I have never heard of this Seattle freeze phenomenom before reading this thread.
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Seahawketti |
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Well, you can call me passive aggressive and all the other stereotypes. But it just seems you consider yourself above someone that lives in the suburbs, or
whatever, so I don't know if you give off that vibe or what. But I guess we all consider ourselves above some other group, so whatever.
I have never heard of this Seattle freeze phenomenom before reading this thread. |
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nololos |
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Well thankfully we don't have kids. As far as a "freeze?" Growing up in Greenwich CT and seeing the way people treat each other there...I'll
just be used to it, I guess.
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Sunnie |
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I heard, a number of years ago, when some CA'ians started buying homes en masse in Seattle, there was resentment. But I know several families that did it,
and are doing fine, except hating the gloomy weather. But no problems with making friends or fitting in.
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Zzunk |
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Seattle Freeze = Californians or people who don't them.
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GlamsSlam |
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Well quoting someone from that blog...
Locals tend to blame "the freeze" on transplants (Seattle people, who love citing statistics will remind us outsiders that we outnumber them), but it's unlikely that people moving in from other cities, where this isn't so much a topic, all happen to share these personality traits. Its always the same with Seattle people "he who accuses, excuses"... Some people are aware of it, some not.. just making a point that when I came back after being away for years I thought it was bullshit too and then I realized nope. OWN YOUR BULLSHIT! I am not suburban, loathe sports, don't wear keens, hate the outdoors and well I have my friends and my closest friends have ended up being from somewhere else.. I just outgrew Seattle and while I still see my old friends just not as much.. this is a very "family" oriented town... anyone without kids or single tends to live in the city and are not from here.. my crowd city, transplants, sophisticated... Seattle crowd not that and I am fine with that but its the Passive Agressive bullshit I find appalling.. If I like to wear Manolo's or Prada don't play the phony "are those real I thought they were made up for a TV show" or "why anyone would wear something that expensive..." Hey fuck you its my money and I will do with it what I like why people give a shit about that is beyond me but they do here.. very obsessed with money here and what things cost.. always "blaming" outsiders and shit for everything.. god let's be Detroit shall we and kick out Boeing and Microsoft and then talk about the state of the city.... Here is another article about Seattle... 10 Things You Should Know Before Moving to Seattle Where do you find inspiration? Out of all the places to find inspiration for a blog post, my current favorite is deep within the RCG stats where I can find the search terms that people use to reach this site. Today, someone came to RCG looking for: [things+you+should+know+before+moving+to+Seattle], and while we likely disappointed that particular visitor, I would like to make amends by offering up this list of ten things you should know before moving to Seattle: 1) It rains. 2) No really, it rains a lot here. Despite what they say about it raining more in Atlanta, Boston, or D.C., the rain in Seattle can be like a slow trickle that never turns off. But the rain is okay… really… because one day… some day… it stops. And on those first few warm, sunny spring days, all of life is good in a way that Californians will never understand (unless they move to Seattle). 3) Seattle isn't always comfortable being a high-tech town. Sure we design operating systems, sell stuff online, try to appraise every home in America and stream lots of music and movies, but a substantial portion of the population relates much more to the art of building airplanes. 4) Consensus Rules. Just agree with me on this one or I'll never be able to get to #5. 5) Traffic Rules. People in Seattle talk a lot more about traffic than the weather. Depending on where you are moving from, traffic will either be horrible or a non-issue. Most blue-state people will laugh at Seattle traffic because you can normally get between any two points in the City in under a half-hour at all times of the day. Red-state people see the parking lot known as SR 520 and wonder why we haven't build another bridge yet (see #4 for a hint at the answer). 