S17 Week 11 - Solving Riddles in MESS Hall Archive Forum

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S17 Week 11 - Solving Riddles

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chad6		#41	[-]
Posts: 4049 12/07/08 03:21 AM Registered user More Recent Posts	So Kenny most likely gets his get-up from the reward right? It's funny, when I saw the merge color I thought it was so un-Africa but with Kenny's get-up, maybe the tribes in Gabon like to use that bright blue color and that's where the inspiration came from.
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crocophile		#42	[-]
Posts: 14094 12/07/08 06:54 AM MESS with me, I'll MESS with you More Recent Posts	Yes and either Crystal or Bob have something red on. Kenny's new outfit might be consisitant with what the 3rd figure in the F5 walk wears in VG's images. She also names Matty, Sugar, then Kenny, Crystal and Susie as the F5 in her collage...if that's true Bob is eliminated this week. If they have an mini ATC Bob will get the $100k.
birdlady		#43	[-]
Posts: 5320 12/07/08 09:10 AM Registered user More Recent Posts	If that's what Sugar has planned, it would be a pretty simple maneuver, waiting till the votes are cast to move the Idol to the intended user .That's the simplest, but it doesn't make good sense. (Unless the promo meant to say "simple-minded" plan.) If Sugar, or anyone, wants to pull an idol trick, why make a big deal out of wearing the idol? Isn't the obvious, paranoid, question for everyone "What if she doesn't go through with it?" If they got those outfits at reward, the third clean shirt person should have one, too. Presumably yellow?
Kirblar		#44	[-]
Posts: 11421 12/07/08 09:32 AM Registered user More Recent Posts	crocophile wrote: Yes and either Crystal or Bob have something red on. Kenny's new outfit might be consisitant with what the 3rd figure in the F5 walk wears in VG's images. She also names Matty, Sugar, then Kenny, Crystal and Susie as the F5 in her collage...if that's true Bob is eliminated this week. If they have an mini ATC Bob will get the $100k. Was that her work? I thought someone had just used her vidcaps.
Kona		#45	[-]
Posts: 1885 12/07/08 09:43 AM MESS member More Recent Posts	birdlady wrote: If that's what Sugar has planned, it would be a pretty simple maneuver, waiting till the votes are cast to move the Idol to the intended user .That's the simplest, but it doesn't make good sense. (Unless the promo meant to say "simple-minded" plan.) If Sugar, or anyone, wants to pull an idol trick, why make a big deal out of wearing the idol? Isn't the obvious, paranoid, question for everyone "What if she doesn't go through with it?" IF Corinne was right in saying F6 was the last time to use the HII in this game then Sugar might as well use it, needed or not. Blatantly wearing it to TC then passing it to someone after the voting seems like a simple plan. I still see all but Susie, or her dreamteam doppelganger, in the F5 walk past the huts but I can't see why she would be the one targeted by such a move. It would seem Sugar would want to take out Kenny or Mattybird.
Kirblar		#46	[-]
Posts: 11421 12/07/08 10:24 AM Registered user More Recent Posts	From SurvivorPhoenix's front page: FYI - Someone has placed their guesses on one of our vidcaps and has posted it in a way that makes it seem we identified the F5. We want to make it clear that those IDs, right or wrong, are theirs and not ours. We have chosen to leave it up to posters to decide for themselves.
tullfan2		#47	[-]
Posts: 4251 12/07/08 10:36 AM Registered User More Recent Posts	Since Sugar is apparently wearing the HII while going to TC, maybe Corrine's statement that the HII is only good thru day 36 is correct.
birdlady		#48	[-]
Posts: 5320 12/07/08 10:48 AM Registered user More Recent Posts	If Susie were booted, that would be a "shocking turn of events". I know it's simple for Sugar to give the idol to someone, but what is the plan that is simple? She tells everyone she's going to play it, and backs that up by wearing it openly. If they trust her and she keeps her word, simple enough. But there's no check to make sure she follows through. (Her route to the finals is pretty clear, just because of the onion-hate. Even if she screws over two people here, there's two people left in the game who benefited, so hard to guarantee she is the next boot in payback.) Or, she tells some subset of allies that she's going to tell everyone else she is going to play it, but really she's going to give it to one of them. Not terribly complicated, but again, no check to make sure she doesn't keep it or give it to someone else.
Kona		#49	[-]
Posts: 1885 12/07/08 11:24 AM MESS member More Recent Posts	There could be a shocking turn of idol swapping at the TC Bob wins immunity so the plan is to vote for Matty. Sugar and Matty's plan is to blindside Kenny. Honorable Bob surprises everyone by actually giving his IN to Kenny per his promise. Sugar's plan is ruined. After the vote Sugar gives Matty the HII and Susie has the second highest vote. . . . just a thought . . .
birdlady		#50	[-]
Posts: 5320 12/07/08 11:41 AM Registered user More Recent Posts	A simple plan is hatched to put the hidden immunity idol into play, resulting in a shocking turn of events at Tribal Council Sounds like the plan involves the hidden idol. If they want to "blindside" Kenny, they just vote for him, no need to involve the idol. Why would Bob win the immunity challenge, if he feels like he has made a serious promise to give immunity to Kenny? Why not come in a close second - Kenny can't blame you for trying, Kenny's turncoat allies can't blame you for screwing up their plan, and you don't re-emphasize your own status as immunity threat. The only way it makes sense for Bob to win is if he plans to give the necklace to Ken, but expects the idol from Sugar. But why target Susie, rather than Matty?
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Kona		#51	[-]
Posts: 1885 12/07/08 12:04 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	I admit this is a harebrain, way out scenario, but it does sorta fit so I just floated it out there In defending my harebrain I'm thinking if there were just a straight vote it would be a 3 3 tie, even with Bob's vote, so he is not let in on the Sugar / Matty blindside plan. Honorable Bob would still try his best at the IC because it's in his nature. He waits until Probst asks at TC to fulfill his promise because he doesn't want to be pre targeted. . . . just floating it out there . . .
KJ4TheWin		#52	[-]
Posts: 192 12/07/08 12:12 PM More Recent Posts	Kona wrote: There could be a shocking turn of idol swapping at the TC Bob wins immunity so the plan is to vote for Matty. Sugar and Matty's plan is to blindside Kenny. Honorable Bob surprises everyone by actually giving his IN to Kenny per his promise. Sugar's plan is ruined. After the vote Sugar gives Matty the HII and Susie has the second highest vote. . . . just a thought . . . Bob would them be voted out, don't you think? Because the immunity necklace has to be given up before the vote.
Kona		#53	[-]
Posts: 1885 12/07/08 12:19 PM MESS member More Recent Posts	But if it were a surprise would they talk openly in TC of changing the target from Matty? The only really odd part of the Harebrain Scenario is why Susie and not Crystal?
urrout		#54	[-]
Posts: 2405 12/07/08 12:19 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	What about the HII? Can it be passed after the vote? That would go with the "idols being played differently this year". No one has ever passed it after the vote before, have they?
birdlady		#55	[-]
Posts: 5320 12/07/08 12:33 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	Not harebrained, brainstorming! Thinking creatively! Out of the box! Smoke more iboga! would they talk openly in TC Well, Crystal has paved the way for shouting openly... I think I could work my way around to targeting Susie if everyone has become convinced that she has the most compelling jury story (a la Denise). Could Matty's girlfriend have blurted out about him blowing the trust fund?
Kirblar		#56	[-]
Posts: 11421 12/07/08 12:50 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	urrout wrote: What about the HII? Can it be passed after the vote? That would go with the "idols being played differently this year". No one has ever passed it after the vote before, have they? Assuming the rules have not changed, you can give it to someone during the period where Jeff asks if anyone wishes to play it.
urrout		#57	[-]
Posts: 2405 12/07/08 01:05 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	But has anyone ever given it away at TC? Sugar still has one more TC that she can use the idol too so Corrine was wrong.
Kirblar		#58	[-]
Posts: 11421 12/07/08 01:10 PM Registered user More Recent Posts	urrout wrote: But has anyone ever given it away at TC? Sugar still has one more TC that she can use the idol too so Corrine was wrong. No one ever has. The Horseman had talked about calling an audible and moving the idol if they thought the vote had changed, but didn't do it. Could this be why Corrine thought that this was the last time the Idol could be used?! If Ken gets 4 votes and Matty 2, but Sugar gives the Idol to Ken after the votes have been read- it gives us the Ken "blindside" , a Matty boot, and a new way of playing the Idol. The big reason I've been feeling so strongly towards a Matty boot has been the "Fellow Fang Forest Foragers" clue from Phoenix. That seemed to scream "Fang F4" - which would imply that it is not a Fang F5, meaning Bob lasts one more TC.
crocophile		#59	[-]
Posts: 14094 12/07/08 02:12 PM MESS with me, I'll MESS with you More Recent Posts	Kirblar wrote: crocophile wrote: Yes and either Crystal or Bob have something red on. Kenny's new outfit might be consisitant with what the 3rd figure in the F5 walk wears in VG's images. She also names Matty, Sugar, then Kenny, Crystal and Susie as the F5 in her collage...if that's true Bob is eliminated this week. If they have an mini ATC Bob will get the $100k. Was that her work? I thought someone had just used her vidcaps. I think you are correct that isn't at SP, and the image doe snot have the SP url. Somone must have forgot to etch out VG's brand. VG does have this TVGuide scan on Jeff's take of the remaining contestants. Last Edited By: crocophile 12/07/08 02:14 PM. Edited 1 times.
kenc333		#60	[-]
Posts: 13543 12/07/08 02:24 PM More Recent Posts	I'm just gonna put these things together. From the article: ...with castaways voting from the heart and not the heads. A quote from Crystal this episode: "My heart tells me take Matty out. Corinne is no threat to me in no way, shape or form. This is like my only chance to really get him out and it's been wrecking my brain. The mental part of this game is kicking my ass." But Corinne ended up leaving. Don't know if it has any significance, but these quotes seemed to fit together pretty well.
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