Oowatanite wrote:
C'mon Craig. Randy did NOTHING but mock the Fangs after the RC. OTTN for sure, and I'm glad he got this proper rating, as earlier some of his "fans" were throwing MORs his way.
I think Randy deserved an OTTN for this episode too.
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Oowatanite wrote: I think Randy deserved an OTTN for this episode too. |
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Cassidy666 wrote:Yes you did. Don't back out now ! Remember, |
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craig |
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Crystal and Randy were both on the cusp between CP and OTT for that epsiode. I could see them both OTT perhaps. Crystal was an OTTN bitch at TC. "I'm
unstable? Let me rant and show how stable I really am!"
Randy's edit has tended to CP overall while Crystal overall has got the OTT Fang Stooge edit. As for the average viewer being happy with a Marcus win, I bet many of them aren't exactly sure who he is yet. |
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"As for the average viewer being happy with a Marcus win, I bet many of them aren't exactly sure who he is yet. "
Revisit that by finale time. We see it now, they see it then. Then again, I'm still not happy Aras won, but over Danielle, I'm cool with it. Michael |
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Oowatanite wrote:Uh, right... Unlike Alexis, Corinne is not "That Girl". |
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I'll rank the players on their current chance to win from an Edgic perspective.
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craig |
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7 - Randy. I know his fans will rate him higher, but he's been far too much in our face to be in serious winning contention.What about Todd or Tom being the most visible players on their tribe? It's not that Randy is getting tons of talk time, it's that everything he gets is memorable or significant. Unlike Marcus.
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Todd was certainly more visible than most winners, but I wouldn't say he was consistently the most visible player on his tribe. Both Jean Robert and
Courtney were also highly visible players throughout the pre-merge.
Tom was not the most visible player on Koror. In fact, given how obvious it was that he was the one primarily responsible for all the challenge wins, it was surprising how low key he was. Coby was easily the most visible player, and both Ian and Katie also received at least as much visibility as Tom in any given episode. |
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Kirblar |
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craig wrote:In addition- he's receiving time for doing something (actively getting himself positioned above Dan/Susie in the boot order) that would normally never EVER make the actual show 99.99% of the time. He's the most actively edited UTR player I can ever remember. |
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Oowatanite |
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Cassidy666 wrote:Uh, I don't know what "That Girl" has to do with anything, but both Alexis and Corinne got key confessionals in the opening episode, only to both disappear with UTR/INV edits after the tribe switch, mainly due to their new tribe going on an IC winning streak. I'll bet you Corinne gets a good edit in the merge episode, just like Alexis did. And Corinne will lose just before the last few episodes, just like Alexis did. |
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Randy is Judd. The thinking man's OTTN baddy. But I don't see him as too overexposed to win.
The odds, we are told by Marcus and Randy himself, are against him, yet his confessionals are all about making the end game. I agree there was CP in his edit about distancing himself from Dan. It continued his story of finding a way to survive and get in good with the Kota alliance. It is strategy talk of a sort, but it deserves CP consideration, because it comes from someone not involved with the episode's boot. One should ask, "Why is this player getting all this development on a tribe that is just winning and eating?" I think he's a bit too OTTN to be our winner, but he could sure go the distance. |
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TheLurkerSpeaks |
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The answer is so that Marcus can make his comments and be present while still not standing out.
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"ColleenLover wrote"
"I think I meant that the characters confined to a role, doesn't mean that role can't win. It's how it's handled. For instance, if Colleen had won, I don't think they would take a different approach with editing out her personality, just tweak the editing so she'd be more in danger and put into question if she'd get the votes in the end. CL, I've enjoyed many of those posts where you look at the implications of quotes and I remember your insight that Courtney would make it to the end for a simple reason: I agreed. I combined it with her Ep.#1 confessional about China being her own personal Hell to say her story still couldn't have a happy ending. I do believe that there are roles that cannot win, "Tourists" and "Dumb Players" being the most obvious examples. I agree that Colleen's personality would not have been altered had she won but you admit that there would have been some tweaking done to her edit... and that was season one when strategy wasn't necessarily expected by the vierwers. Interesting that you write that "she'd be put more in danger" which is precisely what first made me question whether Marcus is our winner. From the previews it seems that NEXT week will be the first time someone ever discusses booting Marcus and it comes from Dan, the completely powerless outsider. OooooH! Marcus must be shaking! Regarding Sugar, I see the foreshadowing for simply outlasting Ace. It would be enough to prove she isn't dumb and has learned about the game but I don't think it supports the role of sole survivor. To those who say that casual viewers don't see Marcus as the winner, I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm saying that he'd be one of their favorites for the win. His "Good Guy" confessionals with the subtext "Resident Physician" are almost enough to guarantee that. To Cassidy: Sorry, I had misread your original post.
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fat little fingers wrote:Maritime? Nah...just doing some grad school work in a small town called St. Stephen. Pretty sweet little area, not too much to distract and I get to focus on my work which is great. The best argument against Ace in my mind is that he is the focus of nearly everything and hence a distraction. Oh, and I don't think the INV is being over used at all - only in relationship to the pseudo episode 2. I see your logic on it though, and just feel a hesitation to swallow that little part of it. All that to say...I'm enjoying the season and I think it's Marcus too. I'm just hesitant to take Ace off...he's a gold mine of personality that they can't pass up...if he won the whole thing I don't think they'd pull too many punches. |
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Tom was not the most visible player on Koror ... both Ian and Katie also received at least as much visibility as Tom in any given episode.I'm afraid Charlie, Corinne, and Bob's lack of visibility is starting to drag down Marcus's winner chances. Marcus is threat #1, so he probably can only win by keeping the Onion together and pagonging the outsiders. Which means his closest allies shold be edited more like Ian and Katie. But if Charlie, Corinne, and Bob are low-visibility like members of the Rotu 4, maybe they go down at the hands of Ace, Sugar, Matty, Ken, and Randy. Remember that Ace and Matty are allies, and Matty and Randy are allies. If Crystal and Dan go in the double boot, all the "obvious Fang loser edits" will be gone. Haven't the editiors have made it a bit too obvious that Randy wants to be an Onion, that Randy hates Fang and will never work with them? If he is the key swing vote at the merge that changes the game, like Jonathan, that would justify his high visibility. And he's not flipping to take out Corinne and Charlie, and then letting unbeatable Marcus make the finals. PS: the above theory just occurred to me. Until now I've been sure some version of the Onion wins.
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Or Marcus could be like Parvati, winning all the challenges and his allies (Alexis, Natalie, Amanda) get much lower visibility. |
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But Parvati's allies Amanda and Cirie (and Ozzy) were getting tons of development ep.5-7.
And Alexis and Natalie were in a position similar to Randy, and we never saw things strategically through their eyes premerge. PS: Marcus won't win all the challenges with Matty around.
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craig wrote:Not saying that Marcus will go on an immunity run, but why not? He's outperformed Matty in almost every challenge thus far. Plus, most challenge these days end in puzzles. Not too tough too find out who'd win that in a Marcus/Matty battle. |
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Amanda and Cirie and Ozzy also happened to be split apart from Parvati. Alexis and Natalie weren't. Marcus has his three allies with him, and Ace/Sugar
still consider themselves allies with Marcus, so there ya go.
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The fact that Corinne, Charlie, and Bob got a great start and are now being neglected in a time where important players usually are tells me that they go far
with Marcus (who is well hidden). Ken and Matty, Ace and Sugar, Bob/Corrine/Charlie/Marcus, and Randy are all going to be important people in the merger.
Susie, Dan and Crystal are all non-entities to the merger.
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