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AndreSurvivor		#3001	[-]
Posts: 438 (04/10/09 12:22 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	SwineForkbeard wrote: I would suggest <edited for potential spoilers> Not cool. Everyone in edgic already knows to stay out of spoilers, and if they do go in, they don't make winner picks.
Kathy Fan 2		#3002	[-]
Posts: 4890 (04/10/09 12:25 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Okay. Someone help me out here. Has anyone looked at past winners vs. their editing for that respective season? Ie: Last season Bob was hidden as the winner. Really fucking hidden. (not unlike Danni?) but this season, if JT or Stephen wins, their visibility was THROUGH THE ROOF for this merge episode. It practically shoves a "HEY! ONE OF US IS GOING TO WIN!' message down our throats. Is that normal coming off of a season where the previous winner edit was so subtle? Do the editors try to keep an alternating pattern of winner edits to try and mix it up? It feels weird that JT and Stephen got sooooooo much airtime. It's highly likely now that one of them could win, but isn't it a little too obvious? I mean even for the casual fans...
colleenlover		#3003	[-]
Posts: 9091 (04/10/09 12:25 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	redwing, absolutely agree with you in terms of the strategy for Coach and Tyson -they have to know that JT and Stephen will agree to anything for this round since they are in the minority. And Coach/Tyson have to take it for fact they will be told anything. And Joe is still in the game from their point of view at this stage!! terrible gameplay. As it stands now, I find it hard to fathom how Taj/JT and Stephen WON'T be successful in making thier goal -with only immunity winning causing a hiccup for final three. This was worse than Lex/Ethan/Tom in Africa's brilliant let's boot both Kelly and Clarence and keep the four Samburus with no previous votes.
colleenlover		#3004	[-]
Posts: 9092 (04/10/09 12:28 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Kathy to the casual fan, isn't it still about JT and Stephen being doomed because they don't have the numbers? I know it seems retarded (*TM Stephenie), but I feel it's about Coach and Tyson being the winners running the game for the misleading intention.
Kathy Fan 2		#3005	[-]
Posts: 4891 (04/10/09 1:01 PM) Registered user Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	That makes sense. Edgic people know Coach and Tyson are out of the running, but the casual fans are probably misled this episode to thinking that they are not. But even still, it was sooooo much JT and Stephen. I can't even recall an episode where 1 player got so much airtime. It seemed like JT got a confessional every 30 seconds of the episode. Perhaps it's just me - but I like a good pagoning. A pagoning with STRATEGIC players - not idiots (see: Jan/Helen/Tedd in Thailand). There's just something disappointing about a season where a tribe goes into a merge with the numbers - and through their own idiocy and downright stupid goddamn gameplay somehow lose control and allow (presumably) JT, Stephen & Taj become the final 3 of the season. I will be REALLY pissed if that is how things turn out. It just doesn't entertain me as well as a season where a basic pagoning occurs and then the struggle for control at the F7/5/3 occurs.
fat little fingers		#3006	[-]
Posts: 6027 (04/10/09 1:16 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I agree that Stephen has a very hi vis CP edit, but look at his story: close friend of one of the most popular and strong players, JT, and involved in the Exile Alliance and just about every story on Jalapao. And it's been all about the long game and the win. What seems to be his big manipulation is the at-risk bit. From his opening, where he's relieved that Sandy is there to keep him from the bottom, to his fear of JT on the walk to camp, to his repeating that he's this neurotic, out- of- his- element, Jewish city kid, to Sydney's recrap scene, telling us how inept Stephen is, compared to JT, to his having to "share" the idol with JT and Taj, (he tells us that it lowers his importance to them), to his stressing out over Brendan and Sierra's lack of contact after the merge, (all those worried face shots). The guy's got Taj and JT wrapped around his finger, but the edit pushes his vulnerability.
chapera rocks		#3007	[-]
Posts: 10694 (04/10/09 1:40 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	fat little fingers wrote: Erinn haters Not to single you out cr, but rather the whole fan-based posting that's going on here. Approaching decisions based on fan appeal (love, hate, whatever) means people aren't playing Edgic, they're using Edgic as an audience for fan mongering. A certain amount of the silliness is okay, but it's really gotten tiresome lately. This is my official, polite, respectful request to dial it back. If anyone is offended by this request, you don't understand the basis of this thread. I can see why the overwhelming support for Erinn could be tiresome (and if you've looked in this thread even, I've questioned craig's comments of Erinn teaming up with so and so that had no basis), but the same can be said for Erinn haters (a general term). Maybe its a response mechanism or whatever, but I'm trying to look at it objectively, and it seems like you all are pissed off to the point of downplaying her edit. Fact is, she has had a story, we know where she stands, she's had just enough substance to remain edgically viable, though without being a top contender. That's all I'm saying. Everyone except J.T. and Stephen have some sort of glaring fault, but Erinn's (and arguably Tyson's) faults are not enough to eliminate her.
