has been noted in camp and at the challenge.
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Hey Edgic! I haven't been up on the reading much this season, just adjusting to life with a newborn. Right now I'm hanging in New Brunswick though so
I watched Survivor in iTunes...and had some time to stop by.
Is the reason people are eliminating Ace strictly because "episode 2" INV? I'm pretty dogmatic about eliminating INV's, but for an "episode" which was debatably even an episode (I think the 2 hour premier should be handled more carefully), I'd be cautious to eliminate the person who seems to be getting the story told about him. The last several seasons haven't varied too much from the winner's story. This season seems to be all about how Ace continues to make it through. His OTT is the most negative part of his winner changes in my mind. But maybe he's just a Rory. One other comment I don't understand that I saw in the last couple of pages was that Marcus is so obviously the winner. I think that's only true to people analyzing the editing. If it's not Ace (I still have him on my winner list) I have Marcus next. Is it obvious? Not to a non-edgicer. Random notes...1. I think Survivor is getting too male dominated. The only guy gone thus far basically quit. The conversations all revolve around who's useless and it always seems to be a woman. 2. Love the HD. It's beautiful. 3. I like Sugar far more than I thought I would. Even though she's associated with Ace whom I despise. |
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Thanks Astro!
To Oo and Cassidy: Why would Corinne need to have the same edit as Natalie at this point? Remember, Natalie lost!! With a little more positive development, Corinne suddenly becoming the bitch would cause a reaction in the audience just like Natalie did. In her case however, the edit would have explained that it was part of her strategy and not out of nowhere like Natalie. Also, consider that Crystal, Susie and Sugar have already been put on the chopping block. If the 3 leave, Corinne suddenly becomes the only woman left. Another connection to an earlier comment. That's how editing works. |
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woah, we're rambling on because we like to hear ourselves talk -guilty!
If Marcus doesn't win, then edgic will need a major overhaul? Well, I think it would be more shot to shit. The only thing that I can rely on are story arcs. Marcus doesn't need one if he doesn't win. Not one so personalized. Aaron didn't, Nick didn't, so on and so on. I'm a fan of Sugar, but if Marcus doesn't win- she's next in line with the most manipulation for story. Aside from the INV, she fits all the other criteria for me: constant talk about the endgame from others, not winning, being dragged to the end, being in Ace's pocket, "He's a snake, but he's my snake," Probst's "Reach deep within to win"; they think I'm dumb. |
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fat little fingers wrote:I want to bring up the "winner guidelines" to make my point. 1) The winner may have ups and downs, but is typically not too UTR/INV or too OTT.I don't see Matty or Ken breaking this yet. Though I do realize that they're not in the "complex tribe", I think they they at least have a shot over the other contestants. The reason that I put them to win over Randy is because of all of the tone that Randy is getting, which I see as breaking the third point above. And I'm not even going to talk about Marcus. XD |
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I eliminated Ken based on his INV in episode 3, the episode where he won the challenge and then got no real recognition outside of it.
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For a group that is convinced Marcus will win, you guys certainly like to ramble on! Interesting read but you should realize that if Marcus wins, a thread like Edgic wasn't necessary at all while if he loses, Edgic will need a major overhaul. panurge, I assume you are posting somewhere else with your take on the season? Edgic always looks at the entire season, as you are well aware. When we have to do a major overhaul, I hope you can be here to show us the way. |
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panurge46 wrote: no, no -that's not what I meant. Marcus has not done anything extraordinary in the reality of the game during the filming so far. There is no need to seperate him from the countless other young athletic males that have been mid game boots. This was the same take with Aras. When the player isn't providing drama but is being crafted, we should take note. I think heros, sweethearts and boogie men have more to do with casting- if a type one, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water, you manipulate it while still retaining the good. (Sugar, for example, has already been giving the doubt -dumb, told she would be taken to the end for an easy beat, etc.) |
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Hey, chap! New Brunswick, eh? Maritime connections in the family?