6) Seattle is not that big. We have all the stuff associated with life in a major city: Theaters, traffic, ballets, sports teams, traffic, skyscrapers, music, etc., but you really don't have to travel far to feel like you are in rural America. 7) Seattle is closer to Asia than Mexico. If one of the staples of your diet consists of cheap and tasty Mexican food, then you will eventually replace that staple with Pho. The sooner you accept this (and the sooner you stop saying "The Mexican food is so much better in California"), the sooner Seattleites will let you know about the good Asian restaurants. (And by the way, since we're talking about good food, I feel obliged to mention that the Mexican food I remember growing up with in California was so much better than anything you can find in Seattle…) 8) The intersection of NE 50th St and 40th Ave NE is about a mile away from 50th Ave NE and NE 40th St. In the Seattle area, all the street names are numbered and given one of nine directions (NW, N, NE, SW, S, SE, E, W or blank). The numbers begin at 1 in downtown Seattle and radiate out wards. The directions also radiate out, but are city specific, unless, of course, they aren't… Like at the intersection of 244th St SW, 100th Ave W, N 205th St and 8th Ave NW. There is logic to the entire street system and if you live here long enough, you will understand. Until then, you will be confused and miss appointments, meetings, birthdays, etc.. On a related real estate note, if you are new to Seattle, do not attempt to search for a home without a real estate agent. The street system was designed by a committee of real estate agents who wanted to ensure that you need their help to locate a home. ;) Also on a related note, Redfin has proposed new street names (featuring real names) for all streets in a effort to ensure the viability of their business model, but at this point, they are still very far from getting consensus on their proposed naming convention. 9) Paul Allen. 10) Despite what you might have read in Wired, Fremont is the Center of the Universe. And another on the "Freeze" and this is optimistic.. which there is truth in this as well.. you have to see BOTH sides and get your proverbial and provincial heads out of your asses to see all sides.. thanks. 0,000 years ago a retreating glacier carved out the terrain of Seattle. According to adherents of the phenomenon known as the "Seattle Freeze" residents are still a little chilly. No other city in the country has a reputation quite like Seattle's for being polite to strangers yet decidedly unfriendly to newcomers, though you wouldn't know it from the viewpoint of some residents. A Seattle Times article published a few years ago detailing the matter set the city talking, and it has yet to shut up. In fact, if you're ever in the mood to polarize a group, just mention the Freeze. Now I'm aware that as a native of the area my opinion on the issue doesn't count as far as transplants are concerned, so even though I've lived in other cities for several years of my life and know what it's like to be a newcomer, I'll keep my opinion to myself. You're welcome. Regardless of where you fall on the freezing spectrum, you should know it is possible to thaw the Freeze. My friend Bay, a recent transplant, claims that she has not experienced the phenomenon because she put a lot of work into making friends when, and even before, she arrived in Seattle. Not interested in working that hard? What about partying hard? A group called the Seattle Anti-Freeze does just that, throwing regular events and parties with the mission of "unfreezing Seattle, party by party." Not into the partying so much? There are also Anti-Freeze Groups, including the Anti-Freeze Runners, Community Volunteering and the Ski & Snowboard Bums. Visit the website to sign up for evites to the events. Parties coming up include Drink for the Cure/Bid for the Cure - Charity Auction benefiting the Susan G. Komen Foundation on October 1st and a Halloween Costume Party Cruise on October 31st. There are more things happening, just check the website to see, or join the group on Facebook. You just missed a Toga Party, but don't be too sad, it wasn't their first and likely won't be the last. The glacier is gone, people, it's time to move on. Go thaw the Freeze |
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Zzunk |
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Glam, the Freeze is a self-fulfilling prophecy for those that buy into it. I'm thinking those that perceive it are inherently more social than most of the
couch potatoes that define the PNW.