taks		#3008	[-]
Posts: 88 (04/10/09 1:45 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	So I just finished watching the episode and I'm completely lost in the story. Hey, you know what got a ton of doubt this episode? The exile alliance. After bajillions of hours pre-merge devoted to the creation of the exile alliance and how awesome it was going to be, we see it disintegrate in just a few minutes at the merge. It seems clear that the Exile Alliance makes a bigger impact than that and so I have to believe that it is about to hit it big and someone not in said alliance (most likely candidate I believe is Coach) will be sent packing. And how the heck are we supposed to figure out tones for this episode at all? Everyone was throwing all sorts of unusual SPV at everyone else. JT praises Coach. Erinn praises Coach. Tyson bashes Sierra/Brendan. Coach praises JT/Stephen. What is going on? The editors spent six episodes getting us to hate Coach and see the brilliance of the Exile Alliance and now positively tinged JT is praising the guy? And we're supposed to believe that Brendan is stupid? Were JT/Stephen positive this episode? Do we even have a case for Coach being negative? How about Brendan - he didn't do anything especially deceitful today! What's his tone? I think I'm just gonna smack an "M" on the entire episode. Help me, I'm lost! This episode was clearly different because it had no outcome. Joe leaving the game was not an end to this episode, as he was in a grand total of zero strategy talk... Preliminary Ratings (ALL tones are subject to change): Forza JT: CP(P?)5 - No reason to explain this. He is so totally in game mode it's not a joke. This is a far cry from 1D challenge monster Ozzy. JT is smart. In terms of strategy and social inroads, he did just as much if not more than Stephen this episode. Don't take him for the simple country boy (I'm looking at you, Coach!). Stephen: CP(Neutral?)4 - Loads of strategy talk again. Stephen is either the most neurotic person ever or is getting a ton of edited anxiety. He's looking just as solid as ever Tyson: CP(N?)4 - I'm tempted to chuck an OTT at him and Coach for being so outrageously overconfident in their own abilities. This wouldn't accurately depict all the character comments they gave though. We know his gameplay and we know his tribal standing. Tyson's mind is clear to us. Coach: CP(Neutral? Can I give him an R for "ridiculous"?)4 - He wasn't ridiculously contradicted this episode. I'm sad. His dragonslayer and orchestrater comments were disturbingly arrogant. He took credit for stuff he didn't do. He had that ridiculous lightning-laced meditation scene. However, he also was upset Brendan lied about the idol (editors say: brendan did lie), told JT he wouldn't lie to him (editors say: Coach didn't lie) and pegged JT for an honest person (editors say: jury is still out). Taj: MOR(P?)3 - Got Exile Alliance strategy stuff. Was just there to show Stephen's thought processes. Debbie: UTR(Neutral?P?)1 - Damn girl, what'd you do to those editors to make them hate you so much? Sierra: UTR(N?)1 - Nearly invisible. When she wasn't she was idiotic. Brendan: MOR(N?)3 - Was talked about so much I felt he deserves the "3". Narrated briefly what the Exile Alliance's old plan seemed to be. Erinn: MOR(Neutral?)2 - Got everything she was going to get this episode. I've been a long time Erinn hater, but I don't think this was as bad for her edit as everyone seems to claim. If I was Vegas I'd give her like a 1/1000 shot. I've given up on attempting to discuss her though - it's too hard to separate the serious posts from the ad hominem attacks. Joe: UTR2 - Hah. Joe gets his UTR2. He deserved it. Winners List: JT - Nothing this episode made me think any less of him. Stephen - See above. Brendan/Erinn - The only other two I haven't completely eliminated. At this point, it looks like I should. Losers: Everyone else.
scepticA		#3009	[-]
Posts: 1554 (04/10/09 1:49 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	KathyFan, I did talk to a casual fan last night after the episode. They were horrified that either Coach or Tyson were going to win - they're such jerks, you know. I asked about JT or Stephen, and this lady almost felt sorry for them - they're nice guys, but Coach/Tyson are so in charge. Now, she isn't an edgic'r and bases who she wants to win on like/dislike (she likes Taj a lot, and couldn't remember Erinn's name LOL), but she somehow hoped that JT and Stephen could beat the two jerks. Now, this is a person who doesn't dwell on things like we do, but likes the show a lot. If what we think is going to happen does come to fruition, there will be a lot of fans who will be quite happy with a Stephen win. thinking back to JP's statement about a satisfying winner or whatever (of course, the general puffing up of every season could be in play), for Stephen (or JT) to vanquish the two jerks would be quite satisfying to people like my friend. Meanwhile - - Erinn? Who??