Yes, we are swinging the INV around with maybe more confidence than the classic guidelines would like to see. It's true that Ace is a much more interesting character than almost anyone on Kota, outside of Randy. But that's to be expected from a distraction, mid-way through the first half. The 2-hour premier was structured exactly as two 1-hour eps would have been. That, plus reports that it was shown as two regular hour-long shows in Australia and the Philippines, makes me stick with INV for Ace in hour (ep) 2. If there's anyone who seemed to have the right stuff, outside of Bore-cus, after the first 3 (2) eps, it was Corinne. If there are those who want to give her a chance, based on our overuse of INV, then be my guest. I'd love the winner to be Corrine! But, I think two INVs is one too many, even for a female winner. |
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getting real |
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Marcus isn't yet in the "Hero" category but he's the best positioned representative on the side of "Good".Matty has that title sown up, with Sugar close behind. Unless by the side of "Good" you mean Kota, in which case Sugar qualfies from a previous life. TR, sadly, that is the guideline that Matty breaks. He's been unrelentingly positive throughout, without any accompanying meanignful development. |
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Computer crashed, just got online and got my votes in with 2 minutes to spare!
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colleenlover wrote:Had Rupert and Stephenie done anything extraordinary? Rupert was a strong contributor in challenge wins and a provider, much like Marcus has been. Rupert also had a more personal angle to his story for being bullied as a child. Stephenie was the heroine well before she was the last member of Ulong. Hell! They completely hid Jenn just so that we could fall in love with Stephenie. Being a Hero has very little to do with what someone does in the game but rather with who they are. Editors know how to make someone's personality click with the audience. Many casual fans see Marcus as a good looking Doctor and they heard from Charlie that he's God's gift to women. That's enough to make him McDreamy! He's also the answer to those other fans who hate seeing weaklings use the "Anti-Darwin Syndrome" to win. For both groups, Marcus is someone they'd like to see win instead of some crusty old guy or a do-nothing UTR coat-tail rider. Crafting his edit makes them think he has a shot. Furthermore, I never said Marcus was a mid-game boot, a Nick S for example. I think that he may leave at F5, F4 or F3 depending on the Finale's format. That's means he could have as good an edit as Colby, Lex, Ian and other young athletic males had pre-merge even if they weren't winners. Could Marcus be like Tom and win? Certainly, but remember that crafting Tom's edit went much deeper than what we've seen with Marcus. Palau's main theme was about "Making Tough Decisions" and Tom was shown making them all right from the start. Ian was shown waffling, hesitating and going on shark hunts despite his better judgment. Stephenie could never decide on her vote and Gregg never put his plan in motion. The main thematic connection I see for Marcus is playing the role of Adam in this Eden. Adam didn't do too well in the first Eden. He has, however, stepped up as leader of NuKota but no one has acknowledged it and hearing Jeff talk about Kota as a unit rather than singling out Marcus' contribution gives me pause. I'm not sure what your last paragraph means but Character shaping has a lot more to do than just casting. I thought Stephenie going from Palau's sweetheart to Guatemala's Mean Queen proved that. flf: VerucaSalt's editing thread at Survivor Blows.
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Oowatanite wrote:Natalie was much more under the radar than Corinne IMO.... she came outta nowhere in the Jason episode. |
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panurge46 wrote:Rupert was huge right from Episode 1 (the tie-dye shirt, stealing Morgan's shoes). He continued to be huge in the subsequent episodes (the fisherman, finding the lost piece of the spear, challenge performance (particularly vs Osten in the Ep 3 IC), refusing to throw the Ep 4 IC then helping Morgan turn it around). He was a far far bigger character after 6 episodes than Marcus. Steph in contrast was not a heroine early on in Palau - for the first 5 episodes her ratings were CP4, CP3, MORP3, CP3 and MOR3 (Angie for example got P tone ratings in the first 2 episodes, so arguably she was more positive than Steph early on). Steph's heroine arc really started with Ulong winning the Ep 6 RC (the shooting challenge) then peaked with her 2 huge episodes (the fire challenge with Bobby Jon, and then joining Koror). Crystal's situation in Gabon has parallels with Steph's situation in Palau (females who are demonstrably good athletes (Crystal winning a gold medal, Steph playing Division 1 lacrosse)) - I suspect that their edits through the first 6 episodes could have been much closer had the editors chosen to do so. |
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