The nicest people I know in the PNW are long time residents and locals (excluding rednecks and the such). It's a lot easier to "fit in" if one don't try to be an import wearing fancy clothes or bragging about vacations to glamorous places. PNW'ers are pretty easy going and don't make a big deal about things social. I've played touch football with no names and others that have their name on department stores. I've gone blueberry picking with neighbors and hung out at the annual pancake breakfast on 4th of July with the long timers and they are very pleasant. My experience is that Californians and other imports bring with them an attitude that has accelerated the gentrification of the PNW. Yes, there are lots of punks, but I don't count them and their pop-off attitudes (they'll grow eventually). |
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GlamsSlam |
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That is a pretentious answer.. bullshit.. on that.. people here are rude and ignorant and petty and jealous. And that is also in other cities too.. but
incredibly pervasive here. People should be able to wear and vacation where they like.. and when someone says "I like your shoes/shirt/etc" and you
respond thanks and didn't get them at Value Village or some other "vintage" store you are immediately branded as "bragging" come on
what bullshit.. I grew up here too with all the same "names" whoopie fucking do... I went to all the right schools and socialized with all the down
to earth people.. its not them. its the fucking hicks that pervade here that barely are educated, never traveled and incredibly resentful of people who have
made money here and don't want to play grubby REI Volvo drivers.. some of us earned our money the hard way too and if we want to drive nice cars, wear nice
clothes and expect decent service in restaurants then we should.. the fucking lacksadisical service and nonchalance about getting someone to wait on you here..
there is a pretentious arrogance here and it was in San Francisco as well by those who had nothing or came from it and are insecure about who they are on chain
of life.
The freeze isn't not just a Seattle thing its more a West Coast thing.. because the region is filled with poseurs seeking to fit into the perceived connotations of each cities "style". For here its wannabee musicians/tech geeks/loners and outdoorsy; Portland its arts and architecture saving the planet wierdos, San Francisco gays and tech nerds to the south; LA is all about the star baby and San Diego its surfer beach wannbees.. Lived in all the cities there and know them all well.. Lived in others too and some just don't quite have the pretention that the West Coast has. |
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nololos |
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Funny but everywhere I have lived people care about and want to know what you are wearing/job you have/car you drive/shoes/bags etc. I thought that was just
NORMAL (not that I do) I mean this "freeze" thing could really apply to any city, you just have to look for it.
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Zzunk |
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We love 'ya Glam, but you need a vacation, or just a mud bath at one of those hippie hot springs. There's too much to love about the PNW to make it
seem unfriendly. Do you need a hug ? I'll be in Seattle after Christmas.
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nololos |
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So Zzunk...you think I would find some love there? People wouldn't hate me 'cause I'm not from there, drive a nice car (not 4WD) and have the Louie
Cammo Speedy bag?
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GlamsSlam |
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Sorry no don't... just because I don't think its all sunshine and lollipops makes me some kind of fucknut.. I live here, I have been elsewhere and just
don't think its Nirvana.. that was a band.. and I honestly find the NWST very provincial. I just am honest and in this day and age we need more honesty and
less delusion...
I never said it was "unfriendly" I just pointed out what others have said, there is a freeze here.. why people think I am speaking about me is well another indication of the reading comprehension problem that may exist here. I am like many others who feel the same way.. its a very passive aggressive town and difficult to break through some of the weird barriers and bullshit people have about outsiders here.. as for me it didn't bother me then, it doesn't bother me now but I do recognize it, acknowledge it and know it exists and I do my best to not be one of them. So Stupidhawkeeti can understand.. I have friends dumbshit I just know how difficult it is to make them here its called empathy.. look it up. |
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Zzunk |
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Nololos -- You'll make as many friends as you are willing to put the effort in finding them. Bake something and take it over to the neighbors. Give out
some dog biscuits when walking your dogs on the same route. Put an Obama sticker on your car, even if it's a gas-guzzling, 2WD american-made model. Join a
liberal church or look for a drumming group on Craigs List. Add lots of black and dark gray to your wardrobe (with bright accents, I'm told). And tell
everyone how wonderful Chai tea is.
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nololos |
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So I shouldn't wear my aloha shirts, coconut bra and grass skirt? Even with Keenes?
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