Kitty Pryde1		#3010	[-]
Posts: 9241 (04/10/09 1:52 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	While I don't think Sierra will win, I'm almost sure she's gonna be in the finals now. The unnecessary attention provided to her during the pre-merge makes me almost certain that she makes the final ?. Erinn will probably be there too if it's a final 3. And Stephen will be there with them. Those three could hardly be considered "warriors" and since Coach is always wrong, those three make the end, with Stephen being the most worthy of them.
augustus713		#3011	[-]
Posts: 68 (04/10/09 2:06 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Joe: UTRP2 - Left because of a medevac, and I still barely noticed he was there. Perhaps a MOR, but with everything else going on around camp without him, I think he deserves a UTR. Debbie: UTR1 - No insight at all despite being "included" in the alliance of 5 that was shown. Sierra: UTR1 - Done. I had high hopes for her in the beginning, but this episode pretty much buried her chances. Erinn: UTR2 - Done. Despite what the Erinn fanboys may like to believe, she's just not an integral part of the game or the editing. All the fanboys were pointing to her quote about hoping to make the merge so she can turn the game around or something. Well, the merge came and went, and she did absolutely nothing besides discovering that Brendan has the HII which everyone else in the game already knows anyway. Coach: CPM5 - Why are people giving Coach a OTT just because they're used to giving him a OTT? He was clearly CP this episode, changing his game around with the merge and trying to get rid of the person who he believes is the biggest threat to him. Yes, there were OTT moments like the Dragon Slayer and his morning workout, but remember, OTT elements can be a PART of a CP edit. Brendan: MOR3 - A lot of SPV boosts him up to a 3 for me. I don't think his negative SPV makes him a N, because the two people giving him most of it, Tyson and Coach, have N or M tones. I'm not sure this episode hurts Brendan as much as some people are saying. He explained why he chose not to communicate with Taj and Stephen, and I'm not sure what else they could have shown given that decision. Tyson: CPN4 - A great merge episode, but he just hasn't had enough substance pre-merge to be a contender at this point. I think this episode was more of a setup for his boot perhaps as soon as the next episode. Taj: MOR3 - She is NOT a P. I think the editors have wanted us to pull for the EA and she was shown agreeing to vote Brendan off. She explained her reasons, but there's no way she had a positive tone. JT: CPP5 - Positive SPV all around for JT. He explained all of his decisions pertaining to the game. His edit just screams Tom to me, both his physical abilities and his social game. Stephen: CP4 - Like JT, he explains all of his decisions. He has a great edit so far, but just like I said last week...is he Rob C or is he Todd? Winner: I've flipped back and forth between JT and Stephen. My heart says JT, my brain says Stephen. I've had Stephen as my #1 for 2 weeks now and I think I'll stick with him...for now. 1. Stephen 2. JT -------------- 3. Brendan Eliminated: Debbie, Coach, Taj, Tyson, Erinn, Sierra
fat little fingers		#3012	[-]
Posts: 6028 (04/10/09 2:15 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I'm completely lost in the story. Taks, avoid the story. When watching for Edgic, always look at an episode as a bunch of spliced together bits from a huge pile of raw camera footage. Edgic doesn't work on individual episodes. It's looking for patterns in the season, right? Edgic's about patterns. That's why it's so empowering to see Aras stay in the game after an episode that seems to have his doom guaranteed. And why it's so humbling, when boring Marcus gets the boot, and Kenny after that. Lol. The story is for the casual viewer (which I like to be on my first watch.)
taks		#3013	[-]
Posts: 89 (04/10/09 2:24 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Ah, I should have rephrased that statement as... "I'm completely lost in the edit." This episode didn't seem to mesh with the cohesive edit we've been getting until now. Coach had undeniably accurate statements, which were actually substantiated by the edit. He said he was going to center himself through meditation and where we'd usually get a scene of him going off in a rage against someone... he was centered! Brendan, who we've been led to believe is smart and aware (both his episode 1 and 6 comments on Coach show his game awareness), was utterly clueless that Taj/Stephen didn't seem to be on his wavelength. This isn't just doubt that the Exile Alliance won't make it; it changes Brendan's character. I'm not sure which narrators are reliable and which are unreliable. I'm not sure which strings the editors are trying to pull here - do they want us to like Coach this episode? Because if this was episode one, I surely would enjoy him as a character far more than I do now. However, we can't really discount an entire season of negative editing. But if that's the case, then why give Coach so much positive SPV this episode? This is why I'm completely and utterly lost in the edit. It is lucky that the edits I'm lost in aren't those of Stephen or JT. ETA: I'm actually not lost in the story at all. =) I'm a loser who spends his time thinking up creative and needlessly complicated speculative scenarios such as these. I loved this episode in terms of the strategic dynamics.
augustus713		#3014	[-]
Posts: 69 (04/10/09 2:29 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	taks wrote: I'm not sure which narrators are reliable and which are unreliable. I'm not sure which strings the editors are trying to pull here - do they want us to like Coach this episode? Because if this was episode one, I surely would enjoy him as a character far more than I do now. However, we can't really discount an entire season of negative editing. But if that's the case, then why give Coach so much positive SPV this episode? Because he aligned himself with JT and Stephen, and we're supposed to like JT and Stephen. The casual viewer will see JT and Stephen as making the right choice in aligning themselves with Coach because he had a good edit this episode. If he had the same old OTTN edit, we would think that it'll be a fatal mistake that JT and Stephen alligned with him since Coach has been consistently wrong about everything he's said up until now. Coach even had the positive SPV from Erinn to confirm his "likeable" personality this episode.
cindidindi76		#3015	[-]
Posts: 16903 (04/10/09 2:37 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	I LUV TIJUANA wrote: Oh, I am so saying Erinn is going to win out of spite now to piss off RVS. Erinn's edit is the best ever. Obvious winner. Yes, I think so. But does she just "scream Danni" to you?
9RedWing19		#3016	[-]
Posts: 2514 (04/10/09 3:01 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Oowatanite wrote: *Ratings* Tyson OTTN5 - Tyson was all over this episode, with mean-spirited OTT confessionals - it doesn't matter if Tyson was "playing to the cameras", he's still OTT. Is Coach not playing to the cameras ? From earlier seasons, what about Hatch ? And Jerri ? And RobM ? And Shane ? And Fairplay ? And Sugar ? Have to agree with my friend Oow here - I've found some of the rationale for Tyson as CP to be, at best, perplexing. IMO, his confessionals were classic OTT material (eg going on and on about letting Brendan kissing his neck). My wife, who is a casual fan, was snorting (and not in a good way) after he finished telling us how great he was (and I suspect that was a common reaction among the average viewers). That kind of arrogance gets its come-uppance in Survivor - it's white hat / black hat material - textbook OTT.
wallduck		#3017	[-]
Posts: 520 (04/10/09 3:04 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	Winners List: Point of order: we've seen the merge episode. If you want to play edgic, it's time to pick the winner--not submit yet another list of possibilities/probabilities.
augustus713		#3018	[-]
Posts: 70 (04/10/09 3:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	9RedWing19 wrote: Have to agree with my friend Oow here - I've found some of the rationale for Tyson as CP to be, at best, perplexing. IMO, his confessionals were classic OTT material (eg going on and on about letting Brendan kissing his neck). My wife, who is a casual fan, was snorting (and not in a good way) after he finished telling us how great he was (and I suspect that was a common reaction among the average viewers). That kind of arrogance gets its come-uppance in Survivor - it's white hat / black hat material - textbook OTT. You're right, I'm changing Tyson from CPN4 to OTTN4. However, I do not agree at all with the OTT ratings for Coach, I thought Coach was very CP this episode.
scepticA		#3019	[-]
Posts: 1555 (04/10/09 3:10 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	No, Wallduck! According to the Book of Craig, the merge episode is only half over! So we have til next week, right? Oh... Stephen. eta: I may have been the first to suggest that anyone like Tyson who actively tries to get an OTT shouldn't, because he's trying too frigging hard. That was a joke. Of course he was OTT. That neck thing was excrutiatingly OTT, like a "comedic" riff that the comic realizes halfway through isn't getting the expected chuckles so he drops his pants as well, that an OTT is clearly warranted, but not for the reason Tyson expected. How about this: He tried to be OTT by being over the top, but instead became gruesomely over the top by accident. Oh. Stephen Last Edited By: scepticA 04/10/09 3:14 PM. Edited 1 times.
fat little fingers		#3020	[-]
Posts: 6029 (04/10/09 3:13 PM) Registered User Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Connection Block Invite	wallduck, I appoint you Master at Arms. You get to the point so much more effectively than I do. Lol

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