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Dr Will Hatch two point oh |
Sign here if you are tired with "the game" |
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Posts: 5854 (11/15/08 11:14 AM) Registered user |
No, not Survivor itself, that is the point I'm going to make. It's simply common sense, but I don't think a lot of new viewers understand what this
show is truly about. The reason I like Gabon so much, and the reason I think it is relativly unpopular here, is that is focuses on the castaways more than
tactical dynamics. Now I love discussing stratagy and speculating and trying to understand that dimension of the game, but it is compleatly pointless if I
can't connect to the people on the screen. I like the Gabon castaways, I wasn't too fond of Chinas cast, and so forth. That is natural for people to
have different tastes, but many new posters here are more interested in the game itself. I ask you, do you truly find Borneo boring, and if so, why? If
anything, it is a good anthropological exercise. Or do I take the show too seriously? Is it really just throwaway entertainment?
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^ There's no way I can respond to something this incoherent. |
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Posts: 5856 (11/15/08 12:09 PM) Registered user |
Well, it couldn't be any more simple. The castaways are the show. Without interesting players, there is no point in watching,no matter how interesting the
'game' situation is. Like Micronesia was an interesting tactical season, but that's it. Some people, particularly new posters, like it this way,
and I want to know why.
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Sign here if you're sick of Hatch's pointless threads:
-Quiddity (self-declared winner of Hatch's CTS game) On a serious note though, I would agree that Micronesia's 'Fan' cast was quite horrific, and the season was an absolute disaster up until Ozzy's exit. After that, things were pretty good mostly due to the blindsides, something which just doesn't have the same memorability on re-watches. A season with better characters, but less interesting strategic events would likely be more liked by myself. Although you gotta admit that Cirie and Natalie were big time characters during that phase of the game, so it wasn't a total waste.
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:Cliffnotes, plz. |
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ndralcasid |
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I just lost the game
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rolandofthewhite |
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Uh, didn't WillHatch make a thread not too long ago saying he watched for the challenges?
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Posts: 5859 (11/15/08 12:55 PM) Registered user |
rolandofthewhite wrote: I never said that. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:Yes you did! I saw you do it! |
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snowboarders only |
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Come again?
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Posts: 5861 (11/15/08 1:41 PM) Registered user |
That the game can only be interesting if the people on the show get pre eminance. That the hidden immunity idol, challenges, stratagy,etc, are all important but take a back seat to 'getting to know' the castaways. |
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I honestly don't know what season you have been watching compared to getting to know the castaways even in seasons like Amazon and Pearl Islands (which
were really the last two seasons IMO that had a balance of gameplay and survival)....Gabon is all really about the game. Sure we had a few moments of watching
elephants parade into camp and Marcus pretending he had a microphone while reading tree mail but we get that every season.
The game element becoming more and more the main focus and it isn't that surprising that the show evolved that way because each season the game becomes a bit more complex. I'm not tired of it at all in actuality, the show has changed. I could see that this season might seem less about strategy then last season.... but so did Vanuatu to All Stars. |
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Posts: 5863 (11/15/08 3:56 PM) Registered user |
I don't agree, Gabon has actually shown the castaways as well as the game play involved. It is different because they have found balance. With Micronesia,
they had 20 people, which automatically makes it a bad season, not to mention all of the idol business. I liked most of the cast, but the blindsides were not a
result of a more complex game, but it had to do with stupidity, and the convoluted nature of re-hidden idols made it worse. With China, well I just didn't
like the cast that much, the area wasn't that appealing, they totally blew the opportunities they had to embrace chinese culture, and gave too much
attention to James idols. With Fiji, again, 19 is too many people, and the luxury camp twist was horrendous. Even if they put the Moto camp up for reward every
season, it was still a bad idea. I liked the cast, what I didn't like was the '4 from each overly generalized race', and if they had 18 people or
even better, 16, I would love Fiji. Cook Islands had an interesting tactical situation, but I'd be willing to give that up just so we can see the people
even more. Drop one person from each tribe(lets say Sundra, JP, Brad and Flika), and the season would have improved astronomically. I liked the Guatemalan cast
but hated the outcome, likewise with Vanuatu. Palau was great, but it would have been fantastic had they dropped two people(lets say Jonathan and Ashlee).
So essentially, less is more, and the cast has to be appealing. For some reason I like this cast A LOT, and you have to admit that you get to know these people better than on other post ASS seasons, save Panama. |
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:I do not sign on that I am tired of the game. I did find Borneo boring because it was not fun to see Tagi just pick Pagong off |
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Posts: 5865 (11/15/08 4:10 PM) Registered user |
Yeah, it was more complex than just the mantra saying "Pagong was naive". Pagong had several budding stratagists who were squashed because Gretchen
had a dumb idealism and Greg was just interested in playing mind games with the cast and crew. Kelly and Sean could of joined Jenna, Gervase and Colleen, but
didn't because Rich was such a great stratagist. It's not as if the dynamics of the game are hard to figure out, the game is all about what people do
with that information.
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The problem boils down to time.
The more complex the strategy, the more time that needs to be devoted to it. They could easily run Survivor as a 90-minute program and it wouldn't suffer at all with all of their bonus footage. We haven't really seen a ton of camp life stuff this season- I think it's just that the camp life stuff we have seen this season has been far more compelling. |
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Posts: 5866 (11/15/08 4:16 PM) Registered user |
Absoutly. I want as much footage as possible, and I want twists galore. But bloated casts and the HII serve no purpose whatsoever, they just make the game more
convoluted.Twists like the Outcasts are great because it provides a dilemma for the castaways and the audience. I remember going fucking bonkers when that
episode aired.
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The emphasis of the editing for both Survivor and The Amazing Race changed significantly after the first few seasons of each show. The turning point for
Survivor was the Thailand season which was critically panned. Not only was the gameplay overly conservative and predictable but also production realized that
they could not rely solely on the cast to make entertaining television for the average viewer. The average viewer did not find Helen's recipe spouting and
Jake's Roy Rogers tales to be entertaining. Starting with the next cycle, which was the Pearl Islands season, production started putting more emphasis on
the game itself by introducing twists and making the game more complex. The attitude was that the average viewers were more interested in watching the action,
drama and suspense rather than watch people lying around and not doing much of anything
As time went on, the producers continued to put more emphasis on the game itself with the addition of the HII, Exile Island and also by making the challenges more complicated (starting in Palau). Things went to the extreme during the Cook Islands/Fiji cycle. The challenges in Cook Islands were so complicated (often involving multiple stages) and lengthy that nearly half the cast was ignored. The Cook Islands season has the fewest average number of confessionals per episode of any season. The challenges weren't as lengthy in Fiji but the Haves vs. Have not twist turned out to be a really bad idea. Also, the Fiji cast was among the worst. After the disappointment with the Fiji season, they took a hard look at what went wrong and scaled back on the lengthy challenges and some of the gimmicky twists in favor of more cast development. Tle fire making challenge in the last Gabon episode is as basic as it gets. China and Gabon have been better balanced between cast development and gameplay than the previous post ASS seasons. Micronesia was a departure with returning contestants so like All Stars its not a typical season. |
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Posts: 5867 (11/15/08 4:54 PM) Registered user |
That's a pretty good summation with editorializing thrown in. |
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I don't see a sifnificant difference in character development between the last two seasons. (I'd take Joel and Chet's development over GC and
Kelly). The difference was the Faves had been character developed for us in their original season, so they plunged into the game with pre-existing friendships
and rivalries
You probably enjoy the hardcore personalities this season more than the girls who dominated the endgame last season. They cast a lot of villian-types, some enjoy that and some don't |
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Posts: 1784 (11/15/08 5:13 PM) Stranger with benefits
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Dr Will Hatch two point oh wrote:Oh, ok. |